Vio and I were talking about this on Discord yesterday but man I do not blame Mudclaw and WindClan overall for being sick of ThunderClan holding Firestar's heroism over WindClan's heads. Like yes, Tallstar does have a point in wanting to keep relationships good (clan xenophobia is exhausting to read about at this point) but there's also a point here about giving land to someone over herbs. (set up an actual trading system) The giving tree comes to mind where ThunderClan can dangle their good deeds over WindClan and take and take and take and take at WindClan's expense until there's not much left to give.

Maybe it's just that I've been in this specific situation where my gratitude was taken for granted and held over me but like. I get wanting to get out of that. And especially given what Onestar goes through, I don't blame him for shifting his beliefs to align more with Mudclaw's anyways cause he was STILL getting exploited.