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ohmydamgods · 2 years

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“Percy agreed that Luke was a hero. You can’t just change that because you don’t like it.” No no no, it’s okay. I know Percy personally. He told me he was lying straight through his teeth. He only said that so he wouldn’t upset Annabeth. What a good boyfriend <33

#isn’t he such a sweetheart??#jule.txt #percy jackson #anti luke castellan #anti-luke castellan

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asleepinglaurel · 1 month

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Show-only Luke defenders are going to have a heart attack during the spy reveal scene

#percy jackson show #Anti-luke Castellan #silena beauregard #the last olympian

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thaliasthunder · 11 months

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the entire camp half blood is literally just fucking lucky nico has a problem with sacrificing himself for the people he loves because if he was actually vengeful and grunge holder as rr claimed him to be, they all would not have lasted a fucking day in the battle of manhattan after he had decided to join luke

#percy babe if nico wasnt fucking head over heels for u you would've died AGES AGO #just remembered how shitty everyone was to my son so #here's an anti the entire chb post <3 #nico di angelo #hoo #pjo #pjo/hoo #percy jackson #rick riordan #jason grace #hazel levesque #piper mclean #frank zhang #annabeth chase #luke castellan #leo valdez #riordanverse #anti percy

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perseas-wellyboots · 2 months

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The Luke Castellan problem in PJO books and Fandom

I just finished rereading the pjo series for the dozenth time and I have so many thoughts about Luke and how the fandom woobified him.

Like no Luke did not have the right idea and executed it in the wrong way. He wasn't a misguided victim, although there is no doubt Kronos manipulated him. But him being manipulated does not absolve him of his wrongdoings. Hurt people can still hurt people, you can be abused and still become an abuser.

Most of Fandom's idea of Luke being a 'hero' because he did the right thing in the end is extremely doozy like ok he killed himself to stop Kronos but that does not absolve him the blame of killing innocent people.

While Luke's main goal was the destruction of Gods, that was not because he wanted the demigods to have better lives. He actively killed demigods.

In the Sea of Monsters, when Percy, Annabeth and Tyson snuck into Princess Andromeda; they saw 12 year olds being trained how to kill a 'dummy in camp half blood tshirts'. He was actively exploiting children and manipulating them into killing other children and saw nothing wrong with it.

He only considered deflecting from Kronos when he found out that he was going to be possessed by him.

He only worked and cared for him, he was so lost into power and revenge that HE became a monster.

"Oh but he cared for Thalia and Annabeth!!" I'll get into that later too

I think Luke's fatal flaw contrary to the opinion of fandom is The Urge to Prove Himself.

He had one conversation with Hermes which made him angry and bitter and Thalia even notes that after that conversation Luke got into more and more fights with monsters like he had something to prove which Annabeth didnt seem to see as a problem since he was her hero. They got into more skirmishes because of his recklessness, fighting more monsters since Luke wanted to pick a fight with each one he came across.

(Conversation from PJO, The Last Olympian)

His fatal flaw being to Prove Himself would explain why he took the failure of his quest so hard that the night he returned from the quest was the same night Kronos started speaking to him for the first time. It didn't help that when he returned from his failed quest, the campers treated him with pity.

He wanted to pull Olympus down stone by stone because He failed his quest that he didn't want to do because it was already done by Hercules once. 🥴

His endgame has nothing to do with wanting to help ANYBODY. He wanted to take down gods because he had a grudge against them and wanted to Prove that he could do it. Everything else comes secondary if it fits his agenda.

This is one of the reasons why it bothers me so much when people say that Luke had the right idea or that Percy would have joined Kronos if Sally had died like you fundamentally misunderstood the character of Percy if you think he would have joined Kronos.

He talks about "driving humanity back into caves, all except the strongest - who would serve him" THIS IS LITERALLY FASCISM???

(According to Merriam-Webster, Fascism is a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression)

Now onto the topic of Thalia, Annabeth and Luke

First of all, I absolutely hate that 'Thalia and Luke had a thing before she got turned into a tree bit' because Thalia was 12 and Luke was 14 when they met and Thalia was 15 and Luke was 20-21ish when they meet again in TTC ugh hate that.

Now TTC, where to begin, here I used to believe Luke had already bathed in river Styx as there are some narrations where Percy notes that Luke looked worse and like his scar was reopened and would certainly explain how he survived the cliff fall but on my rereading I realised that Thalia and Luke fought when Percy was holding the sky and Thalia injured Luke so nvm then.

It is however in this book that Luke began to realise Kronos's plan for him as it is implied by the General and he starts to fear for his life.

Mind you, what did Luke think would happen if Thalia did agree to join Kronos when he knew Kronos was looking for a host of body...

