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When you go through a tag with a character or story you love, but it's filled with the one (awful) version of the character that you hate because it's the most popular version of the character or story. But you still go in because you’re desperate for content:
#mine#anti mcu wanda#anti mcu captain marvel#monica rambeau#anti tangled#anti mcu#anti carol Danvers#anti disney rapunzel#anti mcu spiderman#rapunzel#fairy tales
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Also another thing i love in the barbie Rapunzel vs. Tangled is Barbie's rapunzel is the actual star. Yes she has her princely romance but she's also still the main focus who ACTS than just react. She's the one who manages to get herself out, she's the one who leads Gothel into a trap and she's the one who ends a potential war saving thousands of lives in the process. She's not overshadowed by the guy. And her dress looks so much more better and historically accurate than that horrid mess.
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I don’t know if you watched dreamworks sinbad but if you watched it, you can see that Flynn is basically a ripoff of sinbad. They have the same personality and looks. The only difference between them is that sinbad is actually attractive and isn’t a totally creep like Flynn is.
Disney was ripping off every Dreamworks movie for this one.
OMG I REMEMBER SINBAD!!!! I used to actually be scared of eris as a kid but now I find her extremely entertaining and pretty (especially her hair) and it’s a WAY better movie than tangled could ever dream to be
yeah sinbad is a lot like flynn, except flynn is the Walmart cheap version of sinbad. also sinbad has more of a character arc and interesting personality that actually accept the fact that his actions has consequences as seen by him returning to be executed despite eris trying to claim otherwise.
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Honestly if you ever watched Tangled the Series than I want you to know that there’s another Catra and Adora like relationship as well with Rapunzel and Cassandra but unlike the Spop, they had the Villainous half LEAVE after their last minute redemption.
i haven't watched tangled the series but i do know most of the story and i've also seen people ship yet another sibling situation with cassandra and rapunzel. from what i heard, cassandra's arc wasn't very good either and even her villain arc didn't make much sense. but yeah, at least they didn't make her rapunzel's girlfriend at the end. bare minimum, but we stan.
#spop critical#spop#spop salt#spop criticism#spop discourse#she ra#anti spop#anti tangled#tangled salt
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#anti tangled#tts#tangled the series#rapunzles tangled adventure#tumblr polls#anti rapunzel#rapunzel#tts fandom
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while i cant say i agree with all of your tangled takes, i do find them very interesting to read. and also, its funny bc a lot of your critques about rapunzel are the same ones i have about jasmine. specifically, her being a walking plot device, and her movie having her prince as the main character instead of herself (i mean the movie is titled aladdin after all, not jasmine). its why i say aladdin is technically the worst disney princess movie lol
Warning: I talk about infantilization and sexualization
Very interesting, I was recently actually thinking a lot about how T//angled took cues and arcs from Aladdin in it's character setups. For example, Aladdin is about, well like you said, Aladdin! It makes sense the story would start with him and focus on him.
The tale of Aladdin has him as the main character, while Jasmine is secondary (or, if you think about it, Genie takes more prominence after Aladdin, so maybe third?). The reason the whole "disney princess not as the main character in her movie" kinda works for Aladdin is because it's about him.
Ta//ngled is a fairytale derived from the story of Rapunzel. It's not "Eugene/Flynn Rider." And the fact that Flynn Rider is treated as a main character nearly the same way Aladdin is, doesn't work as well and it relegates the actual main character to a plot device. And I can't deny that while Jasmine has a strong conviction, and values, she is subject to being a damsel in distress for a lot of the movie and it can be very off putting.
I do like Jasmine as a character, and I do I appreciate that she was there for me as one the three princesses of color I had when there just weren't any black princesses growing up.
But there's definitely a lot to criticize about Jasmine's role, and how this plays into the racist stereotypes of the movie and how it uses it's setting.
Like Rapunzel, Jasmine is subject to uncomfortable framing. Her sexualization is creepy and exploitative. Rapunzel's infantilization is also creepy and weird. But I wouldn't necessarily call them identical, they're different due to being a result of portraying stereotypes about girls of color and cultural idealization of white women/girls as more innocent and purer than them.
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A (Mostly) Complete Critique of Tangled
I used to love Tangled but, as I’ve said before, it’s been ruined for me in recent times, starting with when I watched the series. However, where at first I felt like the movie was fine but the show messed up a lot of what was there, I’ve recently begun to see the truth, that the movie was never good to begin with. Being me, I want to talk about it and hopefully find others who feel similarly.
