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I keep seeing pro-Jedi posts about how "attachment" in Star Wars is referring possession/obsession and not healthy relationships and like...guys Yoda literally says in ROTS to not mourn or miss deceased loved ones because that is the "shadow of greed". Can anyone else not see how messed up that is?
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Masterlist of all my anti-Jedi posts
The Meta:
The divide between Prequels era fans Here
The way you take the story depends on how you look at it Here
The Jedi's downfall is a tragedy and this inevitable and that doesn't mean I support genocide wtf??? Here
The Clone Wars both wants the Jedi to be unquestionably good and be three dimensional and these things conflict Here
The Republic and the Jedi are shown to have fallen in the canon but the audience overlooks it cause the Separatists are the bad guys Here
Why are we treating the massacre of the Tusken Raiders so lightly???? Here
The Jedi being the issue:
The Jedi Order is itself flawed Here
The Jedi's actions are the issue, it doesn't actually matter how they internally handle their emotions in the face of those actions Here
The Jedi encourage emotional repression, thanks Here
My issue with the Jedi's attitude towards attachment Here
The Jedi aren't impartial they just don't care Here
The Jedi having all the force sensitive kids is weird actually Here
The Clone issue:
The clones are slaves and we need to acknowledge that Here
On a similar note, there is no AU where the clones have free will that is consistent with the canon Here
Anakin:
Anakin's fears are valid actually Here
How can Anakin be too old to become a Jedi, how is this not alarming to you Here
#star wars prequels#anakin skywalker#star wars discourse#star wars meta#sw prequels#prequel era#vina rants#star wars prequel era#sw tcw#star wars the clone wars#star wars clone wars#anti jedi order#anti jedi#jedi critical
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Super funny how every time you criticize even the smallest thing about the order you get “sO YOu’Re gLAd tHEY dIED?! YOU WANT GENOCIDE?!” And then make some horrible misplaced metaphors about Buddhism or Judaism as if people can’t peacefully leave those religions or disagree with their beliefs without genocide. It isn’t the same thing as agreeing with Nazism as it is to disagree with the religion of Judaism. I’m not even saying I do but it’s ridiculous to place ex members of a religious group who disagree in the same category. It just proves my point, the “IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THR JEDI YOU MUST WANT THEM DEAD” is literally the most “culty” thing to say! Omg.! Literally proving my point with sentences like this. No the Jedi did NOT deserve to die like they did. That doesn’t make their order above my criticism. End of.
#anakin skywalker#anti jedi apologism#anti jedi order#anti jedi#I’m not advocating for genocide cause I don’t subscribe to your religious beliefs what the fuck even is this#atheists worth their salt don’t wish Christians dead for believing in something they don’t#there are other force users besides the jedi!#who are not sith!#light side users don’t have to be jedi I’m sorry/not sorry!!
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Jedi crits, please make less easily debunkable claims. The Jedi Path book is not canon just because Lucasfilm released new editions after 2014. All the Legends stuff you cite like Luke's Jedi Order allowing attachments isn't suddenly canon again just because a book published in 2010 is still in print
#jedi critical#anti jedi#anti jedi order#the jedi path#luke skywalker#anti yoda#anti obi-wan#anti obi-wan kenobi#anti ben kenobi#anti mace windu#jedi criticism
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The one person u seem the most upset w (the one w the really long url) didn’t say the things u claim, tho. I’m kind of confused, I guess. Because I follow u & read that response. & I looked for them & read the other response too, & they just don’t want u to tag them?
Then, why did canichangemyblogname invade @wingletblackbird’s post that she clearly disagreed with? She and a number of other Kenobists went looking for a debate, then decided to make it ugly by slinging mud at the OP and those of us who agreed with her that there were dubious consent/legal issues in Leia’s “adoption” by Bail Organa.
She didn’t have to do that if she didn’t want to get in an argument. Moreover, I was actually trying to be nice to her when I tagged her the first time by giving her the benefit of the doubt. She never outright said any of us supporting wingletblackbird were illiterate, racist, or stupid, but an insinuation of those feelings were very clearly given to me by her from her patronizing tone.