Luke is many things, he is cunning, manipulative, a great swordsman but what he is not is stupid. If Thalia would have agreed then Kronos would have used Thalia as a vessel 😬

And oh boy the can of worms that is Luke and Annabeth. I've seen many Luke fans/apologists deny that there is no canon evidence of Luke being romantically interested in Annabeth BUT THERE IS?? they refuse to believe and call Annabeth an unreliable narrator because otherwise their uwu white boy would be a Pedophile. Even if he wasn't a Pedo, he manipulated Annabeth so many times to make her sympathise with her and use her emotions against her.

(excerpts from various books: TLO, TLO, BoTL, MoA annabeth's pov)

^ Annabeth was 15 almost 16 or already 16 I believe when Luke asked her to run away with him in a romantic sense and he was 21-22.

also another evidence adding to the theory of his fatal flaw having proving himself.

Now, onto the topic of CHB and Luke:

Luke being hesitant to attack camp half blood in BotL has less to do with him suddenly growing a spine (as some fans suggest) and more to do with the inevitable possession.

When Kronos informs that he will himself lead the attack, Luke advises to use Hyperion instead because he knows for Kronos to attack it in person, he would finally possess Luke.

(first one is from TTC, the other two from BoTL)

One of the last things I wanna talk about is Silena Beauregard & Luke and Luke's portrayal in the new Percy Jackson series:

Luke was 17 when Kronos started speaking to him and 19 when he left the camp. Silena was 17-18 when she died which makes her 13-14 when Luke left the camp in TLT and 11-12 when Kronos first started talking to him. Adult Luke charmed an underage girl, and promised her that she was helping the demigods and then when she tried to stop, he started blackmailing her. [excerpts from TLO]

According to the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children UK, Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. The relationship a groomer builds can take different forms. This could be: a romantic relationship, as a mentor, an authority figure, a dominant and persistent figure. They might use blackmail to make a child feel guilt and shame or introduce the idea of 'secrets' to control, frighten and intimidate.

So canonically, Book!Luke is a fascist groomer pedophile.

Now on the new Disney+ Percy Jackson show, it seems that Rick Riordan is subtly rewriting the character of Luke and removing the more problematic aspect of him (pedophile and grooming). Let me explain why I think that:

Even though in TLT the book, Luke describes Annabeth as his little sister we know how well that lasted but I don't think they are keeping Annabeth's crush on him on the show from what I've seen (though I could be wrong).

Secondly, the casting of Dior Goodjohn as Clarisse puts Clarisse on the same age range as Luke, maybe a year or two younger but in the first book Clarisse was 13-14 and she was 17 in TLO, so they have aged her up. It is my assumption that they will also age Silena by casting a 17-19 yr old actress as her.

And they have made Luke far more sympathetic in the show than the books (him not calling a hellhound during capture the flag and no pit scorpions in the finale), but we wouldn't know how sympathetic or villainous they are making him until season 2 comes out. Charlie Bushnell gives an excellent performance imo

Though this again reflects the double standards it comes to PJO, they have given much grace and praise for the changes made to Luke's character and little to no complaint for ageing up Clarisse but the hate Walker and especially Leah are given is so cruel. Leah has been so much racially targeted though I think she's an excellent Annabeth, just something to think about.

Also, before I forget-

We don't give enough flack to Rick Riordan for writing two weird age dynamics without recognising as grooming and pedophilic nature. (Lukabeth and Caleo/Capercy)

The characters are never made to realise (especially Annabeth) that an older person having feelings for them as a minor is not a normal behaviour.

Especially in regards to Calypso who may take the form of a 15 year old but is actually more than 4612 (according to the riordan wiki) and her having a crush on 14 year old Percy and 15-16 yr old Leo Valdez, not to mention how rudely she treated Leo. Also her cursing Annabeth because Percy left her. Not only is it plain nasty but she's never called out. Its actually so disgusting🤕.

Anyways this turned into a long rant but I would love to read your opinions, especially on Luke's fatal flaw.

I know for some people it may seem like I'm too hard on him but this is just my opinion.

IMO I have no problem if you like a morally bad or gray person, an antihero or a villain as long as their bad deeds aren't swept under the rug and pretend they never happened or glorify their good deeds.

I actually think villian's bad things make them more interesting.

Luke is an antagonist and a villain of the PJO series and a part of being a villain is that some people are going to hate you and that's ok.

Me personally, I was never a fan of his and that's ok.

I know some people are going to bring up the fact that Percy in MoA sympathises but the PJO characters are complicated and Luke was very skilled at making others think of his reason to destroy the Gods the way they would sympathise the most and we see that multiple times.

