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flower-boi16 · 3 months

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Helluva Boss: A Show For "Mature" Audiences That Isn't Very Mature

Something that's very funny to me is how Helluva Boss is an adult show, meaning that its supposed to be mature, and more mature than a kids show. However, the show really isn't that mature when you really think about it; sure, it's supposed to be viewed for mature audiences, and It by no means is for kids at all but...HB is really just the superficial version of mature. The show constantly crams in gore, swears and sex jokes all the damn time as a way to just appear edgy. It's not mature as in "it has mature and deep messages and themes" its the superficial version of mature, the type of mature that's just "let's shove in a bunch of swears and sex jokes into this show so people can KNOW its for adults!".

The show feels like its trying so damn hard to be edgy and crams swears and sex jokes into its dialogue because its an "adult" show. 70% of the dialogue in this show is awful because of the amount times it feels the need to shove in swears and sex jokes into every single line the characters say. It feels like the show is just..trying to be edgy with no substance to it. The only really mature theme HB has is Stolas's sexual desires for Blitz...but now its just completely dropped as Stolitz is suppoused to be seen as a healthy reletionship for some reason.

A majority of the villains are very one-dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villains too. HB feels like a show that's just overly obsessed with being edgy so it can come across as "mature". And while you can technically say that HB is mature as the show isn't exactly for kids and is aimed towards adults, again, its only the superficial version of mature, the show isn't really that mature in terms of its actual writing.

But here's the REAL kicker here; the shows I primarily enjoy watching are kids shows on Disney Channel, and...well, lets take a look at the themes and messages of these shows aimed towards kids that I've seen, shall we?

Gravity Falls: Tells a story about growing up, and how, while growing up may seem hard, you don't have to grow up alone, and that even when you grow up, that doesn't mean you have to let go

Amphibia: Tells a story about three girls who are all heavily flawed people in a toxic friendship. Ends with a message about change and how while it may be hard, sometimes; things change, and you need to accept that.

The Owl House: Tells a story about a girl who was ostracized for her whole life who was able to make real connections with others and find a place where she truely belongs.

Ducktales: Has an old man rediscover the value of family after pushing away his loved ones after losing his niece

Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur: Has an episode where the main message is that you should stand up for your community, and how you can make your voice be heard no matter what.

The Ghost and Molly Mcgee (SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE): Final episode has a beautiful and mature message about how you should spend your life to the fullest, take risks and not be afraid or play it safe, and has a character go and spend his life to the fullest when he becomes human again

These "kids shows" have more mature and thoughtful messages and themes as well as better writing than this "adult" show. Helluva Boss has me groaning and getting frustrated at all the bad writing and wasted potential in its second season. Meanwhile, Amphibia's second season almost gets me to cry not once, but twice. These shows have more compelling and nuanced characters than HB, they don't constantly try to coddle them and absolve them of their mistakes, rather for some of them, they make the characters actually grow as people, something HB has NOT done at all.

Helluva Boss is an adult show, yet these kids' shows not only have more nuanced characters than it, but they are also unironically more mature than HB despite being shows targeted towards a younger audience. Its extremely funny to me how Viv said that HB is "Bojack Horseman with demons" when HB is less mature than kids' shows that aired on the Disney Channel.

Helluva Boss isn't a mature show, it's just an overly edgy one.

#helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #hazbin hotel critical #vivziepop critical

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idkwidatp · 3 months

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Hi welcome to a rant about gravity falls and also kinda the owl House

As an actual theory I don't like the idea of King being the reincarnation of bill however as an au of sorts I love it but as an actual theory there are some holes and also a theory that makes more sense that I like more, King isn't similar enough to bill to me at least for him to be a reincarnation of him. Also I like the theory that Bill is alive in Stan's mind much better because if the way that they got rid of bill was through getting him in Stan's mind and erasing stans memory and they got Stan's memories restored then wouldn't tha mean that Bill is also back also what does king have to do with an axolotl? Nothing that's what. I like matpats theory that Bill and Stan have been connected for a very long time also I'm not saying that TOH and gf don't take place in the same cannon, Stan married a woman named marylin that stole his car and "had one oddly sharp tooth." Now doesn't that sound like a certain owl lady or what? Also ric and Morty takes place in same cannon amphibia takes place in the same cannon as both gf and TOH so therefore amphibia and toh take place in the same cannon as Rick and Morty. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if otgw and gf take place in the same cannon (and I headcannon that they do) so on top of that otgw would also take place in the same cannon as amphibia and toh and Rick and Morty

