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in this shot the candle is positioned higher up in the shot than mirabel, showcasing how she feels this candle is worth more than she is. This is also foreshadowing for the moment she quite literally values this candle more than her own life!
#encanto#encanto disney#disneys encanto#mirabel madrigal#this is just how my mind interpreted it lmao I’m not claiming it’s canon#but like that’s just a theory#it would not surprise me if they did that on purpose#anyways more mirabel angst woo!!#it’s a piece of wax mirabel#magical wax but it’s still wax#like save yourself!!#encanto theory#encanto analysis#encanto discussion#notice how she’s always below it?#even in the opening scene like ???? the candle is always higher than her😭
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I want Disney to use this every time a new Disney movie comes out in the future!!!
WE NEED TO SEE THIS IN EVERY DISNEY MOVIE!!! RIGHT NOOOOOOW
#encanto#encanto disney#encanto discussion#mirabel madrigal#abuela alma madrigal#bruno magridal#luisa madrigal#felix madrigal#pepa madrigal#julieta madrigal#agustin madrigal#isabela madrigal#dolores madrigal#camilo madrigal#antonio madrigal
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All this aroace character shipcourse has proven to me that a majority of people that interact in fandom cannot actually interact with characters and media outside of shipping and genuinely I believe you need to learn how to interact with media outside of shipping.
#text#fandom#aro#ace#aroace#aromantic#asexual#this became extremely obvious with Encanto - where the main message of the movie was ignored#and people were so desperate for shipping they started shipping background characters or even the family members....eugh#like at some point you must understand your inability to interact with media outside of a narrow romantic scope is an actual problem#at some point you need to accept you don't ACTUALLY like the media you're interacting with#like genuinely can you say anything else that you like about a piece of media besides the fact you want two characters to kiss?#genuinely i do believe the way some of you interact with things needs to change because it's made fandom spaces literally unbearable#also it has severely limited some of your guy's critical thinking skills#if you want content based around shipping then look at the romance genre it's literally right there for this very reason#shipping just needs to stop dominating fandom discussions and interactions. shipping should not be the main focus of every genre ever ffs#that or y'all need to literally start tagging your shit so that people can actually block it out and find the posts that they want to see
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Mother and son shaped by trauma: a deeper look into Alma and Bruno's damaged relationship
Alma and Bruno's mother-son relationship seems like such a minor aspect of the movie, but when you give it some thought, despite the limited focus, it's not only a very complex relationship, but also a narratively significant one.
Obviously we don't have a lot of information on it, but let me reflect a bit on the things we do know, while trying to fill in some blanks. Long post ahead.
Back to the start - how did it go so wrong?
There's one particularly interesting detail that Jared Bush shared on a podcast some time ago. It mostly comes down to the reason Bruno's visions were usually so negative: because that's how he was taught to use his gift by his mother, who would ask him to look into the future for any possible dangers to their home.
Now, this makes perfect sense for Alma's character and gives a great insight into how her trauma affected her. It's a completely natural consequence of the tragedy she experienced - of course she would be gripped by fear and desperate to protect her home from another tragedy at all cost. And the power of foresight is seemingly the ultimate key to preventing tragedy, so of course she would rely on her child's gift for that...
...and yes, that's a great burden to put on your child's shoulders and something that clearly had troubling consequences. The particularly frustrating thing being that those consequences could have been largely prevented only if Bruno had proper understanding and emotional support.
The thing is...the understanding and support probably were there for some time. Some bonus materials suggest that Bruno was not always the black sheep of the family, but quite the opposite. He was apparently once the golden child of the family - until people began to believe his gift was actually responsible for bad future events.
Which brings me to the important question: why did it go so wrong? If Alma herself believed Bruno's gift could help prevent disaster, how and why did this belief that it's actually causing disaster came to be? Didn't she try to protect her son from his gift being horribly misunderstood?
