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I have never understood when people try to romanticize Tyrion Sansa marriage by quoting that line of her not wanting Tyrion to die when she is in the Vale. There is a difference between not wanting to be in a forced marriage and wanting someone dead. Secondly if he dies then her body again becomes as a chess piece for other players which is what happens when Lysa wants to have her married to Robert after Tyrion is executed in KL.
The deck rocked beneath her feet, and Sansa felt as if the world itself had grown unsteady. "They think Tyrion poisoned Joffrey. Ser Dontos said they seized him."
Littlefinger smiled. "Widowhood will become you, Sansa."
The thought made her tummy flutter. She might never need to share a bed with Tyrion again. That was what she'd wanted . . . wasn't it?
(ASOS, Sansa V)
Sansa, contemplating if she wants her forced husband to be killed for a crime she knows he didn't commit = true love.
What can you say, we all know that if a girl hesitates to have a guy unjustly put to death, it's because deep down she knows they are meant to be. This instantly erases any and all trauma suffered at their hands. We all know that all victims would instantly jump at the chance to see their abusers murdered, no second thoughts. Especially Sansa, who just cried hysterically over Joffrey's death a bit earlier. So if she doesn't do that, it means she was never a victim and he was never an abuser and nothing stands in the way of their shared future. Yay.
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Who are Sansa’s potential contenders in your opinion?
i’ve talked about this before but i’d love to talk about it again lmao. i think the potential romantic endgame contenders are (in order of most to least likely) jon, brienne, theon, and podrick (there’s a wide gap between theon and podrick) and i use the term romantic like……i mean a little loosely. i’m gonna explain my criteria a bit.
sansa’s suitors must be
within a decade of her age
someone who has, when they meet her, a claim to a seat powerful enough to at least be in the same ballpark as the Starks
someone who would be willing to relocate to winterfell or near winterfell
someone who won't feel threatened by her title
shares her romantic sensibilities
someone whose identity subverts the typical Westerosi idea of what a True Knight and a Proper Husband is
someone who is actively trying and at least partially succeeding at being a good person, but specifically someone who has themes associated with what she desires - a True Knight and Hero From A Song
so let’s explain.
firstly, when we’re talking “potential contenders” i think everyone is picturing something slightly different. i’m talking about like. the relationship that will be one of the focal points of her story going forward, the relationship that will mean the most to her bc it fulfills her dreams while matching her growth and maturity, the relationship her story is building towards her meeting. i think there’s a lot of,,,idk confrontations on the horizon. theon hearing bran in the trees. dany’s nightmare about (probably) euron. everyone and their mother hearing wolves howling in the distance. half these characters are like on a boat, on a dragon, on a walk in the woods, literally on the way to meet someone when we leave them in feastdance and sansa is no exception to this - the Themes Are Coming For Her.
i think there’s been a build up over sansa’s story that she is going to meet The Hero Of Her Dreams, but they will not fit the typical mold of a hero. They will help empower her, protecting her physically while she protects them politically. There will be genuine love, and dedication. A bond to rival Naerys & Aemon, Florian & Jonquil, a person who will love her until the end of her days…a person who is also going to be helpful when it comes to her new role as The Stark In Winterfell. this means a) the line of succession will be dealt with in a practical manner and not swept under the rug and b) someone who likely has some sort of background in either politics or battle.
Maybe it’s a contradiction to say this relationship can be romantic and satisfying to read while also saying there's a chance it will be “subtext” but…I just think, looking at his inspirations being soooo focused on things like courtly love, chivalry, that a spin that involves Sansa feeling a deep affection for a Knight protecting her, with no men around (but again, crucially, having discussed how the hell she’s going to have kids, with a partner who will not shy away from a frank discussion like that) is still a satisfying "romantic" arc. Yes i am saying this is how I have my cake and eat it too, where Braime fucks and then Jaime dies, then Brienne stays in the North with a conveniently (publicly) single Sansa who leans on her for comfort. This is my meta and we're never getting the winds of winter to disprove it, but also I'm thinking specifically of the focus on rumors surrounding the sexualities of a lot of characters in F&B - Alyn and Addam Velaryon, Rhaenyra Targaryen, Laenor and Laena Velaryon, Rhaena the Black Bride, to name just a few very obvious ones - as well as the repeated princess and knight dynamic that follows both Sansa (with Dontos and Sandor) as well as is present in F&B (Rhaenyra & Harwin, Rhaenyra & Criston, Alysanne & Jonquil Darke, Aegon & Visenya imo also fits this) that this dynamic can be romantic but also not explicitly stated to be a sexual or romantic relationship. MOVING ON.
