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quadrantadvisor · 5 months

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I haven't thought about Encanto in forever. Remember how Mirabel was a teenager still living in her family's nursery? Remember how she was denied the basic right of growing up because she failed to conform to her family's standards? Ever think about young people being infantalized by their societies because they can't conform to the standards of "adulthood"? Do you?

#i cant think about that movie ill go insane #it fucked me up so bad when it came out #encanto #disney #my rambles #anyways as a neurodivergent middle child. yeah.

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brightwanderer · 9 months

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I keep thinking about how, in Encanto, the first thing Bruno tries to apologise for is Pepa’s wedding - an incident that happened, what, 20 years ago? But apparently it’s still fresh in both their minds.

Obviously that’s largely narrative convenience/conservation of detail. But from an in-story perspective, it suggests two possibilities:

1. Bruno has been bothered and upset by it for 20 years, just like Pepa, but never quite had the nerve to explain the mix-up.

2. Bruno had no idea that Pepa was still so upset by it, and only found out during We Don’t Talk About Bruno, when he could hear them through the walls. After all, this is a family where they don’t talk about all sorts of things. Maybe he didn’t know she’d been holding onto that incident all these years. Maybe he didn’t even know she’d misinterpreted it. Maybe that’s why it was the first thing on his mind when apologising: until the dam burst and he heard his sister telling the story very differently from how he remembered it, he hadn’t had the first clue he needed to apologise, and now he feels awful.

It makes me wonder too: he left because he thought it was better for the family that way. And they don’t talk about Bruno so... did he ever hear a single thing to suggest he was wrong? Or did they fold up around his absence with barely a ripple, only confirming that he’d never really been needed or wanted?

#I have a lot of feelings about Bruno have I mentioned #he pings me hard as neurodivergent/dealing with mental health #encanto #bruno

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im-just-a-br0adway-baby · 7 months

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Do you have any headcanon for autistic Mirabel? Like what are things that sets her off, things she’s obsessed with and could talk for hours about and does she also flaps her arms.

I have a couple! Here's what I have.

Music and embroidery are her two biggest special interests. She started developing interest in both since she was very young. Both of which were developed because of her father.

The two would sew or play music together for hours since Mirabel was little.

Embroidery became a special interest because she loves to keep her hands busy.

Her stims mostly involve playing with loose pieces of her clothes and strands of her hair. She also sometimes flaps her hands and rubs her fingernails on occasion.

I did mention this in a previous headcanon post, but she has a great memory. She remembers everyone in her family’s birthdays as early as the age of three.

Julieta and Agustin noticed the symptoms in Mirabel as early as two years old, but she didn’t get a proper diagnosis until a year later.

They both knew that, like with Pepa and Felix with Dolores, if she got an earlier diagnosis, she would not have as hard of a time with social navigation as Pepa or Bruno did when they got older, and she would understand why she was different.

Her family support with Pepa, Bruno, and Dolores at the time also helped her immensely.

She was bullied in school as a child for her stims and intensity of her interests. It would get to a point where Luisa would often intervene and threaten to beat her bullies to the ground if they made fun of her again.

And that's all I have so far.

#encanto #disney #disney encanto #disney's encanto #encanto asks #encanto headcanons #asks #headcanons #mirabel madrigal #autistic mirabel madrigal #autistic #autism #neurodivergent #neurodivergent mirabel madrigal #autistic mirabel #la familia madrigal

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strwbrryvagabond · 5 months

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as I rewatch Disney movies now knowing that I'm autistic and knowing the many different ways that Autism presents...

damn a LOT of Disney princesses scream late diagnosed Autistic to me, especially Mulan, Elsa, Belle, Mirabel and Rapunzel. G-d now I wanna deep dive on each and why I think that. maybe I will maybe I won't, idk

#disney #actually autistic #actually neurodivergent #autism in women #autism in media #disney movies #Mulan #Frozen #Beauty and the Beast #Encanto #Tangled

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b1ttersweetzomb1e · 8 months

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My beloved duo of autistic lesbian & demisexual demigirl x adhd bisexual & aceflux nonbinary trans girl🌊🦋

Aww i miss simping over my baby girls so much :( need to write something about them once more. I absolutely love this shipp.