Well, I'd like to give Alma the benefit of the doubt that she did try to protect him, at least when he was a child. But I do wonder if she simply grew exhausted by Bruno at some point, as he grew older? Exhausted by his unclear visions, which were hard to control and not that helpful after all (I think Dolores' verse in WDTAB kinda suggests it). Exhausted by Bruno's eccentric personality that was so far away from the "perfect image" she wanted for the family. And maybe that frustration led to her ultimately neglecting him emotionally and enabling the negative attitude to his gift, even if it wasn't intentional on her part.
Broken trust
Again, this is all just my interpretation and I don't want to assume the worst without any proof... however, I do think it's reasonable to believe that Alma did fail Bruno in some way.
And she might have not realized it, but I think Bruno himself very much felt she failed him. That would also explain his evident lack of trust in her. I talked in one of my previous posts how Bruno not trusting Alma with the vision about Mirabel is a big red flag that something was very wrong in the family. Ideally, he should have been able to trust his mother with the vision, but we were as far from the ideal scenario as we could be - Bruno choosing to hide the vision is a clear sign how damaged his relationship with his mother was at this point and how broken his trust in her was.
Ironically, if Bruno's decision was a result of broken trust in his mother...the same decision also broke her trust in him.
Let's look at it from her (sympathetic but misguided) perspective for a moment. Bruno's gift was something she had relied on in order to protect her family. And so many years later, no matter what the present attitude to his gift was, she still went to him in a difficult moment. So the fact that he essentially denied her that help would definitely feel like a huge betrayal - for Alma it probably looked like Bruno had betrayed the family and betrayed the miracle.
Those would be the understandable feelings of a traumatized woman who probably couldn't stand losing someone she loves yet again - believing Bruno betrayed and abandoned them because he doesn't care was likely a kind of coping mechanism to numb the grief.
Regardless of how understandable those feelings might be though, this coping mechanism was deeply unhealthy and harmful. What's more, the choice to paint Bruno as the bad guy shows horrible lack of self-awareness. And that lack of self-awareness only intensified the unhealthy environment in the family.
Because in the end, Bruno leaving the family should have been the wake-up call that the "perfect" family might have some issues to work through and something needs to change to avoid driving away anyone else. Alma might have not known Bruno's motives to leave, might have been understandably angry and hurt about him hiding the vision, but she definitely should have reflected on her own mistakes as a mother that led to Bruno making this decision.
Protecting the family and understanding the true miracle
But beyond how trauma shaped their relationship, I think there's something else at the core of the issue: their love for their family and their different understanding of what it means to protect it.
I talked about how Alma went to Bruno in a difficult moment, when she feared for the future of the miracle - and that the fact he never gave her the vision and simply ran away must have felt like a betrayal to the miracle.
In some way Bruno did betray the miracle - he betrayed the miracle in the way Alma understood the miracle at that point, as a source of magic more than anything else. And ironically, by doing so, Bruno showed that he actually understood what the miracle was truly about.
Alma was so fixated on protecting the miracle that she ended up losing sight of what was truly important and hurt the family. On the other hand, Bruno saw a threat to the miracle and yet still chose protecting his young niece's well being over anything else - one "giftless" little girl mattered more than the magic.
My point here isn't "Alma bad, Bruno good", that's a huge simplification. Both of those characters were very damaged and were going to unhealthy extremes to protect what was important to them. I'm not saying Bruno's decision to hide the vision was the "right" one or something to be glorified - I mostly think that it's a decision that should have never been made and again, the fact he felt he had to do that shows the deep rooted issues within the family.
But ultimately, he did have the right priority there - of course Mirabel's well being matters more than the magic. Every member of the family matters more than the magic. That's the whole point of the movie and the core of Alma's character arc - realizing that the family itself is the greatest gift.
And one detail I particularly like is that Alma and Bruno are the two people to tell Mirabel she's the real miracle in the end - it shows their values are finally on the same page and there's finally hope for mutual understanding between them.