I think it’s actually most likely that Briensa and Jeynsa that are winning the “so which one is actually gonna go canon” war bc they’ll be single, in the same place, and clearly devoted to each other while like, Jon/Theon/Aegon/Sandor/Tyrion/Basically Every Man Shipped With Sansa are miserable and cold or dead elsewhere. (littlefucker isn’t included bc he’s definitely dead 😁). I just need everyone to understand my definition of “goes canon” is so so loose. ANYWAYS. EXPLANATIONS-
within a decade of her age
i am once again saying that every relationship with a huge age gap that starts with one of them below the age of 17 ends badly and the reason is bc george is not a pervy moron, he is actually writing about the ways in which the hypersexualization and forced child marriages in westeros are damaging to these girls. “but he said dany & drogo were in love!!” he’s very clearly the sort who likes to find the romantic and erotic in the grotesque and horrific, and looking at this from the character’s point of view. i think his comments line up just fine with the justifications these girls make to themselves about the marriages they are forced into. also he’s just an old man and he phrases things in ways that make you cringe sometimes, pls be serious 😭 the only exceptions to this rule are really Rhaenys/Corlys and arguably Rhaenyra's various romantic ties but a) none of Rhaenyra's romantic relationships end well and in fact help speed her right along to her gruesome death and b) Rhaenys and Corlys' relationship is fraught with political problems and also, he has an affair with a teenager so again, george is Saying Something about the reasons why certain types of men prefer women much younger than them. "but what about roose and fat walda?" they are both gonna die horribly, next question.
SO. it’s not gonna be tyrion. it’s not gonna be sandor. it’s not gonna be littlefucker. they’re too goddamn old and sansa spending the rest of her life rationalizing these guys perving on her when she’s barely even middle school aged is not (imo) the ending she is going to get.
this leaves us with the rest of her more popular ships - jeyne, margaery, harry, sweetrobin, aegon vi, jon, theon (admittedly pushing it here! i can be logical about this!), podrick, and brienne (technically bran and arya are here too ig, i mean if we want to be really fair to all ships). onto the next criteria-
someone who has a claim to something in the same general social circle as winterfell
technically i do think there’s a chance george goes for something radical at the ending like abolishing the monarchy and if he does that i will kiss him on the mouth (with consent from him & parris). BUT. i think the most likely ending is more of a loosening of the feudal system - showing us the next few hopeful steps away from absolute monarchies. what i’m saying is The System still exists and will still exist throughout twow and ados, so I think it’s logical to assume that Sansa is not going to marry “beneath” her. if anyone does, it's arya.
anyways that’s a double pass on sandor & littlefucker. this is also why i admit pod is a stretch - the paynes aren’t nobodies but pod himself is from a cadet branch, so fairly low in the pecking order . i mostly include him bc i think he’ll make a name for himself alongside brienne, potentially enough to overcome that gap and he fits the rest of the criteria too well imo to completely disregard him. “why can’t sandor or littlefucker do that” bc sandor doesn’t have enough time before the end of the series to make up for all the shit he did as the hound In The Eyes Of The Public Or, Crucially, Sansa’s Family and littlefucker is going to die 😁
you could argue this also crosses out jon and jeyne. COUNTERPOINT - jeyne is a girl it literally doesn’t matter so long as she’s high enough to be one of sansa’s ladies and she is, so she passes; jon is one of three targaryens left alive (and even if aegon's a blackfyre, he doesn't know that so still counts!!) and all the secrecy around jon's legitimacy + robb’s will means clearly something is cooking here. also he has an impressive resume on paper.