#mirabel madrigal #moana waialiki #crossover ship #autistic headcanon #lesbian headcanon #asexual headcanon #transfem headcanon #trans headcanon #lgbt headcanon #sapphic headcanon #adhd headcanon #encanto #neurodivergent headcanon #moabel

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shrewstew · 2 years

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Blorbo

Not gonna lie, bit nervous posting my art on here

#bruno madrigal #bruno encanto #encanto headcannon #encanto #neurodivergent bruno #autistic Bruno madrigal #stimming #autism

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noperopesaredope · 1 year

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The Encanto Neurodivergent Discourse: A Retrospective (Kinda)

So I was thinking back on the Encanto neurodivergent discourse that occurred after the movie came out, and I realized that there was a huge misunderstanding between the two sides that caused the main part of the discourse. So I decided to do a small retrospective type thing on this discourse, my opinions, and where each side went wrong/misunderstood the other’s argument.

So, first let’s start with the elephant in the room: Bruno. If you’ve seen some of my posts on this topic, you know where I stood/stand. Of course, my opinions have slightly altered to become more neutral (or at least softer) on this particular point, but I would still like to explain and unpack where each side went wrong here.

In my personal experience, the reason that multiple neurodivergent people believe/believed that Bruno is neurodivergent isn’t because of his superstitions, but because of multiple of his other mannerisms, as well as how it ties to one of the themes of the movie, or at least what he represents in terms of the main theme. I originally thought to myself, “oh my god, this bitch be autistic,” not when he started doing the rituals, but actually when he was first introduced and how he spoke to Mirabel. He stared at her for a few seconds before abruptly saying “bye,” and brushing past her. I (and others) have actually done this in real life, sometimes mid conversation.

His speaking mannerisms are also very familiar, with the way he rambles and how his phrases things, as well as how his sentence structures flow. And when he was explaining stuff about his visions, we realize that many of the visions mentioned in “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” were likely just regular predictions, showing that he is likely very blunt. The wedding incident, as he explained, was mainly just him not at all reading the room or knowing how to properly comfort his sister. This is common for people with things like autism, and likely other neurodivergent things that affect socializing. It’s less about the rituals, and more about the socialization style.

Now onto to talking about how OCD works and why Bruno’s rituals are seen as parts of OCD. I myself have OCD (very mild in terms of most rituals, but very intense in terms of intrusive thoughts, so highly stressful) and a good understanding of the disorder, so I believe I can add my two cents in a credible manner.

OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) is a neurological condition in which an individual will experience unwanted, excessing, persistent, recurring thoughts that will cause the person to engage in repetitive behaviors in order to diminish the amount/intensity of the thoughts.

The reason people felt that Bruno likely had OCD was not really because of the rituals themselves, but how often Bruno did them and when.

Most people would perform good luck rituals if they saw a sign that something bad was going to happen. For example, breaking a mirror is bad luck, so it would be reasonable to do something that would ward off that bad luck. You could also do such rituals if you needed extra good luck for something, like an important test. I myself do this sometimes (I’m not superstitious, but I’m also kinda superstitious), and it has nothing to do with my OCD.

But Bruno doesn’t seem to just do it when bad luck comes around, or when he needs good luck. He seems to do it a lot more excessively than most people, and it seems that he believes that there is always bad luck in the air. He seems to be doing these rituals repetitively.

