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my-heads-gonna-explode · 10 months
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The moment I hear someone accuse a disabled person of faking it, I lose all respect I previously had for them. I have absolutely zero tolerance for fakeclaimers.
People have passed out on buses after being denied seats, because people thought they were faking it. People in excruciating pain have been turned away from hospitals, because people thought they were faking it. People have been publicly shamed both online and in person for their disabilities, because people thought they were faking it. People have lost their jobs after being denied accomodations, because people thought they were faking it. And I'm partially talking from my own personal experiences. I've been yelled at for having meltdowns at school after being told I wasn't allowed to wear ear plugs, because people thought I was faking it. These aren't hypothetical situations. Lots and lots of real disabled people have suffered for the entertainment of fakeclaimers.
The harm from fakeclaiming real disabled people is much, much worse than the harm from taking the few fakers there are seriously. I would rather help a hundred disabled people when one person among them is actually faking it than fakeclaim a hundred fakers when one person among them is actually disabled.
Yes, there are people who fake disabilities, and yes, that's awful and harmful. But accusing people of faking it has never done anything good for anyone, while it has harmed a lot of disabled people who needed support but were ridiculed instead. There is no net positive to fakeclaiming. All it does is serve to stigmatize, mock, and encourage the neglect of disabled people. It's sickening.
I mean this all the time. Even if they do something you assumed they shouldn't be able to do (part-time AAC users, ambulatory wheelchair users, and other people whose disabilities aren't constantly visible exist). Even if you think their accommodations are excessive or unnecessary. Even if you think they have "too many" conditions. Even if it's DID or schizophrenia or any other disability that you're uncomfy acknowledging. Even if they have dyed hair or neopronouns or anything else you've decided is "attention-seeking behavior."
The moment I hear the phrase, "they're probably faking it," leave your lips, I know not to trust you. Because you want disabled people to earn their rights, their support, their ability to live, by first meeting your arbitrary standards for what disabled people must look like.
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chaos-in-one · 1 year
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"I know someone else with this disorder and they're nothing like you!!!"
Maybe that's because we're entirely separate fucking people who have lead different lives, are at different points in our life, and literally have different brains, not because I don't actually have the disorder.
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debunkingfdc · 1 year
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it's hilarious that once r/fakedisordercringe git popular, every edgelord who wanted an excuse to be ableist proceeded to into spaces for disabled people just to speak over disabled people, and tried to gaslight everyone into thinking it was "for their own good"
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didismal · 1 year
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everyone, do system faker bingo with me. (not my image) edit: btw all of this stuff is completely normal and natural for systems so this is to like, make fun of fakeclaimers
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genesidix · 1 year
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The many things that I have heard fakeclaimers say is that: DID is very rare, systems/people with DID are never aware of their alters, and people would notice if you had alters. I've also heard a million of times of them invalidating younger systems because they're influenced by the media, and just want attention or think it's fun to have "imaginary friends."
Many people diagnosed with DID were aware of having 'other people' in them (not quite sure how to phrase this--), and know there are other voices talking to them. But often, they tend to try ignoring these type of things once they get older, when they realized it's not so "normal.". They end up trying to ignore it and fit in with society/other "normal" people. Which causes a lot of denial in systems, and prevents them from ever trying to get a diagnosis for it. (But now with all the fakeclaimers running around, it doesn't make it any better.)
I hate this one so much. Many people say that it would be obvious if you had DID. It actually isn't. DID systems are structured around concealment and protecting itself. So if they made it OBVIOUS that they are completely different parts/alters/headmates, like juristically changing the way they dress, do their makeup, and their hair , could attract too much attention. And might attract more danger to the survivor. Many alters learn to just blend in, trying their best to survive through everything without being detected. Though, yes there are some indications of different alters, like mannerism, personality traits and such. But most people don't notice it, even people close to them. They look the same, and had probably learned to talk the same. Why would anyone ever think they're completely different parts/alters/headmates?
DID isn't 'extremely' rare. Studies have shown that, for the general population, about only 1 percent of people have DID. Other studies have shown, people in a clinical setting, 6 percent of people, (of highly traumatized patients), are diagnosed with DID. That's only people diagnosed. Let alone all the other systems undiagnosed who aren't able to get a diagnosis, don't want to, or just don't think they have it. So there are definitely more people out there with this disorder. It's also hard to diagnose someone/a system for DID when only one alter is present when with a treatment provider. Often takes several years for DID systems to even get a correct diagnosis!
