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The Boys and Invincible aren’t deconstructions of Superman the character so much as they are deconstructions of how we see the Superman archetype. And his core Superman - Clark Kent - and his family are a story of immigrants, of choosing to be a good person and save people even with the knowledge you will never be truly accepted. The Boys is a deconstruction of how that archetype has been used for fearmongering and propaganda, and how deadly that can be - look at the comics from the 50s and 60s, the height of McCarthyism - of what Superman is used for, not who he is. Omni-Man is effectively, what would happen if General Zod came to Earth. It’s more a deconstruction of colonialism than anything, and it uses Superman - a character we have ingrained in us to trust - to try and lull us into the belief Omni-Man must be good, until we no longer can. Invincible is basically Chris Kent - a boy rejects his father’s imperialist ideals and chooses Earth and humanity. It puts Earth in the position of the colonized, not the colonizer.
#the boys#invincible#mark grayson#nolan grayson#omni man#anti omni man#anti homelander#homelander#superman#dc#clark kent#chris kent#general zod#meta#analysis
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homelander // wiseman by frank ocean
But strong man don’t exist
No undying man exists
Weak man don’t exist no
Just flesh and blood exists
#homelander#homelander fanvid#antony starr#the boys#the boys amazon#the boys tv#ryan butcher#vogelbaum#billy butcher#fanvid#my edit#video edit#angst#homelander meta
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Took the most relevant paragraph from this post
#Homelander in a container getting all his needs met (eventually) = recipe of fics I enjoy to read and write#bonus if the person this is demanded of hates HL’s guts (initially)#homelander meta#lol#homelander#the boys#the boys tv
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Have you ever thought about why Homelander loves milk so much? Because it doesn’t seem like an inherently sexual reason since he drinks it leisurely.
Part of me thinks he was only usually given milk in the lab and so it’s some kind of muted trauma response/comfort that can become sexual under specific circumstances. Maybe it’s just mommy issues or maybe the guy just really likes milk for no reason. Who knows?
boy have i EVER.
i believe the milk infatuation started with Madelyn and her pregnancy. obviously the underlying issues that caused him to fixate on it (and her) began in the lab, but i don't think this particular attachment started until after her death, which is when we actually start seeing him drinking milk. Madelyn's pregnancy is when their relationship became strained, and all of his jealousy over her having a child/dependent that isn't him set in.
Antony Starr described the milk drinking as a "broken man's attempt to connect with the woman he loves."
knowing that, it's interesting to take a look at WHEN we see Homelander drinking milk. it's always in moments when he's seeking comfort or assurance in some way, like drinking Madelyn's breast milk while grieving her death.
also, we see in this moment outside Becca's door how nervous he actually is to be there.
i don't think it's a coincidence that this is somewhere we see him drinking milk the most, both guzzling it from the jug and drinking it with each meal he shares with them. he's soothing himself because he's lowkey terrified of fucking up his relationship with his son. he's masking that constantly. imo, drinking milk is a relatively innocuous way to ground himself in all the ways Madelyn used to.
the only time we see him drinking milk in a sexual context is with Madelyn/Doppelganger, which makes sense, since the infatuation started with her, and he's using both Doppelganger and the milk as a means to cope with her death.
so while i don't think it's exclusively sexual, there is a sexual element at play because of the origin of it. Madelyn was both a sexual and maternal figure in his life. hugely formative to how he processes love and romance. so his romantic relationships with women will likely always have a complicated maternal undertone.
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I've been seing a post going around about how Aziraphale going back to Heaven is actually Very Smart and he's actually looking for a viable solution to end Armaggedon and save everyone, while Crowley is being selfish, dumb and reckless for only wanting to save Aziraphale and himself.
Here are my two scents.
Not to be mean, but these posts trying to explain away Aziraphale's decision as something good and clever are going to age very badly when season three comes out and it's revealed that one of the main issues is him being drunk with power...
No. I'm not joking.
If going to Heaven is the best choice and running away is a Bad Plan why did the people in charge of both Heaven and Hell, who are much more powerful than Crowley and Aziraphale, and probably have very intimate knowledge of what the Second Coming will be like decided to escape?