And I honestly think that, because his rituals originate from his culture, it makes for better representation. You see, OCD rituals typically aren’t completely random. While things like counting tiles can be “random” rituals, the most likely way OCD will manifest is tied to the nature of some of the intrusive thoughts, as well as some of the individual’s other fears. Their rituals will then often be tied to something familiar or even something comforting. While this is not always the case, it can be. For example, say someone has OCD, and a majority of their intrusive thoughts revolve around germs. This may cause them to persistently clean their hands, and they will do this repetitively, even when they have no reasonable reason to believe that they are “contaminated.”

In Bruno’s case, his thoughts most likely seem to be that he is bad luck, causes bad luck, or bad luck is at every turn. These thoughts are likely constant and persistent, so he feels a consistent need to ward off bad luck. This is why he will perform rituals known to cause good luck and ward off bad luck, just like washing your hands will make germs go away. That’s why I think he has OCD.

It also adds to his theme in the movie, which a lot of neurodivergent people can relate to: being an outcast in the family, the one who acts strangely, the one who seems to be “embarrassing” to the family, the one that no one talks about (or they talk too much about). I have family members who can relate to this, because though we have multiple autistic folks in the extended family tree, not many in said tree seem to fully understand what it is like to be on the spectrum or generally neurodivergent. I see multiple of my family members who are like Bruno in that specific way, and it kinda made me cry.

So it makes a lot of sense why people would view him that way.

But here’s where things went wrong. First, many neurodivergent people got so excited about the prospect of having good representation, they got a bit carried away, and, from what I’ve heard, started saying that the movie was about neurodivergent representation, or they completely ignored the Colombian representation. This was obviously very irritating to many Colombians, as this movie was very significant in terms of Colombian representation, and to ignore that was insulting.

When some Colombians started telling people that these rituals were actually a part of Colombian culture, a small, yet significant miscommunication/error occurred. Some of the more (I’m assuming) neurotypical Colombians seemed to assume that those headcanoning Bruno as neurodivergent were basing it solely on his rituals. From that assumption rose a (pretty reasonable) assumption that others saw Colombian superstitions as a whole as solely an OCD ritual rather than a cultural one.

However, though these superstitions originated from Colombia (and I’m assuming other Latin American countries?), they are not unfamiliar to other countries and cultures. Even the least-Latino people I know were familiar with knocking on wood, crossing your fingers, or throwing salt over your shoulder for good luck. Many of them did it themselves. So I’m pretty sure that most people making the headcanons didn’t see the rituals as “exotic” or “strange”, but it is perfectly reasonable to assume that they did.

A lot of non-Latino and non-Colombian folks were not completely familiar with Colombian culture or some little details they added to the film, and people who aren’t familiar with certain cultures tend to do that, which is frustrating. And there were definitely quite a lot of people in the fanbase who were constantly ignoring and brushing aside the Colombian aspects of the film.

But instead of trying to clear this matter up and explain why many neurodivergent people saw Bruno’s rituals as OCD rituals, most people immediately jumped to a defensive position, and became dismissive of their concerns over how people were portraying Colombian culture and even ignoring very valid points on how people were brushing over the importance of cultural representation in the film, because whether you like it or not, I will say that the primary representation in the film was cultural.

So many Colombians ended up feeling frustrated, because instead of having a proper conversation about how to interpret this part of Bruno’s character and see why people are perceiving him that way, many Colombian voices and concerns were drowned out, ignored, or even dismissed. Some people even dismissed Colombian culture entirely, and I remember seeing a few people basically say that those rituals weren’t actually a part of Colombian culture, which is a horrible thing to do/say.

The aggressive backlash to the points on cultural representation caused a responsive backlash from particularly frustrated Colombian voices. Though the loudest voices were likely the minority, they still had a strong negative impact. The loudest and most extreme voices essentially began dismissing neurodivergent voices, and even made some very ableist comments. This particular backlash (at least in many of the circles I was in) eventually began drowning out neurodivergent voices who were more willing to explain their stance, which caused its own wave of frustration, etc.

That was the main issue with that particular discourse.