someone who would actually live in Winterfell
I don’t feel it’s necessary to argue that Sansa is going to be IN WINTERFELL and END UP IN WINTERFELL bc she lichrally builds Winterfell after Arya, the sibling she interacts with the most, hears a prophecy about a girl slaying a giant IN A CASTLE MADE OF SNOW. This does not feel subtle nor like a stretch. Whether she’s a regent for Rickon/Bran, a ruling lady, or a queen, she is GOING HOME the same as the rest of the Starklings and she will be important in helping rebuild it. Therefore, the person she’s with has to not only be cool with being at Winterfell often, they have to not induce immediate fury and rage in her siblings.
sandor? triple dead. tyrion? we’ll call him 1.5 dead to be polite. aegon vi? doomed and dead. harry hardyng? does Not seem likely to relocate. littlefucker probably would relocate but good luck getting two steps into the north or riverlands without every living starks’ “it’s time to beat that annoying fuck up” alarms blaring in their heads ready to run him through.
theon is a hard maybe but since he actually feels bad & also grew up with them, i think he has plenty of time in the next 2k pages of story to make up some ground with jon, arya, and bran. margaery feels like a hard maybe as well - it’s looking bleak for the tyrells & i don’t think margaery’s family is going to let her move to the north without a good reason. but i also feel like. there’s too many unknowns to technically count her out.
brienne & pod Will be living in the North and they Will be on the guard and That Is That. jeyne & jon don’t seem to have any plans on leaving the North any time soon either.
someone who won't feel threatened by her title
this is a near constant through line in her story - that whoever marries her will want her for her claim first and foremost. it's going to factor into her relationships, specifically about how she's going to have a child. whether she has a secret marriage, longstanding affair, or a public husband, it's going to be someone who is not constantly trying to usurp her power literally or metaphorically.
that means no aegon vi, no sweetrobin, no harry, no littlefucker, no tyrion. tyrion's claim to the westerlands is a competing one with her, and tyrion himself is interested in her title way more than sansa as a person (it's why he doesn't see her escape coming and why he's so bitter over it - the whole time he thought she was a silly girl and had no idea she was plotting to escape and nearly did escape at several points. he thought she was helpless! you can bet your ass he is going to feel threatened by the idea that she does not need his ass). sandor, imo, will also feel threatened by her having such a lofty title, and i cannot see him being capable of any sort of secret marriage. "well they could just marry publicly" she's not publicly marrying a man known to be a child killer. to be completely honest, i think margaery would feel threatened by her title as well.
jon, podrick, brienne, jeyne are all people who would not only not feel threatened, they would be proud, celebrate it, actively fight to keep her in a state of power. theon is imo a maybe - the theon we meet in the beginning would objectively feel threatened by Sansa having a title loftier than his. a theon who has lived through everything he has by the end of the dance is imo much more likely to be happier out of the spotlight. all of them as well would be willing to be frank about how she's going to have a child, and would not mind Sansa saying something like "my children were fathered by a wolf."
someone who shares her romantic sensibilities
listen. she's gonna like, get along with her suitor. someone who won't laugh at her for wanting to be swept off her feet, someone who also craves a more romantic life.
this eliminates, imo, harry, sweetrobin, littlefucker, and sandor, probably aegon vi as well.
brienne, jon, theon, jeyne, and podrick are all romantic types - jon imagines having children named after ned and robb just llike sansa, theon had dreamed as a hostage of marrying sansa and calling ned father, brienne dreams of lofty knightly ideals of protecting the weak, and podrick and jeyne both have stories very much tied to subverting the ideas of a true knight and a damsel in distress.
someone who is an Atypical True Knight
💙✨this is a post about briensa✨💙
true knight/hero from a song themes + marginalized in some way in Westeros = brienne, jon, theon, tyrion. sandor feels relevant here in that he is not a true knight but he clearly wants to be after his encounters with the stark girls and also he doesn't look like one either.
aegon vi could arguably count due to being dornish, so i guess i'll give him a .5 in this category. harry is as typical as they come, and neither margaery nor jeyne have anything that links them narratively to the concept of a true knight or hero from a story (except, i suppose, for jeyne's link to theon). podrick is also fairly typical but again, kinda lowish for a noble so i guess .5, and he also has several scenes where he's expressly linked with being an Atypical True Knight (mainly, the scene where he saves Tyrion during the Battle on the Blackwater).