To me, it really seemed like she was just picking a fight by slinging mud because she couldn’t stand anyone criticizing Woobie Wan, Yoda, and the Organas.
I still say fuck canichangemyblogname! She’s not really sorry that she was rude. She clearly meant to be hurtful, even though I was trying to debate with her in a civil manner. The only reason she responded by saying it was I who “misinterpreted” what she posted is because she’s sorry that she got caught by someone who wasn’t going to blindly fall for her shit.
@tragicfantasy-girl
#star wars anon#anti canichangemyblogname#anti kenobists#anti jedi order#anti republic apologists#wingletblackbird#please canichsngemyblogname is not sorry for offending me in that post that wingletblackbird made#she meant to come off as a patronizing and petty bitch#she was not trying to argue in good faith at all
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The more I learn and consider of the Jedi Order, the more anti-Jedi I become.
#jedi critical#i've seen through the lies of the jedi#ooc#anti jedi order#pro individual jedi#except yoda tbh
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It's continuously frustrating that this show REFUSES to condemn Anakin for the things he's done or even really explicitly call him out on them, and they even go so far as to basically decide none of it even MATTERED.
But all they can say about the Jedi is that they failed.
When asked what Anakin was like, all Huyang says is that he was "intense."
The worst Ahsoka says is that he was "more dangerous than anyone realized" and then two episodes later she's calling him a "good master" despite everything he did to her and the rest of the galaxy. She never ONCE condemns him for committing a genocide against the Jedi and hunting them down for over two decades. She never ONCE condemns him for enslaving the clones and betraying their loyalty and using them as weapons against the Jedi they loved. She never ONCE condemns him for trying to personally kill HER.
He jokes with her, he gets to say that he wants to protect her, he gets to guide her into choosing to live, he makes recordings for her that she still uses years later. Anakin gets to be "more" than just his failures.
But the Jedi, somehow, do not. The Jedi are ONLY EVER their failures. Ahsoka never mentions them otherwise, she never remembers them fondly at all, she has no stories or connections about any of the other Jedi, she constantly disregards Jedi protcols as foolish and ridiculous at best.
The best thing they can say about the Jedi is that the "idea of them" had merit. But Anakin gets to be a GENUINELY good Jedi Master, more than just a good IDEA.
And this just feels like the WORST of double standards to me.
#star wars#jedi#ahsoka show#ahsoka tano#ahsoka series#pro jedi#jedi appreciation#jedi order appreciation#ahsoka 2023#star wars ahsoka#sw ahsoka#ahsoka spoilers#anakin critical#anakin skywalker critical#anti anakin#anti anakin skywalker
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Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases
The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side
The Jedi did not lose their way
The Jedi were not corrupted
The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault
The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing
The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone
and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion
The Jedi do not steal children
If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them
The Jedi are right about attachment
Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)
The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them
The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first
Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)
Gray jedi are not a thing
The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery
Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)
Feel free to add anything I forgot
Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all
#wooloo-writes#wooloo writes#star wars#sw#jedi#jedi order#pro jedi#in defense of the jedi#the acolyte critical#the acolyte#sw acolyte#anti the acolyte#anti acolyte#acolyte critical#star wars the acolyte#anti filoni#anti dave filoni#dave filoni critical#the jedi were right#the jedi did nothing wrong#george lucas#anti gray jedi#anti grey jedi
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Anakin and Ahsoka are “pick-me’s.”
Don’t worry, I’ll elaborate.
Anti-Jedi folks will always, always, lift these two assholes up as “better than all the rest of the Jedi.”
They’ll say that they have “empathy,” and “compassion,” and that they “care about the little people and not just the politicians in the Senate”—or whatever the fuck else they wanna say—all because Ahsoka and Anakin “Aren’t Like Other Jedi™️”
Now, theoretically, you could say the same thing about Qui-Gon, Kanan, Cal, etc. except for the fact that they themselves don’t believe that.