So like I said earlier, younger systems can be fully aware of each other. And yes, maybe they were given the help by media to figure out "oh, I might be a system," but that shouldn't invalidate them. With more media, and access to information like this, there is a higher chance of younger systems finding out they're a system! Younger systems can't even get a diagnosis because they might still be in an unstable environment, and/or don't have enough money to even get one. Especially in an underaged body. AND YES, SYSTEMS CAN TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES ONLINE. They aren't attention seekers or fakers for just posting something about themselves and their system. That's totally fine! That's just them expressing themselves!
I do believe there are some "fakers" out there who probably have other mental issues. BUT, that shouldn't give someone the right to just tell them "Oh your faking it," because it doesn't fit the website page you read about it on. Or their system doesn't fit how your friends system is, or your own system is. DID is variously different for different people. It is very understudied, and still needs more understanding. So before it's even thoroughly studied, and medical professionals have a complete, or at least a way better understanding of this disorder, I don't think we should be going around and telling people they aren't a system because it doesn't fit your assumption of DID.
Okay...that's it :). Thanks for reading my poorly written post (if you even read it all lol)!
Feel free to interact with this post in any way. Maybe someone can explain this a little better than me--or counterclaim it .
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stormy-mogai · 1 year
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"ew no REAL nd person would be that cringe"
Gee, it's almost like neurodivergent people are autonomous human beings who can make their own decisions, and not little robots that solely exist to perform their disability Well Enough for NTs! /s
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theswiftheartsystem · 2 months
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We got posted on r/fdc let’s discuss.
So we knew this was going to happen, and rather then being sad about this, we’d like to point out flaws in the arguments. Obviously warning for fake claiming.
also warnings for: talks about trauma and abuse, splitting, mental health episodes, psyche wards, ableism, making a joke out of exorcisms.
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First off, “disorder salad” on that introduction post we only talked about things we were medically recognized as having or diagnosed with. Also the “it’s always the anime ones” it’s a picrew? A lot of Picrews are in a anime style, and if you go to Louise’s actual alter intro she uses not just picrews.
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This one is just making fun of us. I don’t think we have ever fully posted why we are so connected to the character, but I’ll explain now. So when we were little we went through a lot of abuse and trauma. We had a lot of DVDs and a couple were CareBears. And we felt safe when we watched silly little characters like that. It brought us relief. We aren’t sure why we are so attached to Swift Heart specifically, but we have a little who is obsessed with the color blue and rabbits that formed around that time. We even own the original 80s plush which we found thrifting and means so much to us, plus a few other things of the character. We named our system this, not only because it represents our trauma, but also it represents safety, a light in the dark.
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When did we self diagnose???? Also in that post we state that we intend to talk about the bad sides. We don’t think this is fun. Yes we portray ourselves a certain way, but we actually have constant flashbacks, panic attacks, and BPD episodes. It’s sometimes a daily thing. For around 2-3 weeks we would split at least once a day. We don’t think thats fun. But also sometimes you can enjoy life and enjoy being plural. When you live like this you learn to enjoy what you have and what you are living with. If we didn’t we wouldn’t survive. How parasocial do you have to be to think A TUMBLR ACCOUNT shows how we are 24/7.
Going back to the Self Diagnosis thing, We were being treated for DID before anyone put a label on it. We were talked to about “how when someone has many parts of them, sometimes fusion can help them feel more whole.” And asked when dissociating and acting strange who we were regularly asked who we where. When we we’re 15, we had gone to the Psyche ward for the 2nd time, and they couldn’t diagnose us, because of our age at the time, but they strongly suggested we get tested for it when we were old enough. And to get them to recommend anything, they have to talk to all the therapists, doctors, and psychologists, especially the ones who work with you. It’s been years since then, and guess what? We still have DID!
Finally the last claim out of the first comment, the Sub-System thing, that wasn’t in the original post, and I’m unaware who edited it in, but the reason we are confused if they are a subsystem, is because they are plural as it’s where dormant alters are stored. They speak as one and it’s quite strange. Not sure how to explain it.