Aziraphale went back to Heaven because he's egocentric enough to think he can stop Armaggedon single handedly. Although, you know, the Archangel fucking Gabriel himself couldn't do it. He's not being smart. He went willingly because the Metatron appealed to his ego and made him feel important, powerful and capable for the very first time in his life.
Next season is going to be about Aziraphale and Crowley being in opposite sides, actually fighting each other for once. Aziraphale is probably going to be The Antagonist and I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on that.
Seriously, what do you think this malevolent little smile by the end is poiting at?
#aziraphale#crowley#aziracrow#anthony j crowley#a.z. fell#ineffable husbands#good omens#good omens meta#he's normally so cute but here he looks INSANE#not homelander related
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Well the comics did a good job squandering any sympathy and shiz for dicklander, and the show too. I only feel bad for his child self. His grown ass can get attacked by rabid kryptonian dogs for all I care.
i disagree.
and look, i ain't gonna tell you how to feel boo, i can't obviously. i can only spew out nonsense and hope i might reach you or someone else who comes along to read my long winded bullshit.
but while both renditions are pieces of shit, i feel so much for comics homie too if not more. he's even more whoobie than show homie but gets dismissed but i digress.
throughout the story, we're made to feel *suspicious* about the claims on homelander or that his story may have more than meets the eye. ennis presents it point blank. he doesn't tell the reader how to feel about homelander, or anything, or anyone. he makes it clear how billy feels, how other characters feel, but he also certainly makes it show that things aren't quite adding up about him and billy's claim. he presents the story and lets *you* the reader feel (which is what real *good* writing does)
BUT it's framed out in a way to make the reader realize he *wasn't* this big bad awful guy he was made out to be, a piece of shit sure, but and not the real monster they were after, that billy was fuckin' wrong (like his dumb ass always is), that his end and final point in the story was manipulated, coerced by outside force, and not truly justified as a result.
leik, this guy got his WHOLE LIFE fucking RUINED, his whole self image, gaslit into fucking oblivion to *believe* he was a bad guy until he *became* a bad guy, after literally never once getting a *choice* for anything, ever, at all, at any point in his whole gotdamn life.
this boi never had a chance... and even after ALL that. people STILL want to control or punish him when he lacks one major vital thing that would warrant him *actually* deserving that.
AGENCY. fucking agency, the answer is agency, homelander has none of it, never has, and still does not have it. (he pretends to but it's not quite the same, the lack of it is what makes him a ticking time bomb)
you seem like someone to really value your own agency so idk, i feel like you should get that??
BUT GOTDAMN LET THE BOI JUST FUCKING BREATHE AT LEAST ONCE PLEASE????
UGH
just try to imagine if every single choice in your life was made *for you* by *someone else*, and that's homelander. and it doesn't stop into adulthood, it just turns into a fucking fucked up conservatorship beside someone who wants to kill you, oh yeah, and stunted growth so you never get a chance to really grow up and feel like or be your own person either.
like i'm not kidding, he might as well be a child STILL in that regard and it is super fucked up how often people exploit and groom him that way. i don't care if he's fucking 16, 40, or in his 70s, the man *ain't* grown like he should be and *needs* the space to actually *grow* before we decide to fucking judge him, else we're no better than his abusers.
and when a kid commits a crime, it's the parents/guardians that are brought up on charges/trial. there is a *reason* for that.
homelander's very clear lack of sanity/mental capacity and vought being his 'guardian'/conservator?? (if he even is a real legal person...) would put him under this spectrum of bullshit, and baby i don't want to say it's ableist not to acknowledge this, but...
i mean if i'm being real, it kinda sorta is...?? wait... HOLD THE--- FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!! OH MY FUCKING SATAN--it IS!! and I JUST GOT WHIPLASH FROM WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE BOYS FANDOM WHEN IT COMES TO HOMELANDER.