a True Knight
i simply do not think the lesson sansa is going to “learn” here is that no one will ever love her for who she is and her marriage will be about her claim and nothing more because there are no True Knights left. every time someone is like “she won’t have a romance bc her story is about not needing love” i find it mind boggling because in what world is asoiaf about not needing love, first of all, and second of all, her arc wrt her desires for marriage and love has so clearly been tied to this concept of a True Knight and the idea that a True Knight does not always ~look good~ and that someone who is not a knight may be capable of good and that you can always just Choose To Do Good at any point but you have to Make That Choice, and that is all very different from “not needing love.” Sansa is naive yes but!! Sansa is Dunk sitting there surrounded by strong handsome men in expensive, gorgeous armor and asking if there are any true knights among them-
EXCEPT SOMEONE WILL STEP UP TO THE PLATE.
“a dream of spring” means there will be just a little hope. so help Will Come and they will be a True Knight they just won’t take a form she expects. this is a large part of the reason why i’m on the briensa train. Brienne is The Truest Of True Knights! She serves a King she's in love with who doesn't love her back faithfully, she swears a vow to Sansa's mother after comparing Catelyn's courage to that of a knight's and laments the fate of women who die unremembered in a birthing bed, she's on a noble quest to find Sansa with an assist from The Most Infamous Knight In Westerosi History, she’s the secret descendant of The Other Truest Of True Knights, and I feel it’s very clear from geography, theme, and foreshadowing standpoints that Brienne and Sansa are going to be linking up soon.
I have always felt that the Ashford Tourney Theory is linking Sansa to both Jon and Brienne narratively - Jon for being the dark haired Targaryen Prince defender and Brienne for being the Dunk descendant and True Knight that interrupts the tourney. Not only that, but Jon has that "she wished for a hero to strike him down" "ed, fetch me a block" parallel that I think is really important.
BUT. They're not the only ones with links like this. Theon has the similar link of how life is not a song and is actively grasping for redemption when we last left him. Podrick, like Brienne, is on a True Knight's quest to save Sansas and is discounted as a hero despite having several heroic moments for himself - including actively seeking Brienne out to help with her quest. Tyrion frequently struggles with concepts of morality but is on an absolute downward trajectory.
Who is not tied to these last two concepts nor acts at all like a True Knight? Aegon VI (arguable I suppose), Harry Hardyng, and once again, Littlefucker.
IN SUMMATION
Who doesn't fit any of the critera? Littlefucker, and that's why his ass is grass.
Who fits very little of the criteria? Tyrion (too old, not likely to live in Winterfell, cares too much about her title, on a downward spiral), Sandor (too old, too low born, not a True Knight and not becoming one any time soon, plus Arya will kill him if he tries something), Aegon VI (would not relocate, is not tied to the concept of a True Knight, plus he's doomed), Harry Hardyng (would not relocate, cares too much about titles, is not a true knight nor atypical in way, doesn't seem given to romantic sensibilities).
Who fits most of the criteria? Jeyne Poole and Margaery Tyrell. However there are pretty big plot reasons Margaery won't have any sort of romantic, subtext or otherwise, long lasting relationship with Sansa so even though on paper she fits, I think she's highly unlikely to impossible.
Who fits all of that criteria, ie, close to her age, has an important name (or has a reason why it doesn't matter), and is an Atypical True Knight with a romantic outlook on life with narrative links to Sansa? Brienne of Tarth and Jon Snow, and arguably Theon Greyjoy and Podrick Payne.
Anyways I think Sansa should start a bisexual polycule in the North. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
#asks#anons#sansa stark#rani attempts meta#briensa#theonsa#jonsa#anti sansan#anti petsa#anti sanrion#book jonsa
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I’m completely sure that Lancel Lannister will not only survive to the end of the series, but also inherit Casterly Rock after Cersei and her children die. She always wanted to be Tywin’s heir, and resented Jaime for getting that by virtue of his gender, so what better narrative punishment than the inheritance she always wanted going to the cousin she sexually abused? Lancel looks like Jaime and only wanted to be like him growing up, so it makes sense if his endgame is becoming the Lord of the Westerlands, becoming what Jaime could’ve been if he hadn't given up his lands and titles for Cersei.