#i love bill and king so very much #ive only actually seen otgw gf and toh and i haven't seen all of toh #i have not seen rick and morty #and i stopped watching amphibia like half way through #otgw #lorna over the garden wall #gf #gravity falls #toh #the owl House

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icanttypo · 1 year

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Would anyone be interested in an Owl House Fangame RPG? (Spoilers for finale insuing)

I'm considering turning my old fanfic plots into a playable fangame, but I wanna make sure that's something that people would actually, yknow, play. So, here's my ideas!

1. Season 4 "The Game"

This would primarily be a game focused on wrapping up some unfinished storylines/rebuilding the Isles. I believe one of the main bosses would likely be the Titan Trappers since they were puppetted in WAD.

I think this would be the closest to a traditional rpg game, but I'm leaning more towards an unconventional combat style considering the way magic works in TOH. Regardless, combat wouldn't be a primary focus of the game. It'd be more exploration based and decision based, fleshing out the other areas of The Boiling Isles and all that jazz.

Possibly, the final boss may be the other archivists? I think in this one, by the end, you'll have the Collector in your party.

2. Side Stories

This would be more so a collection of routes trying to tell the stories that, sadly, The Owl House team never got the time to tell. These likely wouldn't actually be RPG games, but they're RPG maker, but I'm not sure how many of them there'd be, but I do have a few ideas for various routes, like:

-Wittebros Backstory (You play as Caleb, and it covers bits and pieces over the years up until... Well, you know the rest.)

-Hunter, Dale, and The Bat Queen (Focuses on two different interconnected plots. One is a story about The Golden Guard being tasked to find the last known Palistrom forest, only for those plans to get detailed by one sweet old man. Yadda yadda, learning ensues. And, the other is a story focused on Hunter going into the Palistrom forest with a few friends to start on some conservation efforts, facing his past, and him getting a new job.)

-Divorce Simulator (I think you know what this one's about :) )

-Vee (Have no idea what this one would be about, other than a game adaption of that MorningMark concept of Cabin ???- or one focusing on just her adapting to the human realm.)

3. TOH/GF/Amphibia Crossover

Okay, so I know probably nobody will vote for this one, but it's one that I have too many ideas for!

Basically, it's just going off the idea that after The Collector got that gross green stuff on him, from Belos, he was affected by Titian magic; screwing up his magic a little and making him semi-immortal rather than fully immortal. The Collector says they're going off to "grow up," but really, their main goal is to just find their siblings and find out what's going on with them.

This leads the little guy to the last known whereabouts of one of his siblings, Gravity Falls. Again, the dude's magic is kind of iffy, and he ends up crashlanding near the Mystery Shack and gets taken in by the new Mr. And Mrs. Mystery... Who... Somehow, are way more connected to Luz than he thought.

This is the closest thing to an RPG out of all of them because the main focus of the game is basically trying to stop the multiverse from splitting entirely. It'd be the casts from both TOH and GF; with a healthy addition of amphibia references.

In this universe, all of the archivists are just God's from other Disney Channel cartoons. And yeah. Told ya I had a lot of ideas!

Btw if anyone would be down to help either with writing, art, or music- please dm me! I can totally do it on my own, but I thought it might be nice to put it out there.