They loved being Jedi, they viewed themselves as being Jedi, they loved their fellow Jedi and the Order. They didn’t betray their family, they didn’t blame their family for their own fucking genocide or basically call their practices stupid because “look how much better I am teehee.”
Qui-Gon, Kanan, Cal…they loved the Order and being Jedi in a way that Ahsoka and Anakin didn’t.
Ahsoka’s change is partly Anakin’s fault, since she only changed after being his padawan, but that doesn’t change the fact that now she’s so entrenched in her own ignorance that she truly believes that the Jedi brought on their own genocide because they didn’t train non-Force-sensitives.
So yeah, Anakin and Ahsoka are massive pick-me’s and y’all are too.
#star wars#sw prequels#anti anakin skywalker#anti anakin apologists#anakin skywalker critical#ahsoka tano critical#pro jedi#pro jedi council#pro jedi order#qui gon jinn#kanan jarrus#cal kestis
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SPOILERS IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE THIRD EPISODE OF AHSOKA
PRO JEDI RANT DOWN BELOW
This Loth Cat is a good representation of me not losing my mind on how badly the Jedi Order is being completely defiled by Feloni. Okay…so apparently according to Feloni anybody can just be a Jedi if they try really, really hard and believe in them because the Force resides in everyone when we all know that that’s not fucking true according to Lucas. Yes, the Force resides in all things HOWEVER it is the Force sensitive (I.e. the Jedi and Sith) that are able to wield the Force because they’ve got the blood to do so (midocholorians… I’m sure I’ve butchered the spelling forgive me). So with that being said, does anything in Star Wars even matter anymore? Like honestly.
By this logic…anybody in the OT could have just destroyed the Sith if they tRiEd HaRd EnOuGh. So I guess fuck the importance of Luke Skywalker and all the other survivors of Order 66? And I suppose by this logic none of the prequel Jedi or hell even Anakin doesn’t matter because anybody can just wield a lightsaber and tap into the Force if tHeY jUsT bElIeVeD iN tHeMsElVeS? Why does Rey matter when apparently anyone could have taken down the First Order and destroyed Palpatine when some fucking Mando could have just done the job of being Force sensitive doesn’t matter?
Like believe me guys, I am TRYING so hard not to be a hater but it truly makes me sad to see the one element of Star Wars I love so much (I.e. the Jedi Order and everything they do and stand for) just get picked apart and trashed over and over and over again. I just don’t understand it and I know I can’t be the only one feeling like this.
Also Ahsoka’s character right now is reminding me of Luke’s in TLJ where I feel like I’m seeing and hearing a completely different character and it’s heartbreaking when you’ve looked up and loved these heroes so much. Like for Gods sake can we settle the score in where Ahsoka stands with the Jedi? Is she or is she not? Because right now she’s doing a poor representation of all her mentors who have lost their lives staying true to themselves, Jedi who gave everything to protect and save lives. Now she seems to just go out of her way to scoff at the Order that raised her, similar to Luke dismissing the very thing that gave him hope in the OT.
As these new shows go on, it just makes the fall of the Jedi Order all the more tragic just seeing how their sacrifice and good will meant absolutely nothing. That’s why characters like Cal Kestis and Cere Junda are incredible. They stayed true to their Jedi values no matter what because that’s what the galaxy needs, heroes who care. Not heroes who have personal agendas.
#pro jedi#pro jedi culture#ahsoka show spoilers#anti ahsoka#anti dave filoni#darth felonious#jedi order#star wars#long live the jedi#jedi#the clone wars#ahsoka tano#luke skywalker#rey skywalker#cal kestis#anakin skywalker#obi wan kenobi#barriss offee#luminara unduli#leia organa#yoda#mace windu#plo koon
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Hello, Dave Filoni. Let’s play a game. You have four hours to explain the plot of the Star Wars Prequels and the Clone Wars without claiming that the Jedi ‘failed Anakin’ and without using the words ‘corrupt’ ‘unemotional’ or ‘flawed’ to describe the Jedi Order. If you can do this successfully, you are free to go. If not, there are several hungry, rabid raccoons waiting for you. Your time begins now.
