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Punctuating Dialogue
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➸ “This is a sentence.”
➸ “This is a sentence with a dialogue tag at the end,” she said.
➸ “This,” he said, “is a sentence split by a dialogue tag.”
➸ “This is a sentence,” she said. “This is a new sentence. New sentences are capitalized.”
➸ “This is a sentence followed by an action.” He stood. “They are separate sentences because he did not speak by standing.”
➸ She said, “Use a comma to introduce dialogue. The quote is capitalized when the dialogue tag is at the beginning.”
➸ “Use a comma when a dialogue tag follows a quote,” he said.
“Unless there is a question mark?” she asked.
“Or an exclamation point!” he answered. “The dialogue tag still remains uncapitalized because it’s not truly the end of the sentence.”
➸ “Periods and commas should be inside closing quotations.”
➸ “Hey!” she shouted, “Sometimes exclamation points are inside quotations.”
However, if it’s not dialogue exclamation points can also be “outside”!
➸ “Does this apply to question marks too?” he asked.
If it’s not dialogue, can question marks be “outside”? (Yes, they can.)
➸ “This applies to dashes too. Inside quotations dashes typically express—“
“Interruption” — but there are situations dashes may be outside.
➸ “You’ll notice that exclamation marks, question marks, and dashes do not have a comma after them. Ellipses don’t have a comma after them either…” she said.
➸ “My teacher said, ‘Use single quotation marks when quoting within dialogue.’”
➸ “Use paragraph breaks to indicate a new speaker,” he said.
“The readers will know it’s someone else speaking.”
➸ “If it’s the same speaker but different paragraph, keep the closing quotation off.
“This shows it’s the same character continuing to speak.”
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#nastywomanatlaw#writing#writing meme#tweet#wait theyre not called tweets anymore uhhhhhhhhh#writeblr#commas#editing: the great comma harvest#tags: half for getting it to other ppl and half a plea for me to be able to find the post on my own blog down the line
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If you’re ever insecure about how often you use commas or how long your sentences are I IMPLORE you to read the Treaty of Paris (1783), specifically article two.
510 words.
2 periods.
FIVE HUNDRED AND TEN WORDS.
A GRAND TOTAL OF TWO SENTENCES!
SIGNED BY DOZENS OF PEOPLE TO SET UP A TREATY AND AUTHORIZE LAND!!
Like don’t worry babes your 3 commas and semi colon are NOTHING to the revolution era and that’s what truly matters.
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To Comma or Not to Comma
THE CORRECT USE OF THE COMMA WHEN JOINING CLAUSES
Should you use a comma before and? What about before yet, then or if? This is one of the trickiest rules of punctuation to apply correctly: whether to use a comma when joining clauses. But do not fear; I am here to help by providing eight tips on this very subject.
Because this is a complex topic, I’ve created a handy flow chart to assist you. You can download it for free, and I would recommend having it at hand as you read through this post.
You can also listen to this post on YouTube or read it on the Gentle Sea Editing website.
FIRSTLY, WHAT IS A CLAUSE?
A clause is a group of words that includes a verb and a subject. So, Sarah writes books is a clause because it includes a verb (writes) and a subject (Sarah). Sarah is my favorite author is a clause, but my favorite author, Sarah is a phrase, because it does not contain a verb. In today’s post, we’re focusing on clauses.
1. COMMAS WITH INDEPENDENT CLAUSES: THE GENERAL RULE
The Chicago Manual of Style (CMoS) indicates that “when independent clauses are joined by and, but, or, so, yet, or any other coordinating conjunction, a comma usually precedes the conjunction.”
Now, you might be asking, “What the hell does that mean?” Don’t worry, I had the same reaction the first time I read it.
An independent clause is a clause that makes sense on its own. It is a complete sentence. It does not depend on another clause to give it meaning. In the sentence Damon drinks blood, because he is a vampire, Damon drinks blood is an independent clause. You can remove the rest of the sentence, and it would still make sense.
Coordinating conjunctions join clauses or phrases of equal importance. So, if you want to join two clauses and show that they are on equal footing, you would use a coordinating conjunction. The list of coordinating conjunctions is represented by the mnemonic “fanboys”: for, and, nor, but, or, yet, and so.