#the owl house #toh finale #the owl house fangame #toh au #toh collector #wittebros #gravity falls #toh season three #rpg maker #the collector #do people even make fangames for tv shows #Oh well #I guess i do now lmao

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roughtimeminicomics · 1 year

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The Happy, The Gay, and the Terrifying (A Cartoon Universe Crossover AU)

List of Universes Involved:

The Owl House

Amphibia

Gravity Falls

Transformers: Prime

Steven Universe

Phineas and Ferb

Undertale

FNaF

BatIM/DR

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The Happy, The Gay, and The Terrifying is a universe that combines the universes shown above into a single and (hopefully) cohesive universe. Storywise, this is an epilogue that would explore all of these universe meeting somehow, with various interactions and REactions to specific news and revelations. (ALSO this is a mainly POSITIVE AU, so Vanessa aint Vanny no more.)

So the Monsters are now on the Surface, the Human/Demon Realm exchange program is well underway, Steven Universe has been traveling, Dipper and Mabel Pines are exploring, Phineas and Ferb are at their respective colleges, Gregory has been adopted by Vanessa with Glamrock Freddy as some sort of companion, Jack is also at college alongside Miko and Raf, and Audrey is out in the open, still young and fresh. And well the Amphibia girls are all doing their respective interests.

So with the setting set (kinda), what kinda facts are needed to be known?

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Phineas, Jack, Miko, and Raf all go to the same college, where Audrey teaches as an art professor.

By this time, Gregory is in his teens and in high school, near the college. He has taken an interest in engineering and mechanics.

The Monsters are known to exist, but face scrutiny, similar to the Witches. But the college and high school are open facilities, so the witches and monsters who live nearby can go and learn relatively normally.

Ann actually takes a side gig as a biology professor at the college.

Steven travels the country and has taken up temporary residency in the area of the college.

The college is named New Cipher Academy. No, there is no Bill Cypher in this universe… but someone may be trying to do something about that.

Frisk is living with Toriel and Asgore, who get back together… even though that was a rocky road.

Sasha works as the school counselor at the high school.

The Ink Realm is still active, but due to the magic seeping from the Demon Realm and the nearby unleashed magic from the Underground has caused the loop to cease to exist.

The main threats of this universe are as follows: The Coven Cove (Witches from the Demon Realm that want to restore the Coven patriarchy), The Cipher Cult (Worshipers of Bill Cipher wanting to revive their “god”), Rouge Decepticons (Decepticons that didn’t follow the treaty (such as Steeljaw and Thunderhoof)), And finally Burntrap and the Glitchtrap Virus (Stuck in the ruins of the Pizzaplex).

Bendy has become a bit more adult-like, taking on a more grown up form. They work with Audrey grading papers and helping manage the Ink Realm. Oh, and they can speak fluid English AND Spanish!

Luz and Frisk DO meet up, since Frisk decides to join in on the Human/Demon Realm Exchange Program.

Sans works as a science teacher at the high school and runs the Science Fiction Club.

The Autobots still work on Earth, though there are only a few: Ratchet, Knockout, Bumblebee, and Strongarm.

The Crystal Gems stick to the island, but Garnet and Pearl commonly visit Steven and sometimes join in on the travels.

Frisk, Audrey, Luz, Steven, and Dipper all are more connected to the magic of their world.

Stanley and Stanford Pines both had set up shop in the town near the college, Stanley basically being Stanely while Stanford researches the magic upcharge he has discovered.

Also, Unicron ISN’T Earth, at least, not anymore.

There’ll probably be more but I just wanted to get some notes up before I began writing some stories or something.

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originalwinnercheesecake · 2 years

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King Clawthorne, his possible Ansestery. I have connected the Dots

So it has been almost two weeks since Edge Of The World, and in about 30 hours a new episode will come that may prove me completely wrong.... or be irrelevant, or even right.But I have been sitting on some thoughts about King since Edge of the world and now I finally have the time to post them.

