the loki show annoys me so much as someone whos been a loki fan since like. thor. the original thor. since i was a literal child

cuz the concept is so great and so are the actors and the plot and im rly enjoying it but then they throw sylkie in the middle of it and it ruins everything for me so much. i literally put off watching season 2 for days cuz i despise the sylvie/loki shit so much T-T it annoys me when i watch it because the good stuff is so great especially for someone who's been waiting for loki to have content all to himself for years and then its just. ruined. by such a shitty little thing

marvel would go bankrupt before they let gay ppl exist but im gonna lie to myself and convince myself lokius is becoming canon this season to get me through it

I will forever be super annoyed at the Loki show for pairing up Loki with a fem version of himself who treats him horribly while Mobius is LITERALLY RIGHT THERE

A bit of a rant: on Sylvie

Okay, look, as a preface: I do not hate Sylvie. I feel like I see a lot of hate for the character from a lot of people not Sylkie shippers, and I definitely do not hate her, even if the ship is something I struggle to see.

I actually like Sylvie's character a lot. She has had to struggle and fight and flee for something like a thousand years. I honestly don't begrudge her desire to stay in a quiet universe and just live a life. I want that for her, even.

Is she being a huge dick to Loki every time they interact this season? Yes. She refuses to listen to him (though he isn't being entirely straight with her either, to be fair), and she continually belittles his own choices and refuses to take responsibility for her own. She blames him and the TVA for the destruction of timelines, even though Dox's crew was, at the time, acting as a rogue element, and the issues that the timelines and TVA are currently facing are entirely her fault.

Again, I totally understand why she didn't listen to Loki at the end of season 1. It makes sense that she wouldn't want trust anything that He Who Remains had to say, and it makes sense that she wouldn't trust Loki at all. She barely knows him, and she's been alone her entire life. She doesn't really remember her life before the TVA ruined it. She has no friends, no allies. So yes, it was foolish of her to not stop and think for like ten seconds, but killing He Who Remains had been her ultimate goal for centuries. Of course she was going to do it.

HOWEVER. Because she killed He Who Remains, the multiverse is in danger. And just because I understand her inability to accept responsibility for her actions, does not mean I condone it. The lady is incredibly emotionally stunted. Of course she doesn't know how to take responsibility. She's been blaming other people for her problems her entire life (and most of that was 100% justified). To stop doing so now, when she hasn't had a chance to learn, would be bad writing.

I am all for a good character arc and a redemption story. Loki's himself has been...a little rushed. And they haven't touched on the trauma that was his time Before New York at all since that like, thirty seconds in season 1. Sure, he mentions NY a little flippantly here in season 2, but we all know that was just a way to get Mobius to talk. Point is, they have set Sylvie up for a good character arc, and kind of fast tracked Loki's without actually talking about some of the things I'm most interested in, but...eh, whatever. I can rant about that another time.

What I don't understand though, is Sylkie shippers. Like...number one, are we watching the same show? Season 1 seemed to have some unrequited pining going on, on Loki's side, especially before Loki and Mobius made up, but Sylvie has never shown any interest in Loki beyond that of a tentative ally. And really, there's no reason she should. When would Sylvie have had time, ever in her life, to think of romance beyond, possibly, an errant daydream? And this season, it really seems like she can hardly stand him.

Every time they interact, she lashes out, she tries to hurt him. She has told him, unequivocally, to leave her alone, multiple times. She listened to him say that he feared being alone most of all, and then she left him (I assume she has a tab at that bar, otherwise who the hell paid for those shots, and also, I've never met a bartender who would hear 'two bourbons' and just pour shots immediately, if it isn't a common order for that patron, but that's yet another rant for another day).