So, according to the general rule, if you want to join two independent clauses, like Taylor wrote the impactful lyrics and Jack produced the beautiful song, with a coordinating conjunction, you should add a comma before that conjunction. Here are some examples:
Taylor wrote the impactful lyrics, and Jack produced the beautiful song.
Taylor wrote the impactful lyrics, but Jack produced the beautiful song.
Taylor wrote the impactful lyrics, so Jack produced the beautiful song.
Taylor wrote the impactful lyrics, yet Jack produced the beautiful song.
This general rule also applies to imperative sentences—sentences that give the reader an instruction, make a request, or issue a command—in which the subject (you) is not expressly stated but understood. Here are some examples:
Help Queen Charlotte climb over the wall, or tell King George to spend time with her.
Buy two tickets to Barbie, and wait for me at the corner of Cornelia Street.
It also applies to questions, for example: Do we want to save Wallachia, or are we scared of Dracula?
2. COMMAS WITH INDEPENDENT CLAUSES: THE EXCEPTION
The English language is a wonderful thing; for every rule, there are plenty of exceptions. The general rule above is no exception.
If the independent clauses you are trying to join are very short and closely connected, the comma preceding the conjunction may be omitted, unless the clauses are part of a series. (See, even the exception has an exception.)
So, if you want to join two independent clauses, like Billie sang and Finneas played the piano, with a coordinating conjunction, you can do so without a comma, because these two clauses are short and closely connected:
Billie sang and Finneas played the piano.
Billie sang but Finneas played the piano.
Billie sang so Finneas played the piano.
This exception also applies to imperative sentences where the subject (you) is omitted but understood, e.g., Get up and stand tall.
However, a comma would still have to precede the coordinating conjunction if you are joining more than two clauses. Here’s an example:
Billie sang, Finneas played the piano, and I watched the show.
So, essentially, you should follow the general rule unless you are joining two very short and strongly related independent clauses.
3. COMMAS WITH COMPOUND PREDICATES: THE GENERAL RULE
According to the CMoS, “a comma is not normally used to separate a two-part compound predicate joined by a coordinating conjunction.”
Just one question: What??? Let's break it down.
What is a predicate? It is the part of a sentence or clause that describes the action but not the subject. So, in the sentence Oppenheimer created the atomic bomb, Oppenheimer would be the subject and created the atomic bomb the predicate.
A compound predicate occurs when two or more verbs share the same subject. So, if a single subject is shared by two or more clauses, and that subject is not repeated after the first clause, you’re dealing with a compound predicate. In the sentence I gambled with Jesper and ate waffles with Nina, the subject of both the predicates gambled with Jesper and ate waffles with Nina, is I. However, I is not repeated after the first clause. So, we’re working with a compound predicate.
Therefore, the general rule is: Do not use a comma when joining a compound predicate with a coordinating conjunction. Here are some examples:
Joe broke up with Taylor Swift and divorced Sophie.
Yennefer wanted to be a mother but could not have a baby.
You should join Jinx or listen to Vi.
4. COMMAS WITH COMPOUND PREDICATES: THE EXCEPTIONS
However, a comma may be necessary to prevent misreading or confusion even if you are joining a compound predicate with a coordinating conjunction. For example, in the sentence I recognized the man who attended the concert, and fainted, the comma before and is necessary to indicate that it is the speaker who fainted, not the man attending the concert. Here are more examples:
He loved the girl who rode a dragon, and wielded shadows.
She dislikes the man who has titanium teeth, but wears Yeezy shoes.
Additionally, you should also use a comma before the word then if it is being used as shorthand for and then even if that comma separates a two-part compound predicate. So, you would write: He attended her show and then gave her a friendship bracelet or He attended her show, then gave her a friendship bracelet.
Finally, the CMoS indicates that “compound predicates of three or more parts treated as a series are punctuated accordingly.” So, if you have a single subject performing three or more actions, you would use a comma before the coordinating conjunction. For example:
Selena attended the Golden Globes, released new music, and became a billionaire.
Victoria published a book, increased her Instagram following, and announced a book tour.
5. COMMAS WITH INTRODUCTORY DEPENDENT CLAUSES
Now that we’ve gotten independent clauses out of the way, let’s talk about dependent clauses. A dependent clause cannot stand as a sentence on its own and is connected to a main, independent clause. So, in the sentence Damon drinks blood, because he is a vampire, because he is a vampire is a dependent clause, since it does not make sense on its own. Subordinating conjunctions—like if, because, whether, or when—are used to join dependent and main clauses.