King is a baby TItan! Way back at the shows beginning people threw around “what if King is the titan?” as a crack pot theory, and now its true! Alright now lets get into what this means for his story, and no I am not talking about him possibly freeing the collector (not his fault) or how he could use some of his blood to send Luz home (wouldn’t take all that much, a tiny stain of century old stale blood on the single finger of a glove got her almost the whole way). No I am talking about King’s story. For all of season 2, ever since he remembered hearing his father’s voice call him Son when he was still in his egg he has wanted to see him again... Now some people are theorizing that King’s dad was the titan that the characters live on... But as time went on more people have been saying that with how old that particular titan’s remains are it is more likely that they are a distant grand parent than King’s dad. In Eda’s Requiem we all see Tarak for the first time and we all believed he was King’s family (not necissarly his dad but maybe an uncle or older brother) Tarak’s actions for the rest of 2a supported this. But in Edge of the world we learn Tarak’s people “the titan trappers” have, under the collector, who Belos is also in league with, hunted King’s people almost to extinction.

The “oldest and wisest” Titan Trapper Bill (the name Bill will never again be a good guy in cartoons) told Luz that there was one titan left and he had seen it. The flag for the hunt showed an egg like Kings (given the size of their helmets babies are probably who the trappers primarily hunted) But he talks about the last Titan roaring at him and running, and vanishing. I believe that was Kings father. He managed to lead the trappers away from his nest, but couldn’t come back... at least not until King had already hatched. More on that later.

Now I want to stop and praise The Owl house for one thing it has done better than any cartoon I have seen in a long time. Better than SU, SVTFOE, Amphibia, even better than Gravity Falls. Connect its separate characters and plots together. The portal between the two realm is in an abandoned house on Luz’s street because she lives in the same town the Wittebane brothers lived in. Given how far apart houses were and how much land people owned back then she might have grown up on their old property. We have seen hints that Wittebro married a witch who given Dell and Eda’s resemblance was most likely a Clawthorne, So Belos, Hunter, and the Clawthorne sisters are all distantly related to each other. Darius is a rebel because of inspiration he gt from a past grimwalker clone of wittebro/hunters old life. Darius and Amity’s parents (top underground arms dealers) had a friendship in the past and tweets hint that he could still persuade her father to support the rebel side. Belos pretends to talk to the titan, but is actually talking to the collector who is also the god for the titan trappers. And King apposing Belos directly calls him out as a liar. Everybody fits and connects together... So far everybody except for one very important character (not Hooty)...

The owl beast. I theorize that the owl beast is King’s father. We saw in Knock Knock Knocking on Hooty’s Door that rather than being a mere curse the owl beast is actually a sentient creature that once roamed the boiling sea before being sealed away, and that when Lilith attempted to curse Eda she unknowingly combined her sister and the owl beast Naruto style. After careful analysis of the owl beast I have determined that it can only be a titan, and even found proof that it at lest knew of King. Walk with me

FIrst off when the owl beast was a free ranged creature it was caught and sealed away by the collector. The same collector who had issues with the titans and started a cult to collect them. The collector also dropped it in the sea sinstead of trying to keep it... The same sea they store titan carcasses in.

Secondly lets remeber what Bill said about Identifying Titans: They are always hungry, act like monarchs, and say Weh.

Also in Knock Kncok Knocking on Hooty’s Door we see Eda offer the small version of he owl beast a little bit of potion and it eats. The potions are not antibodies that render it to weak to posses her. They are food. The owl beast acts up when hungered and then calms down and sleeps once food offerings have been made.

Secondly they act like monarchs. Now at first this one stumped me because we haven’t seen enough of the owl beast to know if it acts like a monarch. It can be territorial, and flat out refused to change Eda back into a harpy when she tried to boss it into doing so, but nothing about it acting like a monarch. Then i realized that I did not need to look at just the owl beast, and could also look at Eda.