this motherfucker is *CRIMINALLY INSANE*, emphasis on that last fucking part, in every sense of the word *CLINICALLY*. and when that happens, even the fucking laws in the fucked ol' U.S. of A. DO NOT 'punish' a mofo by regular 'incarceration', they still order institutionalization but with a HOSPITAL for TREATMENT. (granted there are a whole mess of other problems in this country that still do not handle this properly jesus fucking christ--)
ABLEISM! it's fucking ableism that doesn't let fandom recognize this!! EVEN some of the people who claim to love him!!
except THEN make it WORSE on top of everything *because* of the stunted growth and vought AND limited personal agency and... fuck me... UGGGGGGHHHHHHH--
but THAT is homelander. and uh... yeah. yeah, you'd probably lose your gotdamn mind too, i don't think ANYONE could walk out sane, realistically speaking. pain is easy to say we'd walk out clean from, and then we all turn into pussies the *second* it's our turn to deal.
and the whole point of the twist is to rob you of any satisfaction of his death and make you angry at his circumstances rather than at him. again, ennis doesn't explicitly *tell* readers how to feel because it's more of a graphic novel but...
i personally think the show is aiming to recreate this effect because if they can pull it off (and manage to make an entire population feel like utter ableist shitheads for wanting him dead), then they'll be pulling off some kinda magical MAJOR amazing heist of the feels for the ages that will *hopefuly* be enough to push society in some better directions than its current state (man, we really could not have asked for a better time for this series... holy shit--)
as much as it pains me, *this* was why he was killed in the comics. not just for... ugh, sadness, realism... but because it was *part* of the lesson in exemplifying what was actually wrong.
man i am just way too fucking hyper analytical with this shit and also sometimes SO SLOW i--
#homelander#the boys#the boys comics#the boys amazon#meta#character analysis#media literacy#ableism#fandom wank#well...#epiphany#and now i'm upset#i'm gonna suggest not pressing this subject further anon#at least for now#i need some time to be bitter and stew about the state of humanity#humanity
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Why does Homelander need a defence fund paid by his fans!!!?? Isnt he rich? Why cant Vought or Homelander pay for his own lawyer? Can somebody get me a goddamn accountant and payroll person to explain this to me?
Is Homie in a conservatorship and thus has no access to his finances? Was Madelyn/Edgar or Jonah in-charge and due to their sudden deaths/departure unable to assing Homelander a new one as they wont grant him independence or are they still collecting checks??
Gosh am starting to Headcannon he its going thru a Britney Spears situation.
Would buy unironically tho.
#homelander#homelander meta#personal#there also was the lottery to meet HL that paid for his fund too
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Stan Edgar's and Homelander's relationship: my two cents
Tl;dr: Stan Edgar's show-canon relationship with Homelander presumes (and loosely establishes) the relationship between comics Homelander and James Stillwell, including James' Stillwell's extreme confidence vis-à-vis Homelander, which explains a lot of Stan's more insane choices provoking Homelander, but I remain naively hopeful that the show also means to show us in the end that he has miscalculated.
Following up on this post trying to figure out what the hell Stan Edgar's end game is with Homelander, I just want to add a small point to what I think is an excellent discussion because I think you can't really answer the question of Stan's intentions via-à-vis Homelander without establishing what the show-canon relationship between the two is supposed to be (even if the execution is done badly). Personally, I think show canon tries to do one of two things: 1. take the canon relationship in the comics and twist it by having "James Stillwell"/Stan Edgar miscalculate or 2. take the canon relationship in the comics and keep "James Stillwell"/Stan Edgar as the mastermind. My guess (and hope) is that they are going for number 1, but who knows, maybe there's some secret third option.
Either way, what is clear is that the show is trying to replicate, in some form, the dynamic that exists between Homelander and James Stillwell in the comics. That's apparent when Stan Edgar tells Starlight that Homelander will stay in line as long as he is in charge, which is supposed to establish that Stan Edgar is 100% confident in his ability to manage Homelander no matter what.
(It is also hinted at from Homelander's perspective when they replicate the comics plot point that Homelander is confused by/scared of his blood pressure/heart rate/whatever other readings he gets, and when he wonders if Stan Edgar is the headpopper because he thinks he must be a very powerful supe due to his lack of fear.)