Now for Dolores, that is a whole other story. From what I could find, the main (and lowkey only?) reason that people believed Dolores is neurodivergent is because of her “hm!” that she makes throughout the movie. Some say that this is a tic, others that this is a stim. I think some of us jumped to that conclusion way too quickly. Multiple Colombians explained that that is actually a cultural thing, something that many people do quite often. And they are likely right that this is not a sign of Dolores being neurodivergent. First off, she only makes this noise during very specific moments. If you replaced the sound with “huh!” or even “oh well!”, it wouldn’t feel that out of place.

It is a response to situations, and specifically when she ends certain statements. So it is less random than a tic. She also never really uses it as a self soothing mechanism or a way to express certain emotions, which is what stims are mainly for. So we can likely rule out stimming. So it is perfectly reasonable for many Colombian folks to be frustrated about this, because it takes one trait and turns it into something else rather than a cultural element.

I think the reason some people may have jumped to the conclusion that it was a stim is because it is actually a very soothing sound that actually became a minor stim for me after I heard it. I don’t quite “copy” some people’s stims, but I may see/hear one, think it looks calming, do the thing, and then it becomes something that evolves into a stim. This is likely the reason that people thought that Dolores is neurodivergent: because they have/like that particular potential stim (or tic).

Doesn’t really make it any better though, and it is probably pretty annoying to those who know that it’s most likely not a stim or tic in Dolores’ case. Especially since some neurodivergent folks were dismissing Colombian culture in the Bruno discourse, and it gets really frustrating and annoying after a while (or even the second it happens). Having every aspect of one’s culture be labelled as something else is uncomfortable, especially when (I assume) many of the people making these headcanons were White Americans who know nothing about Colombia or even Latin America.

So that is where the neurodivergent side of the discourse were the most in the wrong.

For little things like Neurodivergent Mirabel headcanons? Eh, they seem to be more obscure and are truly just headcanons. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone try to actively prove that she or any other characters are neurodivergent, it’s more just a basic neurodivergent headcanon like any other.

I won’t even get into what went wrong with the “Lesbian Isabella” discourse (especially since I didn’t really pay attention to that one, and this post is about the neurodivergent discourse), but all I’ll say on that is that Colombian lesbians should probably be the ones to decide whether or not we should write Lesbian Isabella stuff. I personally think it can be harmless to portray a character as queer whether they are actually queer or not in canon, but for cases like Encanto, which takes place in a specific country with a specific culture, I think we should always consider what it is like to be queer in that specific country and culture. Not every queer community across the world is going to be the same, and we need to respect that. A queer Colombian will have a very different experience from a, for example, queer American.

This can honestly apply to all the discourse. The main reason I like the idea of Bruno being neurodivergent is because, as I said in a poem I wrote here on Tumblr, I have an autistic Colombian American older cousin, and her heritage affects her experience with that part of her identity. Most autistic portrayals we see in the media are from a White (and non-Hispanic) lens, and most of the time, they’re not even that good! So for a Colombian person to be seen in that way is amazing. But that type of representation is mainly for those whose intersectionality is never represented. We need to show and respect that intersectionality as much as possible, and should be careful with how we portray someone with that type of intersectional experience.

But enough on that. If you’re reading this part, thank you for reading this giant post analyzing and explaining this specific subject. I hope you enjoyed, and please add your thoughts in the replies and reblogs!

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hourglass-dreams · 1 year

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Bruno Madrigal Mental Health/Neurodivergence Headcanons 💚

Disclaimer: yes I know the movie is about generational trauma within Latin American culture and I am taking that into account. But I also know this (like all types of trauma) effect mental health GREATLY. Bruno also shows clear ND traits whether that be Autism, ADHD, etc... And are underrepresented in Latin American communities. If you disagree that is fine! But I never intend to ignore the culture in any way. When it comes to the OCD stuff, please know that I am not trying to depict superstition and the condition as being the same thing. Someone can be superstitious and not have OCD and vise-versa. OCD is a complex condition that can become disruptive to someone’s life while a superstition is a type of belief or practice.