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jasontoddssuper · 6 months

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Hey full offense but why is it more accepted/popular to ship Miles with a man his dad's age and Percy with a guy who he only interacted with when he was a minor than it is to ship them with girls who aren't Gwen and Annabeth.No really,Spiderverse and Riordanverse fandoms,i'd love to hear your reasoning.Hit me

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hermesmyplatonicbeloved · 3 months

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This might just be a crack theory, but I think the reason why the fandom is so hell-bent on saying that Luke is a pedo despite never seeing him prey on Annabeth is because it hides the real issue those ppl don't want to talk about: Annabeth's crush on Luke and her apologism.

I mean. In tlt, Annabeth was crushing so badly on Luke that she couldn't even hug him without turning tomato red. She was literally panting from it. Head over heels in love with the boy (man?) that for all intents and purposes was her pusedo older brother/father figure.

And then there's the apologism. Annabeth's Luke!Apologism started at the end of ttc, and went straight until the final minutes of the battle of Manhattan. So, knowing that Luke:

Tried to start WW3 between Zeus and Poseidon, would've killed millions/billions and torn the parthenon apart

Nearly succeeded in killing Thalia

Nearly succeeded in killing everyone at camp who was protected by Thalia's tree

Nearly succeeded in killing Percy, supposedly her friend (possibly best friend)

Actually killed 4 people in the battle of the labyrinth

Severely injured and killed many demigods in the battle of Manhattan

She still believes in him and thinks he's doing good? I'm sorry what? Girl, he tried to kill literally everyone but you. He poisoned Percy and Thalia supposedly the two people closest to you. What the actual fuck. No wonder Katie thought you were the spy.

#percy jackson #pjo #percy jackson and the olympians #rick riordan #anti annabeth chase #anti percabeth #annabeth chase critical #critical annabeth chase #critical percabeth #luke #luke castellan #unpopular topics #it needs to be said tho #katie gardener

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the-one-and-only-aroace · 1 year

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What I need people to understand is that Percy will never “open up his eyes” to how bad the gods are. Out of the olympians, Luke and him, he’s the only one who actually understands how and in what ways they’re bad.

Luke, he just feels abandoned. He hates Hermes not because he’s a god, but because he’s a deadbeat father. The gods corruption, the constantly fighting monsters, the just general incompetence, he could care less about. He only even thinks about those things because he’s been manipulated by Kronos. Does anyone at camp care that any mistress of Zeus has been killed wrongfully? No. Should they? Not really. Pretty much every demigod who joined Kronos’s side is doing it for purely selfish reasons. Kronos has just dressed it up in pretty words about overthrowing the gods.

Percy, however? He wants an end to the corruption. He doesn’t just want revenge against his father for abandoning him. He wants change to happen, with or without the gods. He’s one of the only people who knows the titans are worse not because of family loyalty, but because they’re just actually shit. He could care less about Poseidon, they’ve made their peace. That doesn’t mean he thinks the gods are good, he just knows that the titans are worse.

The titans are quite literally worse in every way except not abandoning their demigod kids. Kronos’s army would realize that at a greater scale if they weren’t just kids looking for revenge. Percy recognizes that because his feelings have been dealt with instead of just left to simmer for years and years

#percy jackson #luke castellan #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #this isn’t anti anyone btw #did they have a right to feel the way they did?#ofc #the gods do suck #it’s just #it’s really obvious that these teenagers only wanted revenge #as soon as you think about it

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once-upon-an-animation · 1 month

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So over the past few weeks, I’ve been toying with the idea of writing a retelling of the OG series from Annabeth’s perspective.

I’m interested in doing this because though I loved the PJO when I was a child, as I grow older, I find myself craving more nuance from the stories and the characters than what’s already there on the page. I thought hopefully the show would fulfill me, but uhh….amazing character depth is not one of the things I’d call the show’s biggest strong suits, at least not for Annabeth.

Now, I’m aware of the “Daughter of Wisdom” series on AO3, a fanfic series that does the exact same thing. I read that fic years ago and enjoyed it; I thought at the time that the fic was well done. However, I have a lot of ideas for scenes and details that I don’t think really showed up in that fic series, and so I find myself craving to create the POV for Annabeth and certain aspects of CHB that I’ve always wanted to see. I also wanted to spend more time emphasizing emotions and growth for Annabeth in a fic like this, and actually have her challenge and address her pride, sort of like a “I’m overcoming my biggest flaw” journey. I want to write this series from a sympathetic yet honest perspective about Annabeth’s life and her traits…including the traits that are not so pretty.

And so I want input from y’all on what you think would be worth including in a fic like this, and if there’s anything from the OG books that I should change, twist, replace, remove, deepen, or add something new. Here’s a list I already have going:

- emphasis on Annabeth’s relationship with Chiron and how it develops

- more emphasis on Annabeth’s relationship with Grover and how they get along when Percy isn’t there. Do they talk about Percy? And what do they think of each other? Does Grover feel intimidated by Annabeth, or feel like maybe she’s not proud of him because he let her down with the Cyclops incident and Thalia getting killed? Maybe at the end of the quest in TLT, before Percy gets back from Olympus, Annabeth reassures Grover that he’s a great protector and that she doesn’t resent him at all.