Eda’s first time rejecting and opposing the Emperor happens at her witches dual right before the “curse” takes effect; when she throws the match and declares she will never join a coven. Now it says she was mostly joining for Lilith, and obviously wouldn’t want to fight her for the position. But she kinda goes against her character here too. Lilith is Kid Eda’s only friend, and she is kinda over attached to her. She starts bawling as a kid when she trips, but stops when Lilith runs back to her, showing that it wasn’t so much hat her cut hurt, but that Lilith was getting away. When Eda starts school she joins the potion track that Lilith is already in, and joins the school grudgby team that Lilith is captain of. IN “thems the breaks kids” she tells Raine that she only stays at hexside is to go to school with Lilith. She drops out once Lilith leaves... her dropping out is played like a sudden reveal, like something she just decided. Also not only will she not be trying out for the Emperors coven today that she never will, then she turns to Lilith and does something truly out of character she tells her sister “good bye and asks her to just remember her in the future.”

Being who Eda is she never would have fought Lilith then... But given her attachment to her its out of character for her to close the door entirely on them being in he EC together. t would make more sense for her to say “Take Lilith now, put me on the waiting list for the next opening. I will see you soon sis”. But she didn’t and every time Lilith tried to telling her about an opening, all the supposed benefits, and how it could be like when they were kids again (something Eda is revealed in season to still badly want) Eda always said no, said she refused to follow someone elses direction... event though she was more a follower as a kid, because something inside her did not want to listen to orders anymore, particularly from the “Emperor”. Somethig urged her away from it all.

Lastly Bill said that titans go Weh. I listened to the owl beasts screams and it sounds a little like Weh. Not exact, but about as close, more animalistic than just weh, but about as close as a person saying “tweet’ or “chirp” sounds like an actual bird. t didn’t sound anything like King, but you have to remember that King’s voice is still that of a little kids. It’s just beginning to change. The owl beast is older and makes thicker more raspy sounds, like an adults voice.

IF that is not a enough for you lets bring up the new theory about how the Owl beast has been shown to at times give Eda an advantage against Belos’s gones and has gotten rid of coven members sigils. I do not think we ever say Lilith’s wrists in season 1 , but we do in season after she split the curse with Eda and she oddly enough doesn’t have one despite being in the emperors coven for 30 years. Darius and Eberwolf do not seem to have hem either, and while the artisits haven’t exactly been careful about remembering to draw sigils each time they should the more fun theory is that Darius and Eberwolfs burned off during this

which wold work for the story, because then they could broadcast Eda and Raine playing together over the isles and save everyone from their sigils. This would also prove without a doubt that this powerful being is a cure for Beos’s corruption and pain. A being as powerful and godlike as the Titans.

All of this proves that the Owl beast is a titan, but not that it is King’s father. There could be other titans. After all the owl best doesn’t look much like King. TO which I say its basically already cannon that titans, particularly this one, can change forums and Kings powers aren't fully developed yet. But I have proof for that too.

First its been a few years since i watched 1x10 (which FYI is my least favorite episode of the owl house, it is so boring) but if I remember when Eda transforms into the Owl beast around just King it doesn’t try to hurt him. It walks around, interacts with him in a way he decides he can control it, then goes with him to the park to settle a dispute with a kid who wouldn’t let King on the slide. Parenting kinda

Secondly, and much more impressive, King’s Island is ancient and almost impossible to find unless you are or are with a titan, and Eda was by herself “looking for a place to hide from the coven scouts” when she found King. lets think about that for a second. Belos’s scouts are only on the bones burrow titan, Eda has many many hiding places in the night market or woods close by her house, and instead she just so happened to go to a uncharted island several hours flight away from all that looking for a hiding place from people she left in the dust. Then she went home immediately after finding King. No The owl beast is King’s father. He realized his son had recently hatched and would be at a stage where John Luke couldn’t keep him shut up in the castle anymore, so he took Eda to go get King.

My last reason for thinking this. It means King has been with his dad and mom the whole time, and that if he plays catch with Eda in her harpy form he is playing with both his parents together. I want this for him

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rainbowquartz2-0 · 10 months

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hi so earlier (a couple days ago) i made a edit to the song there right there from legally blonde the musical. If you haven’t seen it, it was everyone in steven universe calling steven gay and at the end hunter from the owl house comes out and has that he is gay (omnisexual) and that hunter is his boyfriend and in the caption i would explain the au and how they met so here we go.