Another thing is that half of these will get pretty heavy in nature since trauma, OCD, depression, etc... Are real issues meant to be taken seriously. I will refrain from sharing headcanons that discuss more triggering subject matter ❤️

Alright here we go. 💚 I'll start with the I guess, lighter ones?

I cannot remember who had this first one originally but I loved it. It's basically an idea where Bruno likes tight hugs and deep pressure. So whenever he’s around people and feels overwhelmed his sisters will hug him really tight to ground him. (Over the years they’ve gotten better at recognzing his behavoiral changes since he has a hard time communicating when he’s experiencing overload or severe anxiety, even Alma has begun doing this) And of course he’ll only let specific people hug him like that. In the rare occasion that he isn’t around them in the village, he’ll either run back home or of course have his rats with him. His rats are wonderful comfort animals. Credit to the person who came up with the deep pressure idea!

Along with the deep pressure theme, Mirabel had this idea for a “cuddle blanket” (or, a weighted blanket) for Bruno. So, the grandkids banded together to help her make it, adding in something special from each of them. Isabela grew Lamb’s Ear and Mullien leaves on the outside of it to give it differing textures (those leaves are EXTREMELY soft, it’s insane). There also little pockets on the sides for his rats to climb in.

When the triplets were children, Bruno would write little messages in wet sand when he couldn’t verbalize what he needed. Pepa started doing this too when she’d give someone the silent treatment XD.

This is probably surprising to no one but Bruno has a drawer full of salt containers.

When Bruno returned, he still felt like an intruder so he would just stay in his tower. His sisters or Mirabel had to practically beg him to get out and be with the family.

He always had a fascination with hourglasses even before he got his gift, when he got his tower it came with a random array of hourglasses, one in particular would detect how much time was left until a certain prophecy was fufilled.

When the triples were younger, Bruno had a habit of tapping on of his sisters’ arm. It didn’t always mean he was nervous, it was just a soothing thing. He still does it occasionally.

Still to do this day, Bruno will occasionally bury himself in the sand of his tower.

Bruno either makes too much eye contact, or none at all. Literally, the “seeing your dreams” thing derived from him unknowingly staring at someone.

Bruno’s knowledge of theatre allowed him bond a lot with Camilo, and make him WAY less scared of him.

Sometimes in visions, Bruno will watch movies or plays that haven’t even happened yet and unintentionally spoil the details because he gets so excited. 😂

Sometimes on really bad depression days, the grandkids will play out telenovelas for him so he doesn’t have to get up and force any energy.

Speaking of depression, since Pepa knows how deep and debilitating emotions can get, she tries her best to get Bruno to vent his feelings (When you know.. he wants to and is willing). This has been a great way to rekindle their sibling relationship, and Julieta, being the nurturer that she is, she does whatever she can to comfort them. There were times where all them have started crying.

Alma has the hardest time communicating so sometimes she will just go into Bruno’s room just to be there to let him know that she cares about him.

Bruno adopted some mannerisms that resemble his rats 🐀

Alright, now for the more agnsty ones.

Bruno absolutely despises crowds, before he left, riots would ensue around him made up of angry villagers and he would just shut down, unable to react. To try and distract them, Isabela would swing around on her vine and grow vibrant flowers. Being just a young child, she said she didn’t mind doing it but Bruno hated for her to even be around when it happened, along with any of the other grandkids. They were all too young to witness angry mobs, and he didn’t know how to handle them at all.

There have been times where Bruno will be up all night sprinkling salt between the tiles of Casita and knocking on door frames.

Okay so you know how I said he has a collection of hourglasses? Yeah well one day after having an argument with Alma over the townspeople and his gift, he broke one of those hourglasses in anger. What makes matters worse is that it was the large one tied to his power. Luckily, it gradually repaired itself.