#I’ve never watched any saw movies I just thought this was funny#star wars#pro jedi order#pro jedi#anti dave filoni#is this the original post tag
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The part that messes with me the most about the Jedi's approach to Anakin their complaint that he was too old
If a literal child is too old for your cult, I don't know what you're doing but it is nothing good
How can you expect me to believe that things you can only learn at a young age, when you don't have enough life experience to challenge it are in anyway good
How can you expect me to believe that a healthy mental state is one that requires you to have no other mindset, and no knowledge to challenge your teaching because they Jedi don't get to leave, unless they leave for good
They genuinely have no knowledge to question their experience, is this not terrifying
How can you expect me to believe this isn't indoctrination when it requires you to be so young as to be completely impressionable and at the mercy of adults who control everything around you
You are never too old and never too damaged to get better, not in the real world, not when it comes to sustainable ways to improve your mental wellbeing
Yes it is easier if your foundation is already built but you can still build a foundation from broken rocks, it will just take more effort
But somehow Anakin was both too old and too damaged for the Jedi
Something is wrong and I don't think it was with Anakin
#anakin skywalker#the fall of anakin skywalker#star wars prequels#star wars#jedi critical#anti jedi#anti jedi order#anti jedi code#star wars meta#star wars discourse#star wars preqel era#star wars the clone wars#star wars clone wars#clone wars#sw tcw#sw prequels#Vina rants
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Lmao I just got blocked by @short-wooloo I must be doing something right.
Yes Anakin committed crimes. Yes he was groomed and abused. These aren’t separate opinions.
I still love him. I’m allowed to love characters who do problematic things and I’m allowed to talk all about his background as it relates to trauma. Anakin did not make his choices in a vacuum. This bad from birth bullcrap needs to stop. I WILL call it out for the bad meta it is. They don’t speak for all survivors. I too am a survivor and I refuse the “Anakin was never groomed or abused he just somehow was evil all along”. STFU.
#Anakin was groomed don’t @ me unless you want roasted!#couldn’t come up with a counter arguement so just blocked me#makes sense.#anakin skywalker#star wars#anakin star wars#anakin and obi wan#anakin needs therapy#anakin#anti jedi order#anti jedi apologism#rant
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I think it's so funny that there's this widespread headcanon that Anakin loves droids and droids love him because it just... has no basis in canon. Anakin likes ONE DROID throughout all of the time we see him and that's R2. He barely manages to tolerate C-3PO despite having literally programmed him, and Padme treats C-3PO with more compassion and respect than Anakin generally does. When R2 is thought lost, Anakin treats the replacement droid like shit (yes, that droid ended up a spy but Anakin doesn't know that and that's not why he treats the new droid like shit). Anakin is also shown to be a lot quicker to mow down battle droids that aren't attacking him than Obi-Wan is. He's never shown actively caring about droids in general, just ONE droid. There's nothing to prove he cares about droids as a matter of principle, either, he just happens to like R2.
By contrast, the Jedi are often headcanoned as being dismissive of droids (and sometimes as dismissive of Anakin for caring about them), when there's multiple examples of this being untrue. Ahsoka obviously also likes R2 and considers him a friend, but she's just as quick to treat his replacement well and with the same level of kindness she gave to R2. Mace makes an offer of peace to the battledroids after THREE YEARS of battle with them. And of course then there's Master Huyang, who literally holds the rank of Master within the Jedi Order because they value his knowledge of lightsaber construction so highly, and all of the Jedi are taught to treat him with the respect that deserves and they initiates all work really hard to ensure that he ALSO makes it out of Hondo's attack alive and refuse to just leave him behind.
So I feel like we should be seeing fewer storylines involving Anakin being the only person who cares about droids and the Jedi chastising him for it, and more storylines involving the Jedi literally having to remind him to respect and care for other droids, yes, even if they're annoying sometimes, yes, even if they seem broken or useless, yes, the Force flows through them too even if it feels different.