Okay, comment 2:
The difference between DID and OSDD-1 in the DSM-5 is it’s nearly DID but isn’t quite. (Bad explanation, but these people need simple explanations) often times, it’s the alters are not distinct enough from the host, or a lack of blackout amnesia. This isn’t always the case but that’s what they were referring to. Also have you read the DSM-5’s entry on DID and OSDD-1?.. We have, many times actually. Guess what? it’s purposefully vague FOR A REASON. Because disorders are complex and wouldn’t be able to fit everyone if it was to specific.
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This is just ableism. We have been told this by people and our life (luckily nothing was done), and we have heard stories about systems going through this. This stuff is incredibly traumatizing to the people who go through it. This kind of rhetoric being treated as a joke is disgusting.
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We aren’t online everyday (also you, the person who commented this, have posted 10 times in the last 11 hours)
The stuff we are “faking” are often co-morbid with DID?!?!
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I’m pretty sure this comment is trying to be like “they are doing it for attention to deal with their trauma that’s so sad 🥺🥺🥺”
If that’s the case, you are adding onto the problem
if you believe us and feel bad for us, thanks, but posting it on that subreddit just boost the post which can lead to harassment.
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That’s literally the words that was told to us. By our former therapist. We believe it’s C-PTSD, but we put that instead of that because some reason we struggle to believe we have PTSD more then we do DID at this point.
Anyway, yeah, we’d thought we debunk/explain why the argument they have is stupid, they have a platform, but so do we.
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makiruz · 1 year
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I'm hearing that some therapists are refusing to diagnose people with autism because of TikTok; and some people are blaming this on the people talking about autism on social media when they should blame instead the doctors who refuse to take their patients seriously
I am not a medical professional, but I know that you have to listen to your patient when they tell you what is wrong with them, the patient is the one experiencing the symptoms so even if they don't actually know what's wrong with them or they're wrong in their impressions the doctor needs to listen to them and consider the possibility that they might be right
It's like those stories of doctors telling patients to loose weight when the patient actually has cancer; but in those cases we don't accuse the patient of faking cancer for attention
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tales-from-systok · 10 days
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We once saw someone on a tiktok common section claim that "14 year old systems claiming to have like 400+ alters are always fake".. as if there's like an age limit for how many alter you can have? What— "oh, sorry, you're just 14, you should only have 40 alters!" Huh!?
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tallymarksystem · 1 year
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reminder that you don't actually owe fakeclaimers anything
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didosddinfo · 5 months
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Why Fakeclaiming Is Never Okay
Fakeclaiming is the act of accusing somebody of faking a disorder, disability, or symptom. This is a common occurance in the DIDOSDD community, and I thought it would make a great first post.
This is essentially going to be a long list (aka an essay I've put into bullets) of reasons why fakeclaiming is never, and will never, be acceptable. I will try to cover everything, but if I miss anything feel free to send in an ask of anything you'd like added or comment/reblog.
Fakeclaiming against minors is never okay because minors aren't fully developed yet and don't need to be shamed or harassed. Let them be on their journey. If they're spreading misinfo, kindly correct it, but never fakeclaim a child. It will most likely only lead them to denial or negative self thoughts, especially with teenagers.
That being said, fakeclaiming adults is never okay either. Adults are also going on their own journey. I'm more likely to recommend correcting misinfo and providing resources to adults than minors, since especially adults over the age of 25 will be more mentally developed and able to accept info they don't agree with, without it affecting their mental state.
You are so so so likely to be wrong. More often than not, there is no way of proving whether or not someone is faking, especially online. The chances that you will be wrong and fakeclaim someone who isn't faking is VERY high, and thus causes more damage to the community than any fakers.
Actual fakers know they are faking, and your fakeclaiming comment isn't going to stop them.
Fakeclaiming being normalized destroys safe spaces for people to talk about their symptoms or questions. Questioning people are less likely to ask about their symptoms or experiences when there's a constant fear of getting "FAKE!" shouted back at them. This is especially noticable in cases where people, minors particularly, realize they were wrong about something. I personally have seen a minor get banned from a space for "faking DID" because they talked about how they were wrong and found out they actually had Schizophrenia. They never faked, they simply did the best with their current knowledge and later found out they'd been wrong.