First and foremost, I have to talk about Disney choosing to make Rapunzel a princess with royal parents. One of the main aspects of the original fairy tale is that she comes from a poor family and when that family commits a relatively minor crime of stealing some vegetables, they are punished far too harshly by the witch who literally kidnaps their daughter in retribution. The story is that of a poor family having their daughter stolen but, because they’re poor, they literally don’t have the means to get anyone to go after this witch and get their daughter back. It’s a heavy metaphor for class disparity where those in power can do whatever and have no one challenge them because they’re so powerful while the powerless innocents they trample can do nothing to fight back. Making Rapunzel a princess ruins all of that and Jew-coding Gothel flips that power dynamic back around so now it’s a Jewish woman stealing a baby in the night and these rich, white royals are just powerless to save their poor infant daughter in the face of her evil Jewish magic or whatever.
Speaking of “evil Jewish magic or whatever,” next up is all the bullshit with the flower. Aside from the extremely lazy worldbuilding aspect of it that’s later retconned to be made even worse, this is just another way that they’re missing the whole point of the original story and tbh kind of ruining it. The entire point of the original is that the parents steal something of little value and are punished by having something as valuable as their own baby taken from them as punishment. If you make the stolen object something that not only is extremely valuable but is literally the only thing of its kind that is literally priceless, that radically changes things. Objectively, that flower is worth more than any other life in that world, including that of literally any royal, so that whole transaction just got flipped. Also, everyone acts like it was so terrible of Gothel to hide that away and keep it for herself but no one cares that Rapunzel’s parents literally made tea with it and destroyed the fucking thing to prevent a very natural death and force a very unnatural birth.
Another setting-type thing before I get into the actual story itself is what I mentioned earlier of Gothel being so very heavily Jew-coded by Disney. For one thing, Walt Disney was a freaking yahtzee and hated Jewish people, so keep that in mind. For another, it’s yet another thing that further wrecks the story. Yes, witchcraft as a concept does have a lot of roots in antisemitism, but I do believe there are ways you can have a witch as a villain and not have it feel like a really bad Jewish stereotype. Hell, look at the Barbie Rapunzel and how much different that version of Gothel feels from the Disney version. But because of how symbolism works in movies, there ends up being this effect with the Disney version where it then feels like everything Gothel does in the movie that’s bad is actually a greater stereotype and criticism of all Jewish people.
So, getting into the story, I want to start with Rapunzel herself. She’s freshly 18 but has the vibe and acts like she’s 8. I understand having Gothel try to limit how much she can intellectually explore the outside world, but that sheltering wouldn’t affect her personality. It’s this thing where people associate naivete with childishness and so, when they make a character who’s sheltered or naive, that character then has to also act like a child. For all the events of the story, Rapunzel would be better if she were older and also acted her age, even though she’d still have limited knowledge of the world. A great example of the issue with her character is how her immediate response to an intruder breaking in is to hit him with a frying pan, tie him to a chair with her hair, stuff him in a closet, and then actually think she can use a literal hostage to convince her helicopter mom that she’s a capable adult.
The next issue is Flynn. He’s fine in and of himself, but this movie with the canon version of Rapunzel we got is not the movie to go plugging in this 27 year old man who was created by a panel of women to be hot. There’s something really weird and icky about having the most sheltered, naive, very childlike character who looks and acts like a child end up with the love interest who’s been made to look the most mature and appeal to grown ass women. My biggest issues with him all have to do with his relationship with Rapunzel. He’s the adult here so he should’ve insisted upon taking a good chunk of time to let her adjust to existing in society and also processing everything that just went down in less than a week and meeting her parents and everything before trying to date her. It was irresponsible at best and harmful at worst for him to allow her to throw herself into a relationship with him when she is the way she is and he’s very literally the first person she’s ever met aside from her kidnapper.
As for the plot, the biggest thing I have a problem with is the hair, which I know sounds weird when we’re literally talking about Rapunzel but hear me out. The sundrop was destroyed and consumed in order to keep not just the queen but also Rapunzel alive, which should’ve used up the magic and produced a normal, non-magical child. However, since Rapunzel has magic hair in this, there’s a few other issues, like that she hears Gothel talking about how valuable her hair is and how people will want to steal it, but she doesn’t just give herself a trim as soon as she leaves to ensure her safety? Also, I get that the hair needs to be super long, but it’s too long for her to be able to like… exist with it. It would only weigh about 20 lbs but, when wet, it would definitely be super heavy and the length would be literally impossible to do anything with. She tries to walk across a room, it’s getting caught on five different pieces of furniture. At least let her braid it.