- Annabeth’s view of Luke and how/why it becomes complicated; how Annabeth reconciles the objectively bad things Luke has done with her desire for his redemption

- an emphasis on Annabeth and Thalia’s relationship after Thalia returns. How has it changed, Thalia remarking on Annabeth’s growth and teasing her about her crush on Percy, Annabeth helping Thalia cope with the loss of Luke to the “dark side” and also helping Thalia cope with how much the world has changed in 5 years and how Thalia now feels so out of place, Thalia helping Annabeth cope with continuous family struggles

- an emphasis on Annabeth’s relationship with other Athena children. Do they like each other? Hate each other? Are they competitive, all vying for their mom’s attention? Do they share some of Annabeth’s struggles; were their mortal parents also unimpressed about receiving a child they didn’t plan for?

- Annabeth’s relationship with other kids at camp: namely Clarisse, Silena, Beckendorf, and the Stoll Brothers (no, I don’t ship Connabeth, btw). But I also want to flesh out Katie Gardner and Pollux/Castor too.

- a proper resolution to Annabeth’s family drama that yes, recognizes how Frederick had a baby sprung on him that he didnt consent to, and how Mrs. Chase had no idea how to take care of a kid with special needs, but a resolution that also validates Annabeth’s feelings and highlights the ways in which Mr. and Mrs. Chase messed up and failed her with their poor choices.

- a new interpretation of Luke’s “did you love me”question

- An on-page apology from Annabeth to Rachel

- Annabeth’s relationship with her little brothers and how they might still try to love each other in context of their family drama, and not repeat the sins of their parents (breaking generational curses!)

- more emphasis on Annabeth and Athena’s relationship, and how Annabeth evolves from thinking her mother is this image of perfection, to realizing that Athena is just as faulty as the other gods and goddesses, and that Annabeth has a strength over Athena in that Annabeth has a bigger sense of humanity, and can change and adapt when she’s not doing something well. Annabeth can evolve in ways Athena cannot.

Anything else?

#rick riordan #annabeth chase #percy jackson #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #pjo hoo toa #heroes of olympus #percabeth #thalia grace #luke castellan #grover underwood #the lightning thief #anti annabeth chase #anti percabeth

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ohmydamgods · 2 years

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Whenever y’all disregard how Luke treated Annabeth or try to deny the fact that his attraction was even there I immediately get bad vibes. Y’all are jumping through hoops to defend a 23 year old being having the hots for a 16 year old why?? “We can’t trust the first person narration!!” BABES we can’t trust you. Why are we defending this is 2022. And better yet, why do people consistently bring this up to me? My opinion is not changing

#creepy ass adults #get off my page #😭😭#I know y’all are tired of seeing me post about this #me too #jule.txt #percy jackson #pjo #pjo fandom #pjo hoo #annabeth chase #anti luke castellan #anti-luke castellan

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flower1622 · 3 months

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Percy Jackson in other universes:

Bianca and Nico:

Luke and Percy:

Piper and Annabeth:

#percy jackson #percy jackon and the olympians #anti percabeth #anti annabeth chase #annabeth chase #piper mclean #luke castellan #bianca di angelo #nico di angelo #bianca and nico #luke and percy #pjo tv show #pjo series #pjo

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lovl3igh · 3 months

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luke decided to leave camp with percy but without annabeth because he knew she would never go with him, because no matter what she was trying to please her mother

luke decided to leave without 'goodbye' because he hoped they will meet again soon enough and he wanted to prove he was right first, that the gods needed to be punished and without them world is better place. he wanted justice for 7yo girl who was living on street and her mother did nothing to protect her

instead luke lost annabeth's trust and eventually she turned against him and he's gonna see her dissapointed face every time he'll do something for kronos

there's something what breaks my heart here, I know he never wanted to hurt her while at the same time doing exactly what he knew will hurt her... dude...

good job, charlie, leah and walker in that scene!

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wanderingmind867 · 3 months

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Don't be fooled. Luke would gladly kill all the monsters on the Princess Andromeda. Look how he treats Tyson. He mocks him, calls him a monster, he even threatened to feed Agrius to a drakon! His own henchman! What's wrong with him!? I'll tell you what: he's a filthy eugenicist and rascist (monster-ist?) and I cannot stand him.

#everytime I see Luke in the books #I have to make these notes #because he really gets on my last nerve #luke castellan #anti luke castellan #percy jackson #pjo #pjo hoo toa #rick riordan #percy jackson and the olympians #percy jackon and the olympians #pjo tyson #tyson pjo #sea of monsters #percy jackson series #pjo series

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