Like, she just seems to be going out of her way to be cruel, to drag him down, to blame him for everything, and to paint him as the bad guy. Sure, he wants to have his friends back, and maybe that IS selfish, but he ALSO wants to save the TVA because he believes that will save the multiverse, and that isn't, but she knows that once she pokes any holes in the story he's concocted for himself, he's only going to dwell on the bad side. Which he does. Her goal, I assume, is to get him out of her hair and leave her alone. She doesn't want to be involved with all this TVA stuff anymore. And...yeah, fair enough, except that the multiverse is actively disintegrating. Which is at least...oh, 45% her fault. (I'll grant that most of the fault lies on the heads of the old TVA, He Who Remains and Ravonna. And maybe like 3% Loki's fault. Everyone can take somewhat a share of the blame, but she really was trying to do the most. And she is the only one of our 'heroes' who hasn't taken any responsibility for the problems now facing the multiverse).

Look, I have shipped Loki with almost every single character he has had screen time with, if the story is well written enough for it to make sense. I've even read a Sylkie story that I actually managed to really get behind. (It took place before season 2, the premise being that in their fight at the Citadel, there was an accident and they ended up in Westview during the events of Wandavision, and were paired as a husband/wife duo for the show. It made sense, and there was enough of a build of their relationship that I was like...yeah, sure).

The writers of this show have NOT done their due diligence to make Sylkie make sense. In season 1, I could see that he might have a thing for her. But I never saw that being reciprocated.

Sylvie needs friends, she needs to learn how to trust, she needs stability, and she needs to figure out who she is as a person when she isn't on the run. She does NOT need a romance. A romance at this stage would be incredibly bad for her, really, if we give a shit about a fictional character's mental health.

I like Sylvie as a character. I think her arc has been interesting, but she is definitely still in the middle of it, and it is nowhere near resolved. I can't see a single instance in the show where she showed a romantic interest in Loki. (And...what, she kissed him? That was only to get him distracted enough to kick him out a time door so she could kill He Who Remains).

If this season ends with Sylkie endgame, I will have honestly lost faith in Marvel's ability to write a good story entirely. If they want the two of them to be together, they have to write them together. They have to actually be a team, not just constantly bickering (or in this season, Loki begging for her help and her telling him to stuff it). She only comes to help because her own universe gets shredded, not because she wanted to help Loki or save the other universes. She would not be good for him, at least not right now. That relationship would be hella toxic. Has she ever done anything for him? Just for him, not because he was useful to her in some way?

Look, TL;DR, I like Sylvie as a character and I want to see her grow and thrive, but Sylkie makes no sense and if they go that route this season it is bad writing. MCU has always been bad at romance and character development, but this would take the cake.

Obsessed with the creator liking sylkie tweets only to do nothing with them.

Truly the first straightbaiting I ever experianced.

If I had a nickel for every time i watched a tv show where the plot built up for a gay relationship but one of the boyfriends left the other one to be together with another version of themselves, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice right?

I literally cannot make this shit up. Sophia Di Martino has obliterated the 'canon' ship. It has sank deeper than the titanic I'm afraid.

She called it "weird", "same person". The kiss was not romantic, meaning she just wanted to "go through with her plan" of killing He Who Remains.

"It's been fun, dude...so see ya" LMAOOO

I would be so embarrassed if Tom said that about Mobius💀

crazy to me that people think two characters (who are variants of each other) with COMPLETE OPPOSITE desires in life would be good together & make each other happy ??

if it wasn’t already made clear before, this episode realllly laid it out for us:

loki: “i don’t want to be alone.”

vs.

sylvie: “i do.”

natalie holt i could kiss you in the mouth

So...had a horrible thought about how Loki S 2 is gonna end

I think it will go great until the like, end credit scene.

So, episode 6: We're gonna have another dust up with Ravonna (not sure how Loki's new time travel abilities landed him, exactly, but I think it's right before Victor goes to try and set things right?) anyway, Ravonna got pruned, right, but I think it's totally plausible she found her way back to the Citadel at the end of time.

So at some point, we'll have to fight her again. NBD. That won't actually take long. Sylvie will charm her or something.