Another issue I have is with the haircut at the end. There’s nothing wrong with short hairstyles, but this particular one seems to accentuate the ‘manic pixie dream girl’ aspects of Rapunzel’s character and, especially when combined with the rest of her design, I feel like it makes her look even younger. Instead of having this moment be the really charged metaphor I think it was supposed to be about the end of her sheltered childhood and entry into adulthood, it feels lackluster because, visually, it’s the opposite. Rapunzel with the long hair looks like she could be 18 but, with the short hair, she looks no older than 14:
And then compare that to this edit that @juliette-daria made of Rapunzel with longer hair:
Do you see it? How, yeah, she still has big eyes and youthful features but, with a different hairstyle, she doesn’t look literally 14? I just really want to know why they chose to do what they did and make a very young-looking character look even younger before pairing her with a grown ass man who damn well looks like a grown ass man. I always thought I just didn’t particularly like Rapunzel’s haircut aesthetically but now I’m realizing it’s because I can’t stand to see her doing couple stuff with Flynn when she looks so young like that and he looks, well, 27.
Aside from the hair stuff, the antisemitism, and questionable stuff with age, I don’t have a ton of issues with the story itself. The biggest story thing I have an issue with is Gothel showing up in the middle of their journey like that instead of having her kind of tailing them until the main conflict at the end. Her popping up at the campsite and being a bitch just seemed so unnecessary and I feel like the story would’ve been better without it. Also, I feel like that big, climactic conflict should’ve gone differently and happened in Corona because we’ve already seen that it’s a multiple-day journey from the tower to the city or vice versa, so the idea that Flynn is just running to that tower the way one might run to the store doesn’t really work. Having everything come to a T in Corona also could have provided tons more drama and been way more interesting. That way, you could have Flynn bust out of prison and then go with all the Snuggly Duckling guys to save Rapunzel together and there could be an even bigger conflict.
#anti tangled#tangled critical#tangled salt#tangled criticism#antisemitism#anti disney#disney critical#disney criticism
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I think part of the reason people try to excuse Rapunzel’s horrible actions in the series, is a big part out of nostalgia for the Rapunzel people grew attached to in Tangled the Movie.
Probably.
There's also a level of 'thought-crime' bullshit to it, where people can't acknowledge the flaws or poor messaging in what they watch/read because they think that makes them a bad person for enjoying the work, not realizing that excusing and normalizing said messaging is more harmful then just admitted that it's flawed but you still like in spite of that.
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The fact that some people actually consider I see the light one of Disney’s best song has shown how low people standards have become. I mean people can’t even name the song correctly.
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I think there's something deeply symbolic about how Mother Knows Best, the song about Rapunzel's mom manipulating and sheltering Rapunzel so she can use her for her own benefit, being shot in the dark, with Gothel snuffing out Rapunzel's every attempt to light a candle, meanwhile, the song about Rapunzel realizing that her dreams are not out of reach— that love is real and that she can be truly loved— is called At Last I See The Light."
#tangled#new dream#anti mother gothel#rapunzel#euegen fitzherbert#disney#otp: all at once everything looks different
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Every time I see a tweet like this I think to myself that She’s literally a walking stereotype of multiple harmful tropes. It’s so obvious growing up that she is. What the hell were the writers thinking?
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What are your salty takes on Tangled?
It's not the masterpiece everyone says it is.
Rapunzel's purple dress sucks (I like her other dresses tho),
I don't like how disney keeps marketing the tower/hair because those were the two main sources of her trauma
tangled the series season 3 isn't good
I like her ship with Jack Frost from ROTG better than with Flynn
Varian should've gotten the moonstone/Evil arc while cass could've opened a school for knights of ALL genders
I also hate how tangled overshadowed Princess and the Frog
Tangled ripped off the Barbie version, i mean blonde princess who likes art, has a light theme, wears a purple dress AND has a reptile companions, being a lost princess of one of two kingdoms locked in a stalemate/rivalry is too much to be a mere of a coincidence
Also Rapunzel should've cut her own hair to symbolize gaining her own independence
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the biggest cinematic crime of 2010 was that tangled got more recognition and praise than shrek forever after
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#anti tangled#tangled crit#tangled#shrek#shrek forever after#pinkspidey’s rambles#in a perfect world shrek forever after is recognized as LEAGUES better than tangled
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Elucien and Gwynriel but make it tangled 🥹
The shadows attaching to gwyns hand 🥹
The art Elucien is done by hachandraws commissioned by @foreverinelysian The Gwynriel art is commissioned by ofshadowsanddreams
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My main takeaway from Varian and Cassandra’s villain arcs: Being Rapunzel’s friend is a traumatizing experience.
