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#being a gender isn't about aesthetics please talk to a gender non conforming person for once in your life
balteus · 10 months
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some of yall are so misogynistic it's not even funny
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cafeleningrad · 3 years
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Do you think there is like queer mode of straight attraction? This anon is supposedly a straight woman (questioning both, currently), but their interest in men is solely the opposite their culture sees as attractive in men: vulnerability, femininity, cuteness. In the end, anon's list of attractive men ends up being made mostly of Japanese fictional characters and visual kei artists (big fan of Yohio, but can it be race fetishism?), but they dont really have anyone to talk about it.
Hello dear anon,
please excuse my delay. I wanted to give your ask a proper thought and a well structured response, not an array of possible meandering. On impulse I would've responded: "Actually not, you like what you like." yet I had to reconsider that I feel comfortable in my bisexuality, and having a type that's not necessarily the typical beauty standart (by example, I find Chris Hemsworth personally unappealing), and therefore might not give you a statisfying answer for your current situation.
My short answer would remain "you like what you like", additioned with "even if you you feel certain to like men, we still carry a certain cultural bias that certain genders are a certain way they're culturally expected to behave. Gender-nonconforming fashion styles doesn't make a man any less of a man but can be socially perceived as outlandish already."
(And in my usual fashion brevity isn't my virtue of wit, so I wrote the rest under the cut.)
These aren't final answers but rather attempts of mine to offer you starting points for your train of thought, in the hope that they're any use for you. Of course you can feel free to ask further questions or DM me. :) Generally, I think you've no rush to find a label for yourself. Currently the trend goes to name every variation - simply coming up with a neo-latin-greco-composition doesn't actually bring something into existence neither does it need to be. What's more important should be your positbility to take your time exploring your preferences and sexuality within a space in which you can ask questions. Please do not forget that such a journey doesn't necessarily end at the station of an established label (if it does, that's also good for you!) but rather you being comfortable with your attraction and yourself. A question you could ask yourself if you think that this statement doesn't statisfy you, if you could also imagine women dressing up in the Visual Kei style you find aesthetically attractive. You don't have to constantly second guess yourself to force yourself to a quick answer. That will only make you constantly worried and you have to give yourself to sort your thoughts but also to let things naturally come to you and not getting stuck a certain points because you feel you've to convince yourself you should stay there.
See, as I try to find stepping stones in this conversation I always land on the distinction between "gender norms" and "gender identity". Again, a lot in what we see in a gender is linked to the expression of their role, behaviors (!) and look (!) culturally expected, but deviation from it is considered as "queer" already even if the man in question isn't trans or actually queer. (They can be but I hope to make my point that gender non conformity isn't queer in itself.) (Usually I'm not a big fan of YT-pseudo-social-comment folk but this one video by Pierre Xo was some I found potentially relevant to your question.)
Of course, there're different level of attractions, like aesthetic attraction that we enjoy looking at something, or sexual attraction, things we like to look at and get aroused by, and romantic attraction drawing us in in behaviors, habits, and personalities we feel attracted to. All of that can fall together, certainly. So, you describe your attraction of men in a specific way of presentation typically more associated with feminine traits. Of course, there's a larger discussion about every single aspect about gender-nonconformity and cultural ideals of "typically masculine" and "typically feminine" but I try to make to make it short, gender identity is independant of "typical" representation within a culture. Even if "typical" social presentation of gender (in Western context heavily linked to the sex assigned at birthed) runs through expectation of clothing, manner of speech, body ideal and behavior, that doesn't mean that identifying oneself with certainty with a certain gender while not performing the typically social gender-identifiers doesn't take away from a person's own gender identity. That said, types can totally be a thing. Of course there can be strong cultural and environmental influences running through what we find pretty still, it's okay to be a bit shallow in what we find aesthetically attractive, that simply shouldn't influence how we treat others. Say, if your ideal look for men to you is slim bodies, the opposite form the current ideal of buff, muscly dudes (I totally get you there), playing with "typical" gender signifiers, which is currently common in East Asian pop-culture (especially the boy-group subcultures) that can well be your physical type. All in all, having a preference for androgynous men when considering yourself straight is not out of the normal or a special mode for your sexuality but a preference towards physical types. Like some prefereing buff, or chubby, or lanky guys. *shrugs*
On the note of "typical" behavior linked expected as "norm" from certain genders: You mentioned vulnerability and cuteness as traits you like in men. These are in a Western context not necessarily encouraged if not ridiculed in a Western context. But men can actually more sensitive, and in times in which more personal public self presentation be practiced with less risks, even more in artistic spaces where some extrordinary self presentation and behavior is more kinda part of the artistic cliché, men have more a chance to act out of the gender norm. I will put it like this, I have good friendships with guys and they didn't have too much trouble to also talk about relationships or personal sorrows without feeling they were acting out of the norm, and never put up macho behavior when I was around. But typical examples of reclusive, constant aggressive men exist, I met them, and decided I didn't need them in my life. Yet the latter category is still a prevalent model in Western society. This type of bundle of behaviors is something I can perfectly understand why it's unappealing, and why behavior we typically apply to be "feminine" virtues like vulnerability, empathy, open emotions are refreshing, if not more inviting. Especially in a romantic context.
Well, that was all quiet verbose.... >.< Still I hope to have given you some ideas you can toss around. And again, you can feel free to ask any time, my DMs or ask box are open :)
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