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nerdychristianfanboy · 7 months

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I keep seeing pro-Jedi posts about how "attachment" in Star Wars is referring possession/obsession and not healthy relationships and like...guys Yoda literally says in ROTS to not mourn or miss deceased loved ones because that is the "shadow of greed". Can anyone else not see how messed up that is?

@tragicfantasy-girl @gch1995 @fanfictasia @caripr94 @caracynthia

#star wars #anti yoda #anti jedi order #anti jedi code

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marveltaughtmetoread · 1 year

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The part that messes with me the most about the Jedi's approach to Anakin their complaint that he was too old

If a literal child is too old for your cult, I don't know what you're doing but it is nothing good

How can you expect me to believe that things you can only learn at a young age, when you don't have enough life experience to challenge it are in anyway good

How can you expect me to believe that a healthy mental state is one that requires you to have no other mindset, and no knowledge to challenge your teaching because they Jedi don't get to leave, unless they leave for good

They genuinely have no knowledge to question their experience, is this not terrifying

How can you expect me to believe this isn't indoctrination when it requires you to be so young as to be completely impressionable and at the mercy of adults who control everything around you

You are never too old and never too damaged to get better, not in the real world, not when it comes to sustainable ways to improve your mental wellbeing

Yes it is easier if your foundation is already built but you can still build a foundation from broken rocks, it will just take more effort

But somehow Anakin was both too old and too damaged for the Jedi

Something is wrong and I don't think it was with Anakin

#anakin skywalker #the fall of anakin skywalker #star wars prequels #star wars #jedi critical #anti jedi #anti jedi order #anti jedi code #star wars meta #star wars discourse #star wars preqel era #star wars the clone wars #star wars clone wars #clone wars #sw tcw #sw prequels #Vina rants

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currentlyobsessedwithobi-wan · 4 months

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Random thoughts about the Jedi Code.

(Reminder that I am no expert, so what I'm going to write at are just that : thoughts and opinions)

I guess what irks me is that, in my opinion, those who said that the Jedi Code/mantra is wrong take it way too literally.

People sees sentence like :

There is no emotion, there is peace

Or

There is no passion, there is serenety

And immediately thinks "oh, the Jedi aren't allowed to have or express emotions. How unhealthy !"

Now, I'm not religious but my mother is and so when I was younger I sometimes went to the church with her. And of course, I know the jedi order and christianism isn't the same thing at all, but what I realised is that religious writing have deeper meaning than it seems. And sometimes this meaning isn't quite obvious at the first read. Otherwise, there wouldn't be someone willing to spends minutes explaining one single sentences.

And even if we don't talk about religion, there's also philosophy. I don't know about other countries but where I'm from philosophy exams consisted in reading a complex text (sometimes long, sometimes short), difficult to understand and then "rewrite" in our own words and making it easier too understand. And sometimes I will actually spend an hour trying to understand it, because often the meaning of the text wasn't obvious. Because I had to study it and actually make an effort trying to understand it.

What am I trying to say ? Each field of knowledge has it's own vocabulary, it's way of expressing itself. Same words don't always have the same meaning depending in which field it's used (like attachment in psychology vs attachment in Buddhism). And knowledge, especially the philosophycal kind, is usually expressed in a more complex way than we would like.

I don't think I'm doing a good job at explaining this. Ironically, I'm not very good with words.

Basically, when I see "There is no emotion, there is peace", or there is no passion, there is harmony", I don't immediately think "the Jedi can't have emotion". I think about how none of the Jedi are emotionless, I think about Obi-wan joking with Anakin. I think about Obi-wan laughing in the elevator scene. I think about how kind Plo Koon is. I think about looking so broken as he hold his dying Master. I think about obi-wan getting angry at Anakin before the fight with Dooku. (I realise of course, that obi-wan is my main exemple, but since this is mostly based on the movies it's either he or Anakin). Anyway, if Jedi were forbidden to have emotion, he would have been expulsed a long time ago. But I also think about how Yoda said that "fear lead to anger. Anger leads to hate. And hate lead to suffering". And so, all of that considered, when I read "there is no emotion, there is peace" what I understand is that one shouldn't allow their emotion to control them. One can feel emotion and acknowledge them, but should always have a clear head, be balanced, before acting. Because instantly acting on emotions, mean acting on impluse. And acting on impulse when lives are on the line isn't the best decision, in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm not sure if most of you will be able to understand what i tried to say since I am, I repeat, bad with words (and English isn'tmy first language, I only use it on social media), but I wanted to share anyway.