Not to mention that GRRM will probably want to resolve the conflict between the Lannisters and the Starks before the series’ end, and unfortunately for all the pedo shippers who wanted Sansa’s forced marriage to Tyrion to become the cornerstone of peace, Lancel and Sansa being the ones that sign the armistice is more thematically coherent. She saved his life during the Battle of the Blackwater even though he was her enemy, and a Lannister always pays his debts. Peace will be born from an act of mercy, not from Tywin’s attempt to steal a girl’s inheritance and subjugate the North.
#make a guess what triggered this whole rant 😂#asoiaf#my meta#valyrianscrolls#lancel lannister#sansa stark#anti cersei lannister#anti tyrion lannister#anti sanrion#anti tywin lannister
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jonsa is so overhated, it’s totally fine if people don’t like the ship or whatever like that’s up to them but trying to put jonsa on the same level as s*nsan and s*nrion is really gross
Yeah, I agree that if the hatred of Jonsa is presented as a moral stance, it's hypocritical to ship Sansa with adults, especially those two as one threatened her life repeatedly and intended to rape her, the other married her while she was being held hostage by his family and had no choice but to marry one of them.
I understand that fans say "well, the Hound didn't rape her" and "Well, Tyrion didn't force her to consummate the wedding” as signs of their virtue, and I do think that Martin's interest in characters who are decried as monsters ultimately being unable to hurt Sansa is pretty great, but it's a misreading to think the idea is "actually, these guys are good!" instead of, there is power in Sansa's goodness.
A lot of those shippers will say that the hope is for it to happen post-canon, thereby sidesepping the icky "age gap" (as they like to call it), but that doesn't change the fact that these men lusted after her as a child and used her powerless situation to mistreat her—threats of violence or plotting to take her home. Remove Jonsa from the scenario, why would you wish Sansa to be stuck with either of them? How could that possibly be a good thing for her? It's all stomach turning, especially the fandom’s enjoyment of the (sometimes NSFW) fanart in which she is her canon age. I highly recommend filtering the tags.
In a historical context, cousin marriage is just not a big deal, no matter how much people clutch their pearls and pretend it’s on par with Sansa getting stuck with either of those men. If we go by Martin’s original thoughts on a fauxcest romance between Jon and a Stark girl, the conflict of the romance won’t be that one is the victim and the other the victimizer, but rather, that they both want each other and can’t act due to their own values until parentage reveal. I genuinely don’t think an unbiased person would say that’s worse than Sansa getting stuck with one of the men who abused or took advantage of her. 🤷🏻♀️
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Thinking back about how Marillion's attempt to rape her triggered Sansa's repressed trauma and she had nightmares about Tirion and Sendor assaulting her and she waked up with the dog and wished for Lady instead
And yet some fans still think this is positive foreshadowing for their toxic ships
#sansa stark#asoiaf#anti sansan#anti sanrion#a storm of swords#asos#sansa vi#sansa stark defense squad
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honestly one of the most disturbing aspects to me of the way people respond to sansa and tyrion's marriage, and sansa's frankly natural and justified response to it, is the fact sansa has so little agency at that point.
like the lannisters can force her to do this thing, but they can't force her to be happy about it. hell, CERSEI acknowledges this. so sansa's personal feelings and grief is what she is allowed to have, the narrative allows her anger, rather than refusing to conceal it just because there are some people in this fandom who have trouble recognising that tyrion is NOT the victim in this situation and therefore don't want to read sansa's perspective on him because it exposes thar. so going back to sansa's agency, it really disturbs me the way this fandom is so intent on denying her autonomy even within her own personal opinions about things that affect her and her own goddamn family as well.
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Hey, Sansa fandom, any good, non shippy, mostly canon (although divergence is fine), Sansa-centered fics about her time surviving King’s Landing, Joffrey, court, etc? Love the scenes where she saves Ser Dontos, later pretty much manipulates Joffrey into risking his life, etc, and have always wondered what she told him to make him spare the woman with the dead baby, for example. Haven’t found any fics digging deeper into her time just surviving while trying to be kind and saving those she is able to with nothing but persuasion (fics that don’t pair her with an abuser that is).
