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bearhugsandshrugs · 5 months
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Ayo it's Gortash-conspiracy time, gather around.
Because this note you'll find outside the Zhentarim outpost at Waukeen's Rest is INTERESTING and led me down a rabbit hole. Uktar wrote a report for Keene about the upstart arms dealer Gortash and how he took over and replaced the existing networks. This is juicy for two reasons.
First, the Knights of the Shield. I had no clue who they were so I googled them, and hey, no biggie, it's only an organization that's been around for a THOUSAND YEARS, with a secret service leadership commited to the tenth (yes, you read that right) archdevil Gargauth (who was one of his enemies? You guessed it: Bane).
They were information brokers and political agents with a merchant front. And Gortash just annexed them. Took over their operations. Replaced them. The mind of this man. It really is no joke when everyone in-game talks about what a genius he is, because that type of shit requires not only planning, but a delicate hand to execute. It requires leadership and running a tight ship, and boy, do I find this interesting.
But second, and we already knew this but it hits me once again, the Zhentarim. Their leaders were associated Bane at some point but turned over to Cyric over history as well, with worshippers of Bane and Cyric in general being claimed by the other each time one of them was dealt a destabilizing blow. In consequence, the Zhentarim are listed as amongst the enemies of Bane.
Now to the tinfoil hat section of this. Unfortunately we have no date to this report, so it's hard to judge when Gortash started this. But I find it interesting how this all leads back to Bane again and again, how Gortash seems to wipe out organizations affiliated with Bane's foes. And it leaves me wondering, yet again, when exactly he got recruited or devoted himself to Bane. Was it during that time, when he wiped out those enemies and Bane took an interest in him? Or was that merely a test he had to pass to become the edict of Bane?
But then I'm also confused by Gortash's methods. Bane seems more tyrannical to me, whereas Gortash supplanted the networks. A tyrant might have made them grovel before him. Might have sowed fear and doubt and hate. Here, instead, Gortash just spins up his own operation. And he keeps doing that: He postures as this underdog noble man who worked his way to the top, he has this front, this act of being the hero (he even says so to Ketheric!). Being a hero is hardly something associated with outright tyranny, which would be Bane's classic modus operandi. Don't forget that it's not only about tyranny, it's also about fear and hate. Would you fear or hate your hero, your savior?
Do you know, however, whose modus operandi it would be to pose as a hero, only to dominate in the end? To infiltrate his oldest foe's followers, pose as his chosen one, only to subjugate them?
Cyric's.
He was "the god of lies, trickery, and strife, having previously held dominion over tyranny, murder, lies, intrigue, and illusion." His beef with Bane goes way back, so much so, that Cyric claims to have killed Bane before (oh, and he also killed Bhaal). He ascended to godhood as an exception granted by Ao, and took on all followers of (get this) Bhaal, Myrkul, and Bane. Now I'm aware I am fully in crackpot theory land. But how sweet would it have been if Gortash had actually been a follower of Cyric, not Bane; using the Bane-worship as a front.
It would explain why he's so ready to share his power with Tav/Durge (a true tyrant would never share power so easily – which is why I also think that if Gortash was actually a follower of Bane, he was trying to use Bane to his own advantage, which didn't really work out for him).
And Bane seems to have been skeptical of Gortash as well: He doesn't come to his aid in the fight against Tav/Durge, not even against the Netherbrain. Which is particularly juicy because Bane had the power to protect his chosen ones from psionic powers. (Yes. lol. Really) So if you take Gortash to the Netherbrain and the brain kills him with a thought, Bane could have protected him. And chose not to. Motherfucker
I know, this theory with Cyric has more holes than a Swiss cheese though, I'm fully aware, and I'm still learning the lore, so feel free to correct me. But it's fun to think about.
Anyway. Someone please release me from the chokehold this man has one me.
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effelants · 4 months
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My theory, which may or may not be 90% wishful thinking:
We get BG3 DLC, and it involves the Spellplague 2: Electric Boogaloo, beginning.
We get BG4, and it involves us bringing about the Third Sundering.
Please see attached conspiracy board as to why I think this.
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scarila · 4 months
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So hm. that bg3 withers epilogue note was definitely to cyric was it.
Take these three formerly-mortal-turned-gods in the category of doodles that got out of control
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deer-with-a-stick · 8 months
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"Oh Jergal gave up his portfolios so his power level is like that of a demi-god lol"
I am a firm believer that if Jergal had the motivation to, he would absolutely fuck up the Dead Three, Kelemvor, and Cyric's shit all at once. Just yoink the power back. Dude just doesn't give a fuck. Sure, he hates Cyric and the Dead Three, but no matter what kind of bullshit they get up to, they a) can't kill him and b) really won't interfere with his paperwork. The whole non-interference thing is very Death God of him. The guy's Lord of the End of Everything, but killing everything at much was too much work and actively holding the power was too boring for him lmao
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Potential ideas for an enemies to lovers X reader fic for the one and only Enver Gortash:
1.) Reader is the child of Raphael. It writes itself folks! Maybe Enver managed to escape because he stole one of her books about the Nine Hells? Potential witty banter about her wanting her book back!