#star wars #star wars prequels #jedi order #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #obi wan kenobi #jedi code #anti jedi bashing

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foundfamilynonsense · 2 years

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I feel like it’s interesting how Ahsoka doesn’t say “the council didn’t trust me I hate them that’s why I’m leaving” she said “the council didn’t trust me so how can I trust myself”

Like… I don’t think the writers meant anything by it. This is clearly an anti-jedi arc, which is why I hate rewatching it bc there’s literally no reason for the jedi hate like ??

But I think it’s interesting. It could be interpreted differently than how most people view ahsoka’s leaving.

I’ve always kinda thought ahsoka left because she was struggling with the dark side and was too angry with the order (irrationally, in my humble opinion, but clearly angry) to think clearly. So she made the mature decision to remove herself from the equation to figure it out.

I think there’s a lot of canon evidence to support that. Like how she says at the end that she needs to figure things out on her own. She never says she hates the council or doesn’t believe in the war effort or whatever whatever.

But that line about not trusting herself, I completely forgot about it. She doesn’t even sound angry at the council here. She’s almost agreeing with them. She saw herself as invulnerable because she was a jedi. Of course she didn’t do these things she’s a Jedi they KNOW her. But then the guilty party turns out to be Barriss.

She sees herself in Barriss. If it’s Barriss, it could have just as easily been her. The council was right not to trust her with all the evidence against her. And seeing yourself as immune to the dark side probably isn’t healthy.

Idk, I’m sure this isn’t what the writers necessarily meant by that line. Like I’m sure they didn’t write that line with the underlying meaning of “ahsoka is agreeing with the council’s decision and realizing she is not invulnerable to the dark side” but I this it’s a cool way to interpret it.

#yes I’ve written another lost jedi arc meta post #it took me a while to get through the arc ok #I always get really disgusted by it #not just for the out of the blue anti jedi sentiments #like oh let’s get mad at the jedi for *throws dart at board* underpaying their workers #like…. what #the Jedi…. are a nonprofit religious organization #funded by the senate #I find it odd they even have workers at the temple who aren’t jedi #but beyond that the whole ‘let’s make our only Muslim coded character and make her a terrorist’#like wtf is that #star wars #clone wars #the clone wars #ahsoka tano #pro jedi #jedi #jedi order #in defense of the jedi

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happycattail · 5 months

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The irony of seeing the Jedi Appreciation Tag on a fic and then right next to it see a Breaking the Jedi Code tag and a Jedi Code Bashing tag and a Jedi Council Bashing tag. Like what’s even the point? What are you appreciating exactly, cuz I can tell you it’s not the Jedi.

It’s like saying I’m appreciating a hamburger but I hate the meat and vegetables and actually I only like the buns really

#jedi appreciation #jedi code appreciation #jedi positive #I genuinely don’t get people who tag like that #fandom issue #Star Wars #anti jedi bashing

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smhalltheurlsaretaken · 2 years

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another day, another 'luke was actually redefining what it means to be a jedi when he said 'i am a jedi' because he was embracing the Forbidden Attachments and absolutely very completely Taboo Familial Relationships and being more compassionate and Jedi-like than any Jedi before him' take in my for you tab.

like. aren't people tired of being so wrong about stuff i'm right about

#coping with humor #sdfsdfgfd 'oh luke was embracing the fact that he's vader's son and that's a radically anti-code stance ergo luke is the best jedi ever'#no????? the jedi don't think having children is bad???? that's not why they don't marry????#look luke proudly declaring himself a jedi came BEFORE the order y'all seem determined to misunderstand so no.#it wasn't about him being better than they were #it was about him living up to yoda and obi-wan's teachings and being everything anakin should have been #i'll be coherent about this another time but that's just one dumbass take #luke skywalker #anakin skywalker #darth vader #return of the jedi

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avo-kat · 9 months

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block and move on block and move on block and move on block and move on block and move on block and move on

theres literally 0 point in willingly exposing urself to bullshit. if u see bullshit, unfollow, block, move on. there is nothing to be gained from this. nothing.

#this is a far better code for space wizards than whatever the sith or jedi have going on btw #and by saying u im actually talking to myself #seeing the literal dumbest anti-vegan takes is like the vegan equivalent of seeing those bullshit ads for mobile games #that are so infuriatingly easy to tempt u to engage #dont fall for the trap #literal honey trap even sometimes

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gch1995 · 2 years

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I’m a Kenobist but I will explain to you why I believe Obi Wan is Asian and African coded along with him having traits of the lgbtq community. (I’m a straight white British male however I’ve spoken to my Asian and Black friends and they have no issue with me saying Obi Wan is Asian and African coded) first, Obi Wan was originally meant to be played by a Japanese actor, George Lucas wanted this lad to play Kenobi but it never happened and second, Obi Wan shows respect to poc people unlike Anakin

When has Obi-Wan ever shown any respect to the disabled, mentally ill, or people of color? How is he at all “Asian” or “African coded?”