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Sansa Stark
My fave best girl! 🥰
/the fact that the most popular ships of my baby girl are with her (very old) forced husband, abuser or the who put a knife in her troath it's a thing- Anyway, stan Starkpoole/
I like asoiaf from the beginning but her chapters made me fell in love with the books-
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@starrology101 Sansa’s going to end up with two grown men who assaulted and harassed her because they’re ugly?
I'm just
not counting this was in reply to a post I wrote in 2021 and like... it's been two years whatever but not counting that if you read it you missed like the entire point and I'm not gonna get into it again but like
nor tyrion nor sandor have ever assaulted or harassed her, like sandor lit saved her from a mob and didn't beat her when joffrey ordered it, tyrion actually tried to stop that and after he was also forced to marry her by his father (when he absolutely did not want to either but hey that wedding was apparently coercitive just on one side??) he made a point of not having sex with her when technically it was within his rights so like........ dunno where you got that notion but that shit didn't happen in either books nor show so idk what to tell you
blackwater being assault is like..................... if you see it like that you can but he absolutely didn't do anything to her, he was drunk, he left and she thinks he kissed her when that never happened so like again everyone is free to be as uncomfortable with blackwater as they wish and I absolutely will not be the person saying you have to find it romantic or suck it up or whatever but it was meant for it to be what makes sandor want to get better and she romanticized the shit out of it after make out of that what you will
'two grown men' tyrion in the books is 24 and sandor is like 27 and no way sansa gets with either of them before wow which means she'll be at least 16 which makes it an entirely reasonable age gap within westeros customs and norms like lit no one thinks sansa should have been with either of them in the actual canon so you do you
'because they're ugly' my pal idk how to explain it anymore when it's obvious in the text but grrm has a thing for beauty and beast narratives, the entire point of that trope is that one of the two isn't stereotypically good looking and certainly that ain't sansa out of whoever else it is and sansa in the beginning thinks marrying a pretty guy is the bee's knees and then the narrative goes like 'yeah all the pretty guys you thought were great are also horrid people inside' and in this kind of narrative the point is realizing that what you thought was a+ in the beginning isn't what you actually want/need so yeah two **ugly** guys that everyone treats like shit because they're not standard attractive and have trauma and so on will be more likely endgame options for sansa's bc her entire shtick is falling in love with someone who's **ugly** outside and not so much inside which neither sandor or tyrion are so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
idk if you read the books but all of sansa's asos chapters + affc ones are her basically thirsting after sandor and convincing herself he kissed her first so she can like tell herself a narrative where *she* picked the guy who was her first kiss and so on when everyone else is basically exploiting her and fucking littelfinger took that like............ that's basic romance novel 101 idk what to tell you take it up with grrm not me
tldr: sandor or tyrion (not both) are the only two characters that are viable for sansa as love interests looking objectively at the narrative, you don't like that go take it up with grrm but I can 100% assure you that either of them is way more likely than the guy she thinks is her brother and is the only one of her siblings she wasn't close to while she was the only one of his siblings she wasn't close to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#jesus christ guys this post is from 2021#i have nothing against j*nsa as a fan ship but there's no way it becomes canon like#i'm begging y'all i also didn't gaf for jondany being canon i'm not on their blogs denying possible text evidence they'll bone#it's 2023 are y'all seriously still discussing about j*nsa vs sansa/not standard attractive ppl#i'm begging you all PLEASE#i am too stressed and tired and burned out for this discourse again#janie replies#anti-jonsa#i'm not even tagging it but god#sansan for ts#sanrion for ts
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Except that one moment back in 1999, George has always called Tyrion as grey. He has also said some things in the 90s about Sansa playing a role in her father's death which you would point out as death of author. The moral benchmark that George has for his frictional characters is not that high and Tyrion is no villain like Cersei or Littlefinger or Roose. He is a dark character definitely but not a villain. George could have easily written her to hate Tyrion but he didn't to the point that she even defends him in front of Lysa. Tyrion also defends her during the testimony as much as he resents her escape which according to him makes him look more guilty. Is their relationship healthy? No way. Even Ned Cat in a modern au would have divorced if he had brought a kid and told nothing about him to her. This is a different setting. The way these characters approach love and duty is not exact how we do. Their standards of relationship are different. The relationship of Tyrion and Sansa is a bit adrift. It's not passionate. There is no love but there is also no hate. Time and time Sansa has defended him from accusations by Baelish and Lysa. The fact that everyone's anticipating for an annulment means that Sansa might not even ask for one and probably give the marriage a shot after both of them heal.