According to the CMoS, “when a dependent clause precedes the main, independent clause, it should be followed by a comma.” So, when the dependent clause comes first, you separate the clauses with a comma. Here are some examples:
If Sokka trains with Suki, he will become a better warrior.
Because Kim is a successful businesswoman, she gave a lecture at Harvard.
When Nyx is older, he will train with Cassian.
6. COMMAS WITH DEPENDENT CLAUSES THAT FOLLOW THE MAIN CLAUSE
If the main clause is followed by the dependent clause, you have to determine whether the latter is restrictive or nonrestrictive.
The CMoS clarifies that a dependent clause is restrictive if it is “essential to fully understanding the meaning of the main clause.” For example, in the sentence Sokka will become a better warrior if he trains with Suki, it isn’t certain that Sokka will become a better warrior. The dependent clause if he trains with Suki adds information that is vital to understanding the main clause. Therefore, it is a restrictive dependent clause.
If a restrictive dependent clause follows the main clause, you should not place a comma before the conjunction. Here are two examples:
Nyx will train with Cassian when he is older.
Kourtney wasn’t mad because of the fashion show; she was mad because of the timing.
A dependent clause is nonrestrictive if it is not essential to the meaning of the main clause. For instance, in the sentence Margot is a good actress, whether you like her or not, the dependent clause whether you like her or not can be omitted without changing the meaning of the main clause.
If a nonrestrictive dependent clause follows the main clause, the subordinating conjunction should be preceded by a comma. Here are two examples:
I’d like to watch Mean Girls, if you don’t mind.
He arrived hours later, when the movie was already over.
However, sometimes this can be a tricky differentiation to make. Take the sentence Kourtney wasn’t mad because of the fashion show. Without the comma, Kourtney is still mad, just not about the fashion show. Add a comma before because, and the fashion show becomes the reason she’s not mad. The CMoS’s advice? “If in doubt, rephrase.”
7. COMMAS WITH INTERVENING DEPENDENT CLAUSES
When a dependent clause is located between two other clauses, meaning that the two conjunctions are right next to each other, the conjunctions don’t have to be separated by a comma. Here are some examples:
Violet tried to decipher the journal for days, but if Dain had not given her advice, the truth would have remained concealed.
Zuko stood up for the soldiers, and when his father ordered him to fight back, he refused.
They decided that if Percy didn’t return the lightning bolt, he wouldn’t see his mother.
Technically, there’s nothing wrong with adding a comma in between these conjunctions. In fact, it might even be preferred in certain cases for emphasis or clarity.
8. COMMAS WITH RELATIVE CLAUSES
Finally, let’s look at relative clauses. A relative clause provides information about a noun. For instance, in the sentence The book that she wrote years ago was published this year, that she wrote years ago is a relative clause, because it tells us more about the noun (book).
According to the CMoS, “restrictive relative clauses are never set off by commas from the rest of the sentence.” As with dependent clauses, a relative clause is restrictive if it provides information that is crucial to understanding the rest of the sentence. In the example above, the reader wouldn’t have known which book the author is referring to without the relative clause that she wrote years ago, so no commas are used. Restrictive relative clauses are usually introduced by the pronouns that, who, whom, or whose. Here are some examples:
I prefer to support politicians who stand up against genocide.
The joke that he made at the Golden Globes was sexist.
The author whose work I like the most has just released a new book.
This rule applies even when these pronouns are omitted:
The movie I just watched won an Academy Award.
The people we follow on social media have a big impact on our lives.
A nonrestrictive relative clause, on the other hand, is not essential to the identity of the noun to which it refers. In the sentence Sarah’s House of Flame and Shadow, which I finished last night, is a great book, the relative clause which I finished last night can be omitted without changing the meaning of the sentence. So, it is nonrestrictive. Nonrestrictive relative clauses are set off from the rest of the sentence by commas. These clauses are usually introduced by which, who, whom, or whose. Here are some examples:
I prefer to read about scholarly characters, who are less likely to be ignorant.
Madelyn Cline, whose most famous movie is Glass Onion, was seen with Pete Davidson.