In the first few years of Bruno having his gift, he would cry whenever he had visions because he would have a really hard time processing everything that was going on, like the sights, sounds, bodily sensations, etc.. It was a lot to handle sensory wise, on top of him being a child.

On the topic of his visions being overwhelming, there were times where Bruno would cause himself to bleed from scratching his eyes so hard, luckily he hasn’t blinded himself (well... yet any way).

Sadly there are things Julieta’s food can’t heal, like Bruno’s vision headaches and the recurring bruises on his knuckles.

Bruno has a really bad habit of hitting himself in the head and puling his hair. His rats are fortunately able to prevent him from doing this by distracting him.

Bruno has a very vague idea of what he looks like because of his eisoptrophobia (or spectrophobia, fear of mirrors). He only knows from Camilo or distorted reflections in glass or porcelian. His family has been trying to help ease his anxiety with gradual success.

There are times where Bruno will be so disoriented from a vision or dream he had that he will have severe derealization for a few days. (A state of feeling detached from yourself and or your surroundings or feeling like things aren’t real).

After Pedro died, Alma became hypervigilant and grew more superstitious for a few years, so she often blames herself for Bruno’s ecessive superstitiousness and anxiety. (She blames herself for so many things...)

I might add to this?? Idk <3

#encanto #bruno madrigal #bruno madrigal headcanons #neurodivergent #neurodivergence headcanons #mental health headcanons #this has been sitting in my drafts #bruno my beloved

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aquietanarchy · 11 months

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thinking about a post I saw a while back about what types of stories get Fandomized, and this sweet spot of being fun to watch and leaving plenty of gaps for a potential fandom to fill in

Anyways I just watched Encanto last night and I think it's one of the most Fandomizable movies I've ever seen. It introduced so many intriguing ideas and didn't fully explore them. I can't stop thinking about it like I'm obsessed

#also easy to read neurodivergence and queerness in so many of the characters which is another thing in its favor #i hope this isnt taken as me attacking the film i thought it was okay and all those unexplored areas are prime for fanworks ya know #i love bruno in spooky seer mode and want to see more of it. idk i have a thing for hooded characters with glowing eyes. its a whole Vibe #second favorite side character is Isabel i just think her arc is so interesting #encanto

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sunniestfae · 1 year

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Autistic-Coded Characters IMO

part 1

🍃 Nahida 🍃

🕷️ Spider-Man/Peter Parker 🕷️

🐠 Sangonomiya Kokomi 🐠

🪐 Hotaru Tomoe/Sailor Saturn 🪐

🍙 Tohru Honda 🍙

🌺 Keyleth 🌺

⏳ Bruno ⏳

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im-just-a-br0adway-baby · 1 year

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There's something I've noticed about all the Pepa bashing that's been happening in this fandom...

So, I've been reading a lot of the hate comments towards Pepa recently because I love torturing myself that much, and I realized something. When people bring up why they don't like her, most of the time it's for what I see as several autistic traits.

Think about it this way. Besides all the stupid crap with Bruno that was integral to the film's story, if you ask someone why they don't like Pepa, they would usually either bring up the breakfast scene or the line in WDTAB "You're telling this story or am I?". When I look at her angry during the breakfast scene, I saw it as more of a "don't mess with her routine" type of thing than anything else. As for the line in WDTAB, pretty much everyone hates being interrupted, but especially autistics (I know as and autistic when I get interrupted I get in my tense mode).

I know this may be a biased take because I am autistic and I see these traits in Pepa and headcanon her as autistic for that reason, but I noticed that there is still not just racism in this fandom (we've seen lots of that), but also a lot of ableism that a lot of people are turning a blind eye to.

#encanto #disney #disney encanto #disney's encanto #encanto thoughts #pepa madrigal #pepa madrigal hate #pepa hate #encanto pepa #autistic pepa madrigal #neurodivergent pepa madrigal #la familia madrigal #fandom ableism #fandom misogyny

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