No.
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Lmfao the STD analogy that's spot on. Also I have never understood the whole thing about analysis on sleeping with someone in order to unlearn stuff when it comes to Sansa because any relationship borne from this which many people think regarding some pairings is eventually going to be insincere and extremely toxic. It's the abominable version of pity sex.
Hello Nim! Basically? It's copium 😂 They can't admit their ship got torpedoed by canon, so they desperately try to find a reason why their fave will be relevant for Sansa's future character development. The purpose of Sandor as a character was to show us, through Sansa, the dark side of knighthood as an institution and how victims sometimes perpetrate the cycle of violence, and like any character that fulfilled their purpose, he was removed from the plot and sent to dig ditches on the Quiet Isle. The shippers obviously don't want that to happen, and try to invent reasons for him to stay in the plot. The argument that she needs to fuck him to unlearn classism not only gives him relevance, it also makes them look better to the unaware and probably makes them feel better about themselves. Now they can delude themselves into thinking they're supporting a pedophilic ship for woke reasons, and not because they masturbate to pedophilic content 🙄
#asoiaf#my meta#anti sansan#anti sandor clegane#sansa stark#sanrion shippers also pull the *sansa needs to fuck him to unlearn ableism* argument but it's late and i have no energy to write about it
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oh no is tyrion gonna be in the jon snow show?? i hate that that shit's even being made at all. who tf wants to watch a show about that weak mouthbreathing emo pussy.
Lmfaooooo I gotta agree with you there. I’m also very worried about Tyrion’s potential involvement given how they destroyed his character in season 8. I don’t really want them to bring Tyrion or Sansa back, I wish HBO would just leave them alone and let fic writers (like me 👀) sort out the mess they made.
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OMFG go off on how repugnant Tyrion is in your video! One of the most disgusting Sansa takes that I could never stomach is the idea that she should be nicer to Tyrion or when people call her Sansa Finger as an insult. Do these morons realize that these two men were her abusers? All in the name of villanizing Sansa people will straight up out themselves as sexual abuser sympathizers. Don't even get me started on the people who get angry that she didn't leave with the Hound at Blackwater battle.
LOL WELL SOMEONE HAS TO GO OFF ON HIS SCRUB ASS! The fact that people will actually go out of their way to excuse the fact that Tyrion is self-pitying because his child bride hostage who was orphaned by his family doesn't like him drives me BANANAS.
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My opinion on why people hate Jonsa so much: it's not because of the ship itself but Sansa being in a healthy relationship.
Sansa is shipped with her abusers that are old enough to be her father and apparently that's fine.
But when people ship her with Jon, a cousin relationship that is completely fine in Westeros, someone that she grew up with and close in age with and her getting married to will make sense political compared to her marrying men that are in much lower status compared to her, that's going too far.
Just admit that you don't like the ship because it allows Sansa to be equal to her partner, not her simply being a therapist to grown ass men that have admitted on multiple occasions that they wanted to r@pe her.
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not only are some people trying to argue that elia approved of rhaegar's stupid actions but they're now trying to imply she would be sympathetic to tyrion, not sansa because she once cooed at him when he was a baby?
yeah exactly tyrion was a defenceless baby when elia met him, not a man she was being forced to marry when she was a child so he can steal her inheritance. sorry to tell you but she'd be 100% on sansa's side.
stop using elia to defend the selfish actions of men who hurt young girls
lyanna not wanting to marry robert doesn't cancel out that rhaegar was a married man with two children who took off someone else and did not leave her family any note assuring them she was at least safe. sansa being ableist because she was raised in a ableist society (which therefore your faves also possess and not only that overlooks her love for her disabled brother & her feelings towards willas marriage) doesn't cancel out that she was a child hostage being forced to marry into a family she hates because they're trying to kill her own and want to profit off her while they're at it
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