The talk show, which recently featured Sydney Sweeney, has celebrities eating spicy food as they answer questions.
So, to sum up (TL; DR):
• If you want to join two independent clauses with a coordinating conjunction, you should add a comma before that conjunction unless the two clauses are short and closely connected.
• Do not use a comma when joining a compound predicate with a coordinating conjunction unless:
o a comma is necessary to prevent a misreading;
o then is being used as shorthand for and then; or
o a compound predicate of three or more parts is being treated as a series.
• If a dependent clause precedes a main, independent clause, add a comma after the dependent clause.
• If a restrictive dependent clause follows a main clause, do not add a comma before the subordinating conjunction.
• If a nonrestrictive dependent clause follows a main clause, you should add a comma before the subordinating conjunction.
• When a dependent clause is located between two other clauses, meaning that the two conjunctions are right next to each other, the conjunctions don’t have to be separated by a comma.
• A restrictive relative clause is not set off with commas.
• A nonrestrictive relative clause is set off with commas.
There you have it; those are the rules for comma usage when joining clauses, at least in terms of the CMoS. In the wise words of Neil Gaiman: “It’s that easy, and that hard.”
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okay what it the difference between ; and ,
and - and —
thank you
Great questions! These ones are pretty quick, so I'll give the basics.
There's two main instances where you use a semicolon: when you're joining two independent clauses, and when you're making a list of three or more things proceeded by a comma.
Okay quick refresher on dependent vs independent clauses. independent clauses can stand on their own. They're a full sentence in and of themselves. This means they at least have one (1) noun, and one (1) verb that that noun is attached to.
So. Basically. You use them when you want to make two full sentences into one coherent thought. Usually, this could just as easily be achieved by popping a comma and a conjunction in there, but sometimes the sentences are more complex or separate, and a semicolon works as kinda an in-between version of commas and periods.
I'll do some examples with commas, semicolons, and separate sentences so you can see how similar they are. It's usually a stylistic choice.
I went to the store today, and I got three dozen eggs.
I went to the store today. I got three dozen eggs.
I went to the store today; I got three dozen eggs.
In that example, all of them work just fine. It's more a matter of how long a mental pause you want your reader to have between 'went to store' and 'got eggs'.
(quick reminder that 'I went to the store today, and got three dozen eggs' would be incorrect because your comma cuts off the verb 'got' from the noun 'I'. Either repeat the noun to make the phrase 'got three dozen eggs' independent, OR just drop the comma. 'I went to the store today and got three dozen eggs' is also grammatically correct. I will go more into nuances like this in the comma post).
The other way you use semicolons is in lists, but specifically lists that are proceeded by a colon. You usually want to use a colon list when the listed items are more complex and likely to have commas of their own.
Here's an example.
I need to go to the store today to buy eggs, apples, milk, and bread.
That's a simple list with simple elements. But when the elements get more complex, using just commas gets confusing. For example...
Some of my favorite books are Farenheight 451, Girl, Interrupted, Arcanum Unbounded, and The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
See how messy that gets? Is 'The lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe' one book or three? They read less clearly, so require a little more precision.
A better version of this sentence would be...
Some of my favorite books are: Fahrenheit 451; Girl, Interrupted; Arcanum Unbounded; and The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
By using semicolons, you're able to better separate complex list elements, and the colon lets the reader know to be reading it as such. It's just a little neater. Like a folder inside a folder to help find things easier.
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Em dash (--) and En dashes (-) are pretty simple. They're called that becuase the double one (which tumblr won't format right, but it's the -- one) is the length of an m and the single one (-) is the length of an n.
Anywho.
En dashes go between words that are being used as one word, while em dashes are used between phrases.
Em dashes are more stylized, used between phrases to expound on the first -- like so.
En dashes are used more practically. When two words are being used as a single adjective. It's just a way to quickly and elegantly compound words to create an image.
A blue-clad knight. Pent-up anger. Ever-falling snow.
En dash (single -) will always be shoved between words without spaces on either side. The em dash (double --) will always be between phrases with a space on both sides.
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As a disclaimer, I usually just do n dashes instead of m when I write on tumblr purely because the formatting sucks. In more formal environments, I make sure it formats correctly.
Hope that helps!