#star wars#droids#jedi#pro jedi#jedi appreciation#jedi order appreciation#pro jedi order#anti anakin#anti anakin skywalker#anakin critical#anakin skywalker critical#r2-d2#ahsoka tano#mace windu
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I just saw a post saying "None of the Jedi who survived Order 66 are shown apologizing to the Clones for what they did to them :("
... LOL! The Jedi can literally be slaughtered down to the children and yet be blamed and expected to apologize to their killers for it after the fact! Yes it obviously wasn't the clones fault, Palpatine mind controlled them, but as far as most of the Jedi know their long-time allies turned on and participated in a genocidal campaign waged against them. Why would they apologize?
If we're going split hairs I could just as easily point out that the Clones haven't been shown to apologize to the Jedi either. Even after they started breaking programming they don't seem to experience a, "Oh my gosh I slaughtered the Jedi!" moment. One of the few interactions we see of Jedi and Clones post Order 66 was Rex in Rebels who seemed more mildly annoyed by Kanan being nervous and traumatized around him than anything.
Am I saying the Clones necessarily need to apologize as if they're personally guilty? No, if they know about the inhibitor chips they'll know it wasn't their fault. But in that case what sense does it make to demand the Jedi crawl back to the people they think betrayed and murdered them to apologize for something they didn't even have a hand in in the first place?
#Jedi defense#In defense of the Jedi#Pro Jedi#Jedi Order#The Jedi Order#The Jedi#Star Wars#Clone army#sw clones#Order 66#star wars discourse#Jedi Order discourse#anti Jedi bashing
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Extremely unpopular opinion but I know in my heart that Padmé Amidala would be awful parents to Luke and Leia. Padmé would refuse to talk to the children when they’re upset and the less said about Anakin ‘youngling slayer, hand cutter, “but the women and the children too” Skywalker the better tbh
I think it’s weird that people are convinced they would be the worlds best parents with the healthiest relationship, I’ve seen a lot of posts saying that Leia and Anakin would be super close when like.. Leia was a rebel and a feminist, in what way would Leia and fascist fanboy be bffs. I’ve seen the same that Padmé and Luke would wear matching outfits and gossip and all, but that’s not fitting with Luke’s character at all? Idk every time I see Luke in those family fics he’s infantilised to all hell - even besides that children aren’t copy’s of their parents, they have their own autonomy and personality.
Realistically Padmé and Anakin are far, far to obsessive over each other to give their children a healthy upbringing, Anakin choked Padmé (while pregnant) out of anger which makes me think abt what exactly he’d do if angry with the kids or Padmé? Like he cut off Luke’s hand, it definitely doesn’t bode well
^^Edit: looking back on this now abt Padmé being “alright with it” that wasn’t the case, sorry abt that one guys
I honestly believe that had she had lived long enough she would’ve tried to raise the children with Vader. Anakin never really seemed to care that much over the kids (I believe because it was a realisation that they couldn’t keep their affair hidden any longer and he would have to choose between being a father/husband or a Jedi) and I couldn’t imagine he’d be alright with Padmé having to give a lot of attention to the kids instead of him.
Ultimately Owen/Beru and Bail/Breha were the best options for raising the children seeing as the Jedi order was out of the question. The reason Luke and Leia turned out to be healthy, well adjusted adults is because of their respective adoptive parents (Aunt/uncle), not because of “to be angry is to be human” amidala and alderaan destroyer 2000 Skywalker
Sidenote: throughout RotS Padmé and Anakin barely even trust each other💀💀 how are 2 people who can’t trust one another supposed to raise kids cmon now
#luke skywalker#leia organa#princess leia#star wars#star wars text post#anti anidala#they would would awful I’m sorry#pro jedi order#obi wan could’ve raised them though#I actually kinda like Padmé - she’s mother but she’s not a mum yk#anti anakin skywalker
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