#Encanto#encanto meta#bruno madrigal#alma madrigal#my meta#long post#bear with me writing long encanto meta again#a lot of this has probably been discussed before
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what really bugs me about strange world (2022) is how the characters all look alike:
4 of these 5 characters all have the same round eyes and round nose. it’s so boring to see. just because some of them are related doesn’t mean you can give them the same eye and nose shapes! where is the variety? where is the distinction between these faces?
if you compare these designs to disney’s earlier works, the uniformity becomes even more apparent.
here are some characters in disney’s encanto (2021). despite being related, these characters still have variety in character design!
and here are even more character designs from big hero 6 (2014)
characters dont look the same! even gogo tomago and honey lemon, who were criticized for having the same “disney face” have different eye and nose shapes!
so what is strange world’s excuse for having such similar character designs? encanto features a FAMILY as well, yet they’re all distinct and different from one another, with varying eyes and nose shapes, so why can’t strange world do the same? all 3 movies are from the same company and utilizes the disney art style, but both encanto and big hero 6 proved that even under the same art style, you can still have various facial features that could make characters that look different from one another!
what’s even sadder is that in strange world’s concept art, the characters look much more different:
(concept art by scott watanabe)
4 out of 5 of these characters are related, but they are still very distinct and varied! just because some characters are related doesn’t mean you could give them the same features!
what happened in the design process, disney? why are your character designs becoming more and more uniform? :(
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Thinking about this line, where Pepa is trying to comfort her baby after the magic leaves them:
Antonio, don’t cry, papito, don’t cry.
You can hear how heart-broken she is for her son... and at the same time it’s hard not to feel a stab of angst for Pepa, because she has to have heard “don’t cry” countless of times in her life: directed at her, and far less sympathetically.
#encanto#pepa madrigal#antonio madrigal#daily dose of pepa angst#i’m sure this has been discussed before#my writing#stuff i've posted
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dark skinned characters: exists
certain Twitter fan artists: allow me to shed some light(skin) on the subject
#twitter👎#art discussion#dark skin#KGKDJDJDHS#humor#is it really though#black art#encanto#encanto (2021)#camilo madrigal#dolores madrigal#etc
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Encanto conversations based off of things my friends and I have said #4
Mirabel: Y’know, bobbing for apples is a good way to murder someone.
Isabella: What?!
Mirabel: Or just die in general really. Like, if you wanted to kill someone, just stick poison in the water.
Camilo: Or you could shove them in so they drown.
Isabella: What, why are you adding to this, bobbing for apples is a delightfully fun game that-
Mirabel: I really don’t see the point in it to be honest. You spend thirty seconds semi-drowning yourself trying to grab an apple with your teeth-
Camilo: And all you get from it in the end is water inhalation, other peoples germs, and a bruised apple.
Mirabel: Precisely, so really the only good thing by about it is that you could murder someone with it and make it look like an accident.
Isabella: NOPE! I’m done. You two go be chaotic somewhere else.
Mirabel: *giggles* I love messing with her.
Camilo: You did make a good point though, care to go try and prove it?
*they walk away*
Isabella: These two, are going to be the death of us all.
TL:DR- Basically Mirabel and Camilo being chaotic and discussing the murderous ways of apple-bobbing, and Isabella being done with it all.
#encanto#encanto memes#besties discussing murder#funny post#camilo madrigal#mirabel madrigal#the many murderous ways of carnival games#isabella madrigal#bobbing for apples
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When Mirabel went to talk to "Dolores", who was actually Camilo, she told "her" that out of all her older cousins, Dolores was her favorite.
Notice how she said older cousins, not all cousins. And there's only one left.
Antonio is her favorite cousin.