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help im being attacked
#COMMAS#COMMAS I CAN SEE YOU#MARSHI AND ARI I CAN SEE YOU GUYS TOO#HELP IM BEING DROWNED IN BOOPS#im not even being booped now im being regularly patted#explodes#anon rambles#anon rambles in the tags
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come get your daily commas,,, they,re fresh from the typewriter,
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enough about how you should be able to edit tags you should be able to add fucking commas to them
#i suffer from a problem called using commas to indicate pauses in text#i also suffer from hating periods in that regard#like try to add a comma to a tag im p sure it’s gonna post directly#and then i gotta rewrite the tag and rephrase it without the comma#ough#commas#thinking my thoughts#grammar#?
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Ayra Starr - Commas
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Writing Tips
Comma Rules
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→ to separate three or more words, phrases, or clauses written in a series
⤑ Bob’s children are named Tina, Gene, and Louise.
⤑ note: some places do not use a comma when and is used
→ to separate independent clauses when they are joined by any coordinating conjunctions
⤑ examples: and, but, or, for, nor, so, yet
⤑ Elena loves Stefan, but she is in love with Damon.
→ after introductory clauses
⤑ Because the Lannisters always pay their debts, Bronn accepted the commission.
→ to set off clauses not essential to the sentence
⤑ Jess Day is, as you have probably noticed, very quirky.
→ to separate two or more adjectives that describe the same noun when the word and could be inserted between them
⤑ Geralt is a strong, stoic man.
→ to separate direct quotation from the rest of the sentence
⤑ “This is the way,” Mando said.
→ to avoid possible confusion or misreading
⤑ To Stede, Ed was the greatest pirate to ever live.
→ to surround a name or title
⤑ You know nothing, Jon Snow.
→ to separate a statement from a question
⤑ You love me, don’t you?
→ to separate contrasting parts of a sentence
⤑ Aegon Targaryen is the rightful heir, not Daenerys.
→ when beginning sentences with introduction words
⤑ examples: well, now, yes, no
⤑ Yes, I enjoy fantasy and science fiction.
→ to surround interrupters
⤑ examples: therefore, however
⤑ Daryl, therefore, always carries his crossbow.
→ geological names
⤑ Walter White lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico, for years.
→ dates
⤑ They met on January 1, 2022, at a party.
→ addresses
⤑ Sherlock lives at 221B Baker Street, London, England.
→ titles in names
⤑ Hannibal Lecter, M.D., is a very good psychiatrist.
➽ (my dad told me this when I was kid and it always helped me) a comma goes wherever you would normally pause while speaking
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This is the outfit I want to see Louis in please. A Commas crocheted polo shirt and Bode shorts x
#kit connor#Helen Seamons#Louis would look gorgeous in this#@ Louis#the guardian#fashion#bode#commas#mine
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European comma (Polygonia c-album) photos I took 17/07/2023, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK
#nature#nature photography#animal#animals#wildlife#animal photography#wildlife photography#british nature#wild#wild animals#commas#comma#nymphalidae#orange#orange butterfly#comma butterfly#butterflies#butterfly#butterfly photography#lepidoptera#insect photography#invertebrate#insect#invertebrates#insects#entomology#bug#bugs#british wildlife#wild animal
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Grammar post!!! God bless America..
I HATE commas before the word "and" in ANY sentence.. Please forgive me.
Also a couple of dots at the end of sentence is okay - suggesting a natural conversation.. Survey says!
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Thoughout my youth I got a lot of shit from adults (esp my Former English Teacher Mom) (those are a different breed than regular moms) about how often I said “like”.
Most of them comforted themselves by saying I’d stop doing it as much as I got older and eventually I’d laugh at myself for it just like they did
Instead now when I catch myself doing it whether verbally or in writing I can stop myself and go “Wait, is that necessary? No? Well, it conveys the tone/meaning/vibe I’m trying to get across better than I can say without it. It stays”
Which I think is pretty cool and sexy of me and also reminds me of the time in high school we had to read an article about proper comma usage and then write a response about what we learned from it and I said this
(Comment was my teacher’s response)
#dumbass academia#commas#‘like’#my beloveds#I will never stop overusing you#high school stuff#childhood stuff#it started when I was young#the like thing I mean#like third grade I think#and commas ig probably would’ve been around the same time#since that’s when I started really writing stories and essays and stuff#huh#never connected those two dots but they sure do make a line
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