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You mentioned before that rapunzel was a walking plot device and I was wondering which scenes were you referring to. I was going to see the movie again to see if it’s as bad as I remembered and I wanted to know which scenes to look out for.
Hi, sorry for the late response, holidays were really busy.
I think when it comes to “Rapunzel is a walking plot device,” I think of it as not always a culmination of scenes, but the story itself and what it chooses to focus on:
Rapunzel’s story is centered around Eugene/Flynn Rider. The main plot kicks off on him stealing her crown, he is the one being chased by guards, he chooses to double cross his teammates, which leads to trouble down the line and his arc of change is the driving force of the plot. It’s what gets it moving. Many of the most important plot scenes have a certain formula.
“Flynn drives the plot, Rapunzel either gets a certain consequence of it, or turns it around by just being likeable”, examples below:
He steals the crown, which leads to Rapunzel finding it. She uses it against him as blackmail, but he figures her out pretty quickly.
He backstabs the Stabbington brothers, which puts Rapunzel in trouble later on.
He takes Rapunzel to the bar to try and talk her out of going to the lights. Rapunzel is the one who made friends with them
Maximus is after Flynn Rider, Rapunzel bargains with him and calms him down
Flynn Rider goes to prison and is sentenced to be executed. He is broken out by people from the bar that he insisted on going to. Rapunzel’s ability to make friends by being childlike and enthusiatic is what creates those bonds.
All of this could’ve worked, as long as Rapunzel also moved the plot forward due to her own actions.
It was her idea to go to see the lanterns, that is good! Mother gothel is a major villain, so the consequences of her defying her are paramount.
She needed Flynn Rider to take her there and to get her out of the tower, even though she probably could’ve memorized where the lanterns came from direction wise. That’s fine, I suppose. Would’ve been better if she left on her own and at least tried to find them herself since she is proven to be smart.
Flynn Rider’s actions drive most of the problems in the plot, he is wanted for stealing the crown, thus having not only the entire Imperial Guards after him but multiple major conflicts come back to him as a result of his action. Not so good. Who’s fairy tale is this again?
But despite blackmailing Flynn Rider, in another point of view it comes off as him being more or less just going along with Rapunzel out of the goodness of his heart. He clearly is the more experienced of the two, and he could’ve figured out the location since she’s just carrying a single bag with her.
The problem with Rapunzel is that she is reactive. Rapunzel is simply reacting instead of acting. She is taken out of heavy action scenes (example, the guards chasing them and the pan fight with Maximus, Rapunzel swings offscreen and watches. She later gets him out of trouble when she’s safely out of danger.) and her inability to fend for herself is often highlighted, mostly due to the conditioning of mother gothel and her own insecurities.
But still, sometimes the movie portrays these sort of insecurities as “cute” or endearing, even though it causes her emotional turmoil. The juxtaposition of her emotional highs and lows when she is finally out of the tower is played for laughs.
Her naivete and “having a dream”, is vague and childlike. Her mannerisms when singing also highlight this.
This is what would be referred to as a positive feminine trait that increases her likability by playing into the idealized stereotypes imposed upon women and girls. Not to say that having such traits makes you bad, but it does seem like she is embodying these traits as a way to convey that they are the feminine ideal.
The movie is very good at making it seem like Rapunzel is assertive because her actions are very energetic visually. She is swinging, jumping around, and carrys a frying pan.
But there is a problem: A lot of the story hinges on her status, and what her hair can do.
Rapunzel is often reduced to what she is. Her status as a princess inherently makes her valuable, her hair is magic and can give healing powers that mother Gothel seeks. And in turn, her very existence is due to the influence of the magic flower that her parents took. All things that were decided before she was born and the ones she does control, she has been conditioned to think she has very little control over.
When she does put her foot down with Mother Gothel, and tries to take back control of her magic hair, she is put in chains.
Here comes the reverse order of “Flynn Rider does something, Rapunzel reacts to it and tries to fix it.” Rapunzel uses her people skills to convince Mother Gothel to let her go temporarily so she can heal Flynn Rider.
Then, he cuts her hair to free her. Without Flynn, she would’ve kept her promise and stayed with Mother Gothel in exchange for healing him. It took Flynn Rider’s actions to free her.
There are people who say that Rapunzel could’ve left the tower on her own, that she wouldn’t have needed Flynn Rider. That she could’ve fought in the action scenes, that she could’ve even cut her own hair and freed herself.
But despite this being her story, she doesn’t. It’s all given to Flynn Rider.
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