Seriously, I think the sentence above is central to understanding the relationship. BUT, interestingly, when he says "and we both know why", the viewer doesn't know why, and this is where the show could have really done a better job explaining it.
This is a problem with many of the points taken directly from the comics because they are casually imposed on the show without properly "translating" them to the new medium and the new storyline to actually make them significant to the show (instead of just mentioning them on the side). Another good example of this is Maeve's alcoholism. We see her drinking in S1E1 during a work meeting, then we don't see her drinking in meetings again though she still has occasional drinks, and in S3, she tells Butcher she's been sober for X months. But that's really all we see of it -- it never becomes a major point in her character arch and gets lost easily. So from a storytelling perspective, that's dissatisfying. Either weave the point properly into the character's arch, or leave it out entirely.
So anyway, back to the main point, which is that the show presumes the relationship from the comics and makes it visible here and there. I think they do a slightly better job with Homelander and his relationship with Stan "James Stillwell" Edgar than with Maeve's relationship with alcohol, but the point is still not translated very well. However, what we can take away from it is that for whatever Stan Edgar does, he always proceeds from the assumption that he has Homelander 100% under control, same as when James Stillwell tells an enraged Homelander, who has come to kill him, to do it already because he is bored out of his mind by his rant.
That is the level of confidence that should be assumed behind every single of Stan's actions that affect Homelander. My personal take is he takes some joy in humiliating Homelander and getting away with it, especially since this person he considers largely irrelevant to the company's bottom line has just given him a ton of extra work.
I did also consider the possibility that Stan is doing this strategically to show who the real boss is and bring Homelander back under his thumb, and I guess that's possible given that he has just had to deal with two Homelander contingencies in a row -- the supe terrorists and HL discovering Ryan. That would seem like a good time to reassess his prior assumptions about his control over HL. But I do think his confidence in his ability to manage HL is supposed to be taken as real and not just an act in S3, so my personal headcanon is that Stan is being petty. Homelander annoys him, so why only punish him once if he can do it -- cost free in his mind -- over and over again?
Anyway, my hope is that the show is going with having Stan Edgar miscalculating instead of masterminding. I don't want a "Stan as puppet master who saw every single one of Homelander's moves coming" storyline, but based on the way the scene between Homelander and Stan Edgar on 99 was done, miscalculation also seems more likely, because Stan does slam the glass down on the table as he leaves the room, which I'm guessing is meant to indicate that despite his blood pressure and calm demeanor, his blasé attitude was an act and he is waking up to the fact that, oops, he did miscalculate.
That doesn't answer all the questions, such as why choose Starlight over Maeve, but I mean, the answer to that one is pretty evident from a storytelling perspective: if you have a central heroine and a character who will leave the show at the end of the Season 3, which of of these two characters are you going to put at the center of a major conflict? Obviously the one who is your main heroine. Bringing in a new person mid-season just for this would be... a very questionable choice in any writer's room.
Anyway, I would also argue that in this case, it doesn't really do much harm to Stan's character building and story arch. It's totally in line with his own and Vought's overall ethics that they would discard a woman who, by industry standards, is old, and go for a fresh face, their rising star, a person Stan presumes to still be impressionable and malleable -- he knows how to work with people like that. Sure, she may not be as young as Vicky was when he got to her, but it's reasonable he would assume he could shape her more easily than Maeve, so I really don't see any plothole here.
Starlight's relationship with The Boys is irrelevant because Stan canonically does not see The Boys as a threat. He may not love Butcher, but he's good enough to form a temporary alliance with, and Stan certainly does not view him as a existential threat to himself or to Vought. That may be another miscalculation, but for the time being, given Butcher's hyperfocus on Homelander and his inability to see the big picture about Vought, it seems fair enough. Stan also doesn't believe that he's giving Starlight a whole lot of power with the new position. The co-captains are performing monkeys in his mind (just like Homelander himself has always been), so the risk, to him, is not much higher than having her join The Seven in the first place.