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I'M SCREAMING AT THIS
DID I LIEEEEEE
#I’m not sorry#JULI BAGGED 👃#MEN WITH BIG NOSES#no because this is actually a very common discussion amongst my friend group BYE#agustin madrigal#julieta madrigal#encanto#sop answers🧍🏽♀️
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and on that note of knowing the cool sisters colors reflect the parent they’re closest with. Does this apply to warm family too?
all of them wear a shade of yellow except Dolores who only has yellow accents. Whilst red is still a warm color it’s also the brightest out of them. My sad theory is that this is something to do with Dolores being known as “isabelas shadow” so in order to stand out more from the yellows of the rest of her family dolores wears red to differentiate herself maybe? Red is also a color associated with romance which we know dolores longs for! red is passionate too! it’s a color that’s hard to miss and paired with the hair bow it makes it hard to overlook Dolores! The yellow accents and cream blouse still tie her back to her family but I think she just wants to stand out more so people stop associating her with being overlooked by isabela! that’s just my little hc though I’d be interested to hear other points on this because I don’t think Jared ever answered this?
#encanto#encanto disney#disneys encanto#dolores madrigal#encanto dolores#dolores encanto#warm family#encanto theory#encanto headcanons#encanto discussion#I really want to know why though#because isa only wears different colors from the rest of her family to show she’s closer with alma#I refuse to believe there isn’t a reason for this
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i promise i do not mean this as a diss on any level, especially because i do watch and enjoy game theory/film theory stuff on occasion (what can i say, i enjoy overanalysis) but. y’know. sometimes i look at the thumbnails and titles and such and go “no that’s. that’s not true. we both know that’s not true.”
yes i am very aware that they’re meant to be clickbait-y and the actual video very likely explains whatever point they’re making much better, and ultimately these are just fun explorations of ideas and such and (usually) not asserting these theories as The Definitive Answer, but. man.
#multi makes text posts#this is about the encanto theories b/c they showed up in my recommended and i just kinda :/#also about the stray theory b/c i still haven't played stray but i just kinda. sighed. when i saw that one in my recommended#edit: also pls i do not want to have a Discourse Discussion. i am Aware of shit matpat has said and done that's fucked up#not trying to defend anything or condemn anything. i'm just wanted to talk about how i feel seeing that
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Oh? You want me to stop going on about Fixation #1? I'm so sorry, of course, let's switch to a completely different topic and it is FIXATION #2 YOU FOOL!
That's right, I have crossed the Cringe Horizon. I am obsessed with TWO things at once and this gives me trickster god level power to destroy all of my friendships
#encanto#ofmd#with the power of these two franchises I have irritated almost everyone I know#I am the irritating conversation equivalent of someone who switches my sword to the other hand in the middle of a fight#oh#done with my second topic?#then here is a THIRD: I will discuss both at ONCE and how they COMPARE and CONTRAST#fandom equivalent of the fae#fandom#luckily my friends love me and also live in other states so out of melee range when I pull my shit#our flag means death
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Did I just cite Encanto into my essay for my Latine Literature class? Yes. Yes, I did. And I’m not even sorry about it.
#encanto#latine#latine literature#midterms#I was discussing the cultural and historical significance of multigenerational homes
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I can tell I am very delicate atm because just today I have very nearly cried to:
r/TheStraightsBeingOkay of a guy who was happy just to see the name of his wife on his phone
a manga about babysitting
NaruMitsu
discussing music with smol
art with some very beautiful leg expressions
and probably at least one other thing I’m forgetting
#I also got spooked by smol pointing to one of the wall scrolls to reinforce a point we were discussing because it was behind me#''What's back there???'' the primal part of my brain said#It is the wall scroll that I look at every day because it opposite my hammock#At least I'm not crying to bugs anymore#Yet#Again#Lol#Get me a spider and I'll cry to that no problem#I probably should just cry I haven't had a proper cry in a bit#I mean I did when we watched Encanto and Luca and the like but movies are a little different#It's still a good cry just on a slightly different level#Social crying is not as fun lol#Crying update
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Never in my life did i think i would have (non kh) disney related blorbos yet here we are
Maybe i'm jus latchin onto somethin to cope with my current situation but Encanto really do be affecting me rn
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