Fakeclaiming people who have admitted to faking doesn't help anyone. Firstly, many people who admit to faking have been pressured into it by fakeclaimers and internet assholes, and many of them were never even faking. We see this phenomenom in criminal justice, where police will convince a suspect they have committed a crime by treating them like they have, until the suspect confesses, even if later physical evidence proves them innocent. It's no stretch to say the same thing can happen in this kind of a space, especially when minors are targetted.
Adding onto that, fakeclaiming actual fakers doesn't help the community nor the person faking. Fakers fake for a reason, it's never a perfectly healthy person faking. Fakeclaiming and harassing someone who's admitted to faking is likely to drive them away from mental health spaces altogether. If someone is brave enough to admit that they faked something, they should be met with compassion and help on their journey to find out what's actually going on and what drove them to fake. If they faked for attention, giving them genuine attention when they aren't faking will show them that they don't need to fake to get the attention they need.
Side note: Attention is not morally wrong to need. Needing attention is a very real need, for a variety of reasons ranging from neglect to other disorders to being ignored by professionals.
Faking is usually a disorder in of itself. If not facticious disorder or munchausin's, it's being caused by another disorder that rationalizes faking in the person's mind or deems it necessary. Driving people who fake things out of mental health or disability communities is only driving them out of spaces where they could find out what is actually going on.
Overall, fakeclaiming tends to only do more harm than good. If someone is willingly faking, or spreading misinfo, you can simply block them or correct their misinfo without trying to 'correct' them as a person. The block button doesn't harm anyone or lead to harassment, and it's a perfectly valid way to get someone you think is faking off of your dash without being a dick.
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I don't think a lot of people realize what self diagnosis is or why it's so important.
A lot of neurodivergent people can't access a formal diagnosis. Some people can't afford it (that feels so fucked up to say... Why is medicine something we have to *afford?*). Some people can't find a doctor in their area who can diagnose them. Some people are living with family members who won't let them see a doctor or get diagnosed. And the medical system is infamous for its prejudice against women, people of color, the lower class... Especially in regards to disabilities that aren't always clearly visible, where patients can easily be written off as lairs about their own health.
These are people who have spent their entire lives struggling with things that come naturally to everyone else. For the longest time, they didn't understand why nobody else feels like screaming when the lights in the store are too bright, or why everybody seems to love communicating with secret body languages or hidden messages, or how other people can keep up with keeping the house tidy and taking care of their health and maintaining jobs and relationships when all that stuff is so complicated and exhausting.
One day, they happen to come across an autistic person discussing their experiences, and they relate to it a lot more than they feel they should have. "That's not an autistic thing, right? Doesn't everyone do that?"
Then it clicks. Maybe it is an autistic thing. And maybe they're autistic.
So these people spend a long time reading about autism to find out, "Is this what's going on? Is this why I'm struggling?" They take their past and hold it up to the light, studying it more than anyone else has cared to do before.
The voice of doubt in their head, and maybe those around them, insist, "No, you're faking it for attention. You don't look autistic. You don't deserve help. Stop pretending."
But they can't forget. All of the things that happened before, all the stress and fear and sadness they've experienced suddenly begin to make sense.
Finally, they realize: "I'm not just too stupid to understand people. I'm not just too whiny about the noise and the lights around me. I'm not just too stubborn to let go of routines. I'm not just too impatient to stop fidgeting. I'm autistic."
They might seek a doctor to confirm. They might not. Getting a formal diagnosis is incredibly difficult for many people. But ultimately, the point of self diagnosis isn't to get other people to acknowledge that they're autistic. It's for their own benefit. Now that they know they're autistic, they can start looking for ways to make their life easier, to accommodate for themselves when nobody else will. Knowing what your needs are is the first step towards fulfilling them.
Sure, there might be people who fake things for attention or think they're neurodivergent when they're not. But I think it's better to trust someone about what's going on in their own mind and give them support than to assume that they're just diagnosing themselves for fun or to harm neurodivergent people. It's better to risk helping someone who doesn't actually need it than to not help someone who actually does.