He belittled Jarr Jarr and Anakin by calling them “pathetic life forms” upon first making their acquaintance.

The Jedi weren’t as bad as the Sith when Anakin was growing up, but they weren’t very respectful of other cultures either. In fact, they were exceedingly distrustful, judgmental, and occasionally even hostile towards them if they got in their way.

As for Anakin, he never had a problem with POC in and of themselves. Did he become more hostile towards people from outside cultures and enemies over time under the influence of the Jedi and Sidious? Yes, but he certainly didn’t start out that way. It happened gradually over time through decades of grooming by corrupt cult soldier authority figures in the Jedi/Republic and Sith/Empire and through personal negative experience when he was constantly in battle.

#anti kenobists #pt jedi critical #obi wan is not Asian or African coded #and yes he was racist #a lot of the members of the Jedi and Sith grew to develop racist ideals and stereotypes #but it wasn’t something that happened overnight #they were involved in insular soldier cults that encouraged excess paranoia towards the outside world #not saying it’s okay but I’m explaining why it happened

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cptsd-skywalker · 2 years

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Hot take: Anakin should NEVER have been allowed alone with Palpatine at such a young age. All in the comics (some cannon some not idc, point still stands) they have a young boy going off to bars with a creepy old man trying to groom and abuse him. That’s so messed up. No one thought for a moment it might be a problem with The Chancelor taking a young impressionable formerly enslaved child with no agency to his private quarters and out wherever he pleases? It reminds me of my last child abuse and it honestly blows my mind. There was such a huge power imbalance between them. Its clear evidence that Anakin was groomed from childhood (with all the gross implications that come with that) to be palpatines slave. Anakin who so craved love and attention as any child would isn’t in the position to say no to anything Palpatine asks of him. The incompetence here is ASTOUNDING.

This is so wildly inappropriate.

#anakin skywalker #palpatine you trick ass bitch #Palpatine #smacks of csa coding #how can people say Anakin wasn’t groomed when shit like this exists?#he was groomed don’t argue w me #child abuse #the jedi at best neglected him at worse were directly responsible #anti jedi #anakin star wars #anakin did nothing wrong #Anakin and grooming #chancelor palpatine #emperor palpatine #Anakin #grooming #trigger warning #anti-jedi #anakin

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jessequinnfirstofhername · 1 month

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What is the story behind Codywan? I don't know anything about this ship that's dominating the poll!

I don’t think I’m the right person to ask. I’m not anti-Codywan or anything, I just know nothing about the ship.

However @creativside did a really good explainer in the replies of Round Nine. I’ll copy + paste it here:

Caveat: I don't ship it, but I don't ship-shame and I get the appeal. So imagine there are these two people, thrown together in a really awful war. They fight side by side, both responsible for leading others into dangerous and sometimes certain death situations. Everyday is very frightening, every day coukd be their last. One of them has magic powers, he's basically a superhero, constantly putting himself at risk to protect (more coming )

2/ the other and his men, though they were all told they're expendable. He always, *always* uses their chosen names. In spite of all this power, the magic one is constantly dropping his magic sword, and so the field officer is always keeping an eye of out for it. They often brush hands when he passes it back. They often share cramped sleeping quarters where they don't sleep much, kept awake by war. They keep each other alive, (one more)

3/ remind each other to eat, and are always looking for ways to show the other they care, since every day could be there last. Of course, it's a love that can never be. Good soldiers follow non-fraternization orders, good Jedi follow the Code of non-attachment.

If any Codywan stans want to add their two cents, I’d love to hear from you!

#star wars #obi wan kenobi #commander cody #codywan #best star wars ship #jesse’s star wars confessional #??? maybe

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david-talks-sw · 11 months

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The Sith don't want peace.

I've seen some fans use the below quote by Lucas in the Revenge of the Sith director's commentary to frame Darth Sidious/Sheev Palpatine as "evil but with well-meaning intentions".

"Lord Sidious thinks he's bringing peace to the galaxy because there's so much corruption and confusion and chaos going on. Now he's gonna be able to straighten everything out, but the price the galaxy is gonna have to pay for it is way too much."

And uh... no.

Sidious thinking that him ruling the galaxy will bring about peace as a byproduct and him wanting to bring about peace are two very different things.