It certainly doesn't answer the question of why Stan put Stormfront in The Seven given what must be a very complex relationship between the two. Clearly, she's influential at the company, clearly, they work together (she does the high risk stuff for him so that he can maintain plausible deniability and distance himself from the ugliest parts of Vought's medical experiments), clearly, they do not like each other (unless there's something we don't know). But perhaps that's their deal: Stormfront does the ugly stuff for Stan, Stan gets her closer to her beloved Nazi-ideal-conforming potential son-in-spirit. Obviously, their exact relationship is never explained directly. It's either a plothole or a plotline that was left open because it will be closed later, or a plotline that was left open and will remain open because the way shows are written means not all loose ends are tied up in the end. Personally, I don't think we'll see this one resolved.
Anyway, best case scenario, the show will deliver as a twist on "James Stillwell" as someone who miscalculated on multiple fronts (mainly Homelander, possibly Butcher, but that's probably just my pipe dream lol) thanks to his overconfidence, and gets destroyed along with Vought as a consequence. Worst case scenario, this will all fizzle out and not be resolved properly as the show descends deeper into the contemporary American politics non-plotline.
#stan edgar#homelander#stan edgar's and homelander's relationship#the boys#the boys tv#the boys comics#james stillwell#the boys meta#homelander meta#stan edgar meta#I *don't* think the show is doing itself a favor by taking the comics relationship and then establishing it in the show but half-assing it#and coming from the asoiaf fandom I may be too focused on author intentions#but I do think it's relevant to understand what the show runners are trying to do and I'm reasonably confident that#they are trying to replicate the comics relationship when it comes to Stan's/James's confidence (and initially HL's fear)#and that needs to be taken into account
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Also consider this a chaser for a longer post I’m gonna do on how The Boys got better in the adaptation, but one thing I think was a really smart change is how the show is handling the prospect of supes in the military.
In the comic, The Supes are framed as Evil, but Incompetent. The fight over whether or not Vought is going to get Supes into the military was meant as a parallel to pork spending and the military Industrial complex run amok. Putting supes in the military was framed as bad, well, first because Vought is evil and shouldn’t get to make money, but on a practical level it’s treated as a silly idea. The supes are framed as fundamentally incompetent soldiers. They’re too brash, too used to getting their way, incredibly difficult to create in consistent numbers, even harder to standardize once you’ve created them due to radically different levels of durability, and fundamentally pretty easy to kill in a combat scenario if you go in prepared and keep your shit together. Until Homelander starts getting Coupy, the actual stakes of the fight are largely over whether Vought is going to get to ream the American Taxpayers with the superhuman equivalent of jets that don’t work and see no action. But the superhumans themselves are, fundamentally, a complete joke in terms of combat ability, and their actual attempt at full-scale rebellion is suppressed almost immediately by the conventional military.
And the issue is that this sort of created an “enemy-is-both-weak-and-strong” dynamic, where the story hates superheroes so goddamn much that they get simultaneously framed as both this incredibly corrosive societal cancer AND a bunch of complete morons who can get wiped out in an afternoon by a small detatchment of well-trained, well-equipped soldiers. The actual stakes are.... kinda all over the place, as a result.
In the show, The Supes are allowed to be both Evil AND competent. Homelander is actually smart instead of just mean and powerful, and It’s pretty clear that supes would be effective in the military, applied judiciously; Black Noir, Soldier Boy and even Homelander to an extent actually are capable of carrying out incredibly violent surgical strikes against whoever the hell they want. So instead, the threat is very clearly reframed as the military potentially having access to combat-viable superhumans who are capable of carrying out incredibly violent surgical strikes against whoever the hell they want. That gets to be a bad thing on its own merits instead of being bad because it’s a waste of money! And, furthermore, it’s also as if specific special-forces agents and black-ops murderers were given the same kind of inviolable, insufferable PR shielding that real world celebrities get for their bad behavior, except the “bad behavior” is, you know, the imperialist slaughter of hundreds or thousands! (In addition to, and not as a replacement for, regular celebrity bullshit!)