For me, personally, the main reasons I'm pretty sure I'm autistic are A) I have autistic family members, some who are formally diagnosed, and autism tends to run in families, and B) I have a lot of the characteristics of autism such as strange sensory needs (especially regarding clothes and other physical textures), strong need for routine and predictability, stimming, special interests I'd pour my life and soul into, and an inability to read weird allistic social cues. But I don't have a formal diagnosis. I currently live in the US and can't afford to go through the medical system. Even if I could, I'm AFAB and might be denied diagnosis on the basis of my sex. And even if I weren't, I live in rural Nowhere-ville and the nearest doctor who could legally diagnose me is several hours away.
I need people to understand: I didn't decide to call myself autistic for shits and giggles. I didn't just go, "Ooh, autism looks fun and quirky, I wanna be that!" I have good reason to believe I am actually autistic, but I currently can't get a formal diagnosis. I'm not a "fake autistic" just because I can't currently get a doctor to look at me and go, "Yup, that's autism" and give me the doctor's note.
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sayorispace · 1 year
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Serious post (TW: Fakeclaiming and ableism)
One thing that really upsets me about fakeclaimers is how they act towards introjects, but specifically like this:
FC: "Oh well a person shouldn't have a fictive from recent media, they should have like old kids media if fictives are really real. Where's the Dora the Explorer fictives?"
Sys: *Has a fictive from a kids show*
FC: "OMG LOOK AT THIS CRINGE LMAOO A FICTIVE OF DORA THE EXPLORER? THATS SO STUPID AND OBVIOUSLY FAKE LMAOOOO LOOK AT THIS FAKER KID RUINING DORA"
I see this way too much, saying people should have kids media introjects and then bashing them into the ground when they do. Fakeclaimers have to stop acting like they're doing this for real systems to be safe or whatever, they're just doing this because they're ableist assholes who don't even believe systems are real. Honestly idk why they bother acting like they care about truly disordered people. All they do is hurt them while thinking they're doing good for the world by... making fun of people? I can't wrap my brain around the logic tbh.
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debunkingfdc · 1 year
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an r/fakedisordercringe member made a bait poll o r/autism to see who was self-diagnosed and who was diagnosed. after a while, the poll was posted on r/fakedisordercringe and everyone on there had a fit about self-diagnosed people simply existing.
(note that the amount of people who were self-diagnosed were less than the people who were diagnosed, but fakeclaimers swooped in to say that most people who said they were diagnosed were just faking their diagnosis, because they have to justify their harassment somehow)
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sophieinwonderland · 1 year
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Yes! Animal alters are a thing in DID
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First, no, /u/PrincessPanqake, you didn't give either research or experience because you had no sources and don't have DID.
But sure! Here are five actual case studies!
All it took was a short search on Google Scholar to easily debunk your misinformation.
But it really shouldn't have taken even that. The existence of the Otherkin community proves that anyone, even singlets, can identify as animals and nonhumans. "It's literally impossible for any alter to identify as nonhuman" is a bad take even if you know absolutely nothing about DID.
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A few things on /u/PrincessPnaqake's second comment here...
First, thinking you may be transgender doesn't mean someone is faking, and I shouldn't have to point out how transphobic it is to suggest that "transgender = liar."
Second, there is no "too young" to be diagnosed. It is rarer to be diagnosed as a minor, but it does happen.
Third, yes, an internal representation can shift because what you identify as isn't tied to the physical body.
Fourth, no, more than 6 alters isn't rare and adolescents actually are more likely to report more alters.
The typical patient who is diagnosed with DID is a woman, about age 30. A retrospective review of that patient’s history typically will reveal onset of dissociative symptoms at ages 5 to 10, with emergence of alters at about the age of 6. Typically by the time they are adults, DID patients report up to 16 alters (adolescents report about 24)
What was it you said?
PLEASE STOP HURTING THE COMMUNITY OF THE UNWELL!
Stop fakeclaiming people with disorders you clearly know nothing about and have done zero research into. Especially when these disorders are heavily associated with depersonalization and derealization, where fakeclaiming can be especially harmful.
And /u/Catt_the_cat, maybe don't tell a child abuse victim to listen to the adults around them?
If you want to be an ally, this is NOT how you go about it.
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stormy-mogai · 2 years
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calling someone "attention-seeker" has just become another way to say "you act weird, so we're justified in harassing you!" and I look forward to the day it finally leaves internet discourse
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