Steven after Steven universe future when he is about 16 3/4 he leaves for the road. for the next 3 months on the road before his 17th birthday he travels around to different states seeing a bunch of bands and concerts making new friends and while that was happening the thing Steven was scared of happening was happening but it was surprising fine and it didn’t really stress steven out as much as he thought it would. Connie and Steven were growing apart from each other. Nothing bad happened between them it just started getting really awkward after the proposal and just rude distant overtime. Steven realize that the reason why him and Connie was so close was because they were the only person they had for each other for friends and now Steven has a stable friend group. He’s much closer to Lars and even looks up to him more as a brother figure. Lars is aware of his mental health issues and has become a really good support system for Steven. He still doesn’t have a good relationship with his mother, or the way that he looks at her but his therapist does want to work on that and will in the future and kind of brought some light in of some of the issues she might’ve been going through.

For Steven’s 17th birthday he decides to instead of going back to beach city. He’s going to visit the diamonds he hasn’t seen them since his corruption, but has stayed in contacted. Lars and the off color met Steven at the castle to also celebrate his birthday. Lars brought some really cool comics and a lot of cool action figures and the off-color, all made him handmade cards. Spinel Yellow and blue made him beautiful watercolor paintings for him but White had the biggest present of all. it was a secret that no other diamond knew. The portal of bridges. Very few people or entities in any alternate universe or any other universe has this power. To name a few Bill cipher, White diamond, Steven, The collector, Anne from amphibia but only when she passes away, and turns into like the carer of the galaxy to name a few.

What is the portal of bridges? so whenever a alternate universe, or separate universe with earth in it, or some kind of earth, has a reference to a other separate universe with a Earth, or some kind of earth, a bridge the more the reference and the more the connection, the stronger and more powerful the bridge gets, but that doesn’t mean anyone can access that only people who are able to control the bridges and be able to I guess break time and space to go to the separate universes with the separate earths. For some example amphibia and the owl house has not the strongest bridge, but a bridge is still there, and some of the most strongest collectors can use them but not the main one we seen a series. Steven universe and star wars/star trek (in Stevens room their were posters) that one is also pretty weak because it’s not very substantial in Steven universe but I wan, which is way more powerful is the gravity falls, and the owl house. Let me explain why the owl house was cut really short, and it is believed that if it didn’t get cut short that we would have a bill cipher arc of bill, cipher helping Belos create the portal. because he is known as the strongest entity in multiple universes, or multiple different earths that bridge is the strongest because he is able to control that because he has the most power.

White diamond shows him this, knowing after his corrupted form that he is definitely powerful enough to control these bridges. this is not an easy task and actually he decided for a couple months to stay with the diamonds for white diamond to teach him how to control this power, and how to learn and it takes months for him to even be able to create a stable enough bridge for him to pass into a different universe.

Steven was about 17 3/4 when he was finally able to create a stable enough bridge to pass on to a different earth/universe. Which one was easy enough the owl house. he comes along the timeline, which is before the time skip in the last episode, but after they defeat Belos. Steven helps a bunch of rebuilding the city and even helping create a more stable government. he bonds really closely with Hunter, mostly because they share the memories of being only known as a clone, or in the shadow of someone from the past.. (for steven it was rose and for hunter it was caleb) Hunter was 18 and Steven was 17 3/4 when they met. When Steven was about 18 1/2 they started dating and during that time he didn’t stay in that room, but they definitely kept in contact us such Hunter cannot travel through those bridges because he does not have that power even though he has the power of flapjack, he doesn’t have enough powers he’s not that strong. White diamond frequently is in contact with Bill cipher so she has technology which can span across multiple different earths/universes. He’s also very close to other characters such as Eda, camila (he never had a really stable mother figure in his life because pearl was always in the mourning and when he found out about the fusion with Garnet, it got a little chaotic) vee, luz and gus. he does decide in the future for a couple years to actually move there to be closer to his newfound friends and boyfriend. and that’s really it repost if want more!!

#steven universe #the owl house #toh #steven universe au #the owl house au

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