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when aot was just abt to end, there were leaks ofc as there always are lol abt eren not really achieving any of his plans. and so much of the aot fandom, who have never lived through war, were genuinely upset over this. eren literally commits global genocide, he and his plan doesn’t deserve to achieve anything. especially not anything that would benefit him.
eren wasn’t one of my favorites until season 4 because of how utterly fucked up he is. he was a tragic MC who started off as a hero and as the story progressed, became a monster. even though we know what leads to his corruption, genocide is still wrong actually and having a characters worst fear come to life due to their own actions is the sort of tragic irony isayama loves. we’ve already seen isayama do this with reiner, zeke and grisha. it’s satisfying yet devastating at the same time how harsh the story is on them.
and the story should’ve been a lot more harsher to eren instead of the positive reaffirmation he got in 139 and from most of the fandom. eren claims the rumbling was for paradis, like thst shit didn’t kill off most of paradis’ population, and than he claims that it was for his friends (like pieck, who he has never even had a conversation with) but than he admits it was for himself - and it wasn’t satisfying at all because isayama wanted us to feel bad for eren and it worked. never mind the fact that eren killed his own mom, that he manipulated his own father for taking the FT for his own gain, that he annihilated 80% of the world - he did it for his friends 😊 so it’s okay! friendship >>>> genocide 😝
aot taking a very strong stance against eren’s actions and plan, denouncing them as wrong (bc they are) and showing them that nothing good comes out of them is wayyyyyy better the woobification and the mini redemption arc we got from him in the last chapter.
this is why i hate it when aot fans talk abt aot like it’s the greatest anti-war anime ever made. i think majority of aot fans are westerners or come from developed countries. it’s easier to understand war when ur watching cartoons of it instead of actually living through it. a huge part of the fandom justifies eren’s genocide, even with characters explicitly condemning him. do you really think it’s clear with its anti-war message when all we got was a few sad faces and a huge thank you from the main cast? one of the main themes in aot is the moral grayness of the world. the warriors did what they did because they were child soldiers trying to protect their families, EMA would’ve done the same. the scouts raided liberio (and were heavily against it). and masses of innocent people died in the name of other groups interests. there were literally no winners in this at all.
but why have characters that should’ve narratively and thematically been against eren suddenly forgive and praise him?
why break all the characterization, break all those different point of views, for the warriors specifically, if not for the final woobification of eren?
eren could’ve had one of the most extraordinary corruption arcs in all of anime just for that to be ruined and i will forever be mad abt it
#ending defenders dni#we are not gonna argue abt this if you see this just look away 😭#if you haven’t actually lived through war#if you haven’t actually had to see people dying due to war#if you haven’t had to go through the humiliation of being a refugee#than you have no reason to defend this atrocious piece of anti war media#anti-war media made by those from countries of imperial power are always really bad#idk i just hate when westerners talk abt war#over the past few weeks#my homeland has been routinely bombed and attacked#and while i try to ignore this deep seated feeling of anguish inside of me#i go onto tumblr#and i see bitches woobifying a fictional white man for the genocide he commits#and seeing pple praise aot as an anti-war piece of media is what prompted this post#being a refugee in this country is so funny lol#also my homeland is one of the countries that has the most child soldiers in the world#which is why i think i relate more to the warriors than anything#aot could’ve been so great if it was written by me#attack on titan critical#attack on titan meta#eren jaeger critical#eren critical#eren jeager meta#eren x reader#eren jeager x reader#aot spoilers#aot isn’t a good anti-war analysis because isayama isn’t a devoted anti imperialist#if ur naming characters after nazis and imperial japanese war ships#i don’t expect u to even be anti-war i expect u to be a bigot#i can’t believe people just swept isayama’s worrying obsession with ww2 under the ruh
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hey !! hope all is well, iyo how would homelander feel if he found out that his s/o or someone he takes interest in has similar issues to him as in mommy issues? not exactly like him, he didn’t have a mom but more like they have a strained relationship w their mom
Hmmm I think his feelings on it would be mixed for sure. I also think it would heavily depend on if this was pre or post Soldier Boy. As we see in the show, despite getting his ass kicked by SB, he was still entirely willing to connect with him once he found out SB was his father. So if his s/o had a parent but the relationship was strained, I think at first he would feel confused as to why they would need distance or feel that resentment. Like you said, he’d think there was a big difference between having no parents at all and just not having a relationship. So it would take a lot of explaining as to why the situation is complicated. It doesn’t mean he wouldn’t eventually understand, but I think his kneejerk reaction wouldn’t be the most supportive.