Now, I actually really like the theory that we'll end with Loki, in his new place as God of Stories, will ultimately remain at the End of Time, keeping watch over the timelines. I think that he and Mobius will have a heart to heart, where Mobius will have to decide if he is going to stay and run the TVA or go back to the timeline where he had those kids. I think he WILL stay and run the TVA and work as an actual partner with Loki--like Ravonna thought she was gonna do with He Who Remains. All that sounds well and good. Love it. Lets go.

But. I think they'll throw a twist at us at the end.

The Terrible End Credits scene I've just envisioned

Mobius: Now. I'm gonna go get me some pie. Want anything?

Loki: I'll be alright.

Mobius: I'll bring you something

A time door opens and Mobius steps through. Loki turns to the window to watch the loom at work, uncountable timelines, all humming along, safe. It's beautiful. The sound of a time door behind him. Loki smiles.

Loki: That was fast--

he turns, smile freezing. It's not Mobius standing there, it's Sylvie. She stands awkwardly, hands twisting around the mini Tempad.

She walks over to the window, stares out at the loom.

Sylvie: It's beautiful, isn't it? Free will.

She takes his hand and the camera pans out, silhouetting the two of them against the window, hands clasped tight.

Blech. Ugh. That feels like something they'd do, doesn't it? Throw a badly written, unearned pairing at the end just because Loki, as the hero, should end in a relationship or something? And they aren't gonna go the Lokius route, you KNOW they aren't. But I can see them ending with that exact scene so freaking clearly.

My current state of mind

like I’m fairly certain that Disney won’t let lokius become canon, which yknow, sucks, but I was kind of expecting that. As long as they stay together in some way shape or form and sylkie doesn’t get together last minute I’ll be content :,)

Disney did not make Loki canonically bi to make him end up with a gender bent version of himself he has absolutely no chemistry with and if that is how they end this story I will commit war crimes.

Edit: I don’t care if a bi person ends up with someone of the opposite gender. It doesn’t stop them from being bi. All I want is for sylki to not happen because the characters have no chemistry and if Sylvie was a male variant it wouldn’t even be a question if they would end up together because they wouldn’t. I’d like lokius to happen, but I care more that sylki doesn’t happen because the idea of building up these characters only to have them in a relationship with themselves is a waste. I don’t think that’s biphobia(?) because I think these characters deserve better than a sylki ending.

My Lokius heart

While Sylvie was ok with Loki sacrificing himself to save the world, Mobius was left alone and devastated because Loki was HIS world. He had no reasons to stay in the TVA anymore so he went to a place where he knew Loki could watch him. If that isn't a love story, what the hell it is?

"Time & the Trickster"- MASTERLIST A MCU/Doctor Who crossover

by ijuststareatstuffhereok89

One last-ditch effort to prevent his total sacrifice at the TVA sends Loki careening through the Timelines until he finds what may be the strangest one of all: one where there is only one Realm, gods and heroes are but the subjects of stories, and Loki is nothing more than a silly character played by a rather dashing actor. His only hope comes in the form of the first person he meets, who suggests a mysterious mad Doctor might be his only chance to return home. 

PAIRING: eventual Loki x Reader, hinted Ten x Rose Tyler GENRE: Time-Travel Adventure, Romance, Some Smut CONTENT WARNING (DNI, 18+ ONLY): some elements of smut, character betrayal, anti-Sylvie, more to come

Prologue: The Stone 1- A Birthday Surprise 2- Window to the World 3- The Doctor and I 4- The Magic I Can Do 5- Boston 6- Two If By Sea 7- A Titanic Setback 8- For Now 9- Look Up 10- Green Sky in the Morning 11- London 12- The Three Time Lords 13- Those of Us Left Behind 14- Sylvie's Choice 15- Journey's End --Coming Soon! Epilogue

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the scene where loki and mobius narrowly escape death together, wrapped in each others arms was SO gay. but of course they had to ruin it with loki immediately bringing up sylvie afterwards.