2.) Reader is a cleric/paladin/warlock of Cyric, the God of lies, trickery, and strife. Cyric and Bane have a bitter hatred for each other due to Cyric occasionally stealing Bane's domains, and their followers tend to have a kill on sight policy for each other.
3.) Reader is a Cleric of Illmater, the goodest of the good gods. She spends her free time building orphanages, distributing medical supplies, and occasionally beating the daylights out of a a few corrupt flaming fist guards that are mean to the citizens of Baldur's Gate.
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wolfoflua · 7 months
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"I hate Mystra now"
"We need to kill Mystra"
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laughing-gunslinger · 4 months
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“I am The One, the All, the Face Behind the Mask. I am the Everything.”
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sauronpilled · 1 month
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thinking about Zhentilars and their unhealthy desire for companionships. how they had to rely on each other no matter the personal feeling, because everyone outside of Zhentil Keep could careless about them. thus creating an almost obsessive dependency between one another once they've become attached.
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dirtysenner · 3 days
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I don’t want to admit how long this took ;-;
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yukiabyss · 2 years
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mahiiimahiiii · 1 month
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So lore wise, Li'ia, my tav- worships cyric.
WHICH IS SO FUNNY TO ME BECAUSE CYRIC FUCKING KILLS MYSTRA.
This is how my brain sees it:
Gale: you've never told me whom you worship- I'm curious. I also personally feel because I am your beau- I should know.
Li'ia: ....you're not going to like this!!!!
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bearhugsandshrugs · 3 months
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Gortash Lore and Theories Masterpost
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Gortash's entire persona is about Raphael: Part 1 (his title and plot) and Part 2 (outfit)
Gortash and Karlach, and how he loathes her for reminding him of the goodness in him
Gortash is a Cyric worshipper, actually
Gortash's age
The way Gortash doesn't look like his parents
Gortash’s height
On whether Gortash was evil as a child
How Gortash would react to being revived by Tav
How Gortash escaped the HoH
On Gortash tadpoling his parents personally
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effelants · 4 months
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Thinking about Withers' note in the epilogue
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So, "dark sun", I think we're all fairly confident that that's in reference to Cyric (or is it??? WHAT IF SOMETHING ELSE???? but then there's also a lot of other Cyric references in the game, so I'm fairly confident about this take tbh).
But what is "white sky"?
Any theories, any ideas? I'm coming up short (read: "I have ideas, but legitimately all of them are too dumb and/or far-fetched to print"), and I'd hate to just assume that because I can't think of what it could be, it's just there for poetic effect djfkghsdg
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dishesorder · 1 year
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My dnd fanfiction is about a romance between Cyirc and Midnight
我的dnd同人短篇!是关于希瑞克和午夜的故事
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cimbernewfriend · 1 year
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Ladies if he follows Cyric he is a LIAR date his sibling who only tells the truth
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y-rhywbeth2 · 4 months
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So, I was looking through a new sourcebook for details on life in Faerûn for a post, and guess which godly jackass has MORE LORE. There's also more on Bhaal, but I'm focusing on cussing out Bane right now.
"Weakness and frivolity should be publicly destroyed for all to see and heed. Good is but a shelter for weakness and the whims of those who profess noble goals. Evil is the true state of nature, for winning is everything, and oppression is natural. Fight against good, and exalt evil. Tyrannize and destroy the weak, so that all in time become better and stronger, everyone knowing their place and not daring to question or foment disorder."
Goddamnit Bane, will you please take a fucking nap and calm the fuck down. "Frivolity should be publicly destroyed!" Even Bhaal lets his followers have hobbies!
Other fun Banite things:
"Kill a good person once a day." Bane will accept you thwarting their altruism if you must, but he'd really rather a murder.
Laws should be black and white and followed exactly as written no matter how stupid they are. Anybody who's arbitrary with them should be put to the death and replaced.
Turns out that after the death of the last High Imperceptor the hierarchy of the church went back to trying to kill each other for power. Good luck getting that back under control, asshole.
You don't have to wear something black! You just have to wear the holy symbol: the Hand of Bane! ...which is black. Things we can't have under Banite rule: hobbies, fun in general, critical thinking skills, a wardrobe containing colour...
Oh, I found more stuff on this asshole. Of course I fucking did. Fuck you Bane and your stupid levels of lore.
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