However, I believe that once he sees how much his s/o is hurt by their relationship with their mother, he would become very protective. He would really thrive on being able to provide that support that they need from family. I think it would also help him process some of his own feelings. Homelander is naturally very self-centered so he’d see helping them as an extension of supporting himself. Especially once he notices the parallels between their relationship with their parent and how he feels towards people he viewed as parental figures who let him down.
Now if this was post SB, I think it would be much easier for him to initially sympathize and again, would use comforting them as a way of working through his own trauma regarding the situation.
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so john allegedly became homelander when he was only 16 hhh gonna end my life
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homelander // how quickly the blade becomes You.
#homelander#the boys#the boys amazon#the boys tv#words#comparatives#parallels#antony starr#ryan butcher#my edit#the boys homelander#homelander meta#madelyn stillwell#homewell
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Homelander fans who think the show is moving towards depicting him having DID (see poll): are we just talking about having different facets of personality (inner child persona vs external messaging he’s been getting from his faux parents or a self talk coping mechanism) which can be dramatized with a conversation in the mirror?
Or are we talking about actual dissociation, like Norman-Bates-type ‘one alter doesn’t know what crimes the other one is doing while they take over’?
Because if it’s the latter, kind of dreading that Kripke et al have avoided “the Black Noir clone was the one who raped Becca and ate babies” plot point only to start going down the “it was the bad Homelander who raped Becca, not John”. Because beyond the story problems with that, it starts begging the question did Homelander down the mayor of Baltimore’s plane and not John, flight 37, killing Madelyn, killing(maiming?) Blindspot, dating SF, killing supersonic… that all feels like an icky and frankly weird copout to me…
With the season 4 spoilers about another major character having his own Tyler Durden, and how much the Gen V writers like Unreality and Manifested Inner World, I have to say I can see them going further into DID land, and I feel like it could be really bad. Like maybe drop-the-show-before-s5 bad. 😕 But maybe I’m the only one who feels this way lol.
#homelander#homelander meta#dissociative identity disorder in media#the boys s4#the boys#the boys tv#😕
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i just saw a meme that said when a man raises their voice at you to say “oh buddy, big feelings!” and it made me wonder how HL would react to hearing that mid argument from his partner lol
LMAO frankly this is exactly the energy he deserves. he'd be AGHAST. you'd be able to see him buffering in real time.
tho while an approach this direct would absolutely result in a tantrum from him (he's very aware of when people are being condescending), i talk a lot about gentle parenting homelander bc i do believe it would work. a more sly approach of acknowledging his feelings would go a long way.
so much of his trauma is repression. he's constantly told to bottle up his every human emotion to be this perfect symbol. to the point where his inner protector—his trauma response— upholds this goal above all else. to be "pure," uninhibited by painful emotions. safe from them.
getting homelander to actually acknowledge and work through the things he's feeling instead of just shoving them down into a cardboard box with a blue blanket in the back of his mind would be a major step in helping him heal
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Ok, so I'm re-watching the Boys and Homelander's relationship with Madelyn is so creepy. Like, yeah, I remembered it to be very sexual, but I guess I kinda blocked how disturbing the whole thing was.
Like, don't get me wrong, Homelander's fixation with her and the stalking was weird enough, but the way she talks and interacts with him is so off-putting too. The grooming vibes are so strong, I hate it.
#homelander#madelyn stillwell#the boys#homelander meta#the boys re-watch#the fact that his emotional age is like 13 years old at best is so much more obvious when he's around her
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