He's not doing what he does for altruistic reasons. He's a selfish dick who is saying that technically the galaxy won't be fighting anymore and the corruption in the Senate will be quelled... because of course it will be, they'll all be under his thumb in his totalitarian regime.

So Palpatine is not lying, but he's not being genuine either. And that's his whole schtick.

"The Jedi are holding you back, Anakin." Yes, because Anakin has a tendency of flying off the handle, mainly because you enable him to give in to his darker instincts, Sheev!

"The Jedi are trying to take over!" Temporarily? Yeah. Because you're a dictator who orchestrated a war and cemented division across the galaxy, and everyone behind you is corrupt to the bone, SHEEV!

He's not Thanos or Killmonger, he's not the "if you think about it, he's actually a good guy who took it too far" villain.

This is a modern myth with a binary view of good and evil. He's Iago, Jafar, Freezer. He's not "gray", he's the classic "he's evil because he can be" villain. The Emperor is the Devil. As stated by Lucas himself:

"Palpatine is the Devil. There’s no fall from grace there. He’s the evil one." - Starlog Magazine #337, 2005

And the Sith are not pragmatists or people who try to bring positive change using their passion. They're not "free thinkers" who "follow their own path". They're not "religiously persecuted for pursuing knowledge beyond the dogma of the Jedi".

And this battle between the Jedi and Sith, thousands years prior to the films ⬇️...

... it didn't happen the way it's shown in the comic panel. That's Sidious showing horrific unreliable visions to Maul - a child - to indoctrinate him into hating the Jedi.

You know who does that? A cult. That's what the Sith are.

Hell, their code was partly based on Mein Kampf.

The whole "the Jedi 'limit' but the Sith 'embrace' and that's why we're being hunted down" line is just that. A line.

It's what the Sith tell themselves to justify the fact that they fucked with Dark Magic, got corrupted, and are now making it everyone else's problem.

"The Sith are people who are very self-centered and selfish. [They] learned how to manipulate both sides of the Force, and then they fell into the trap of being corrupted by the dark side." - Sci-fi Online, 2005

Which is why the Jedi step in, to stand up to them.

"The Jedi are the enemy of the Sith because the Sith want to dominate the galaxy, to control everything, and for a thousand years they have had a plot against the Jedi." - Sci-fi Online, 2005

The Sith just wanna subdue and control everyone around them, including the Force itself, to fashion the galaxy in their image.

"The end game for the Sith was to bring the world into a very selfish, self-centered, greedy, evil place, as opposed to a compassionate place." - James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction, 2018

So sure, have fun with your The Old Republic OC, go to town.

But when it comes down to it, when we're talking about the intended narrative (I'm looking at you, The Acolyte):

The Sith don't care about peace, they're literal religious extremists.

While some Sith may say they're misunderstood and some may justify themselves as being altruistic... at the end of the day, they're objectively not. They're greedy, power-hungry and self-centered.

They're the anti-theme to Star Wars' theme of "be compassionate".

#again 'The Acolyte' looks like it'll be objectively good but it's a real slippery slope man #sith #Darth Sidious #Sheev Palpatine

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marveltaughtmetoread · 1 year

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I think the crux of the disconnect between Prequels era fans is that the Jedi supporters believe the Jedi are good and right, and it is on this that we should support, and the Jedi critical fans are like no one in this era is good and right, including the Jedi, and the fact that you won't admit the Jedi are wrong is driving us insane

Because frequently when Jedi supporters are arguing with me, they are dismissing the notion that the Jedi could ever do anything wrong and then bring up how awful Anakin is as a way to say I am wrong, because I support Anakin

Which I don't support Anakin????

I like him, he is an incredibly compelling character especially as someone who knows what it is like to repress your feelings and want so badly to hold onto the ones who care for you

But I don't support him, it's actually because I relate to him that I don't, I wish I could save him, I have compassion for him, but he killed people, he committed genocide, twice??? In the Prequels??? He is exactly the type of person who terrifies me in real life, I don't support him

My love of his character writing does not mean that I am overlooking his clear moral failings or even that agree with him, because I don't, I actually love his character more because he is written to be so flawed morally, he is an exploration of emotional repression and how wanting power, even if it is to save someone else can still make you a bad person, it is this complexity that drew me to him as a character

I am drawn to morally complex characters in spite of the fact that their actions go against my morals, because I personally find morally complex characters to be more compelling

So why then, if I like morally flawed characters do I have such an issue with the Jedi and their morals in particular

Quite simply, it's the way they aren't written (especially in the Clone Wars) with that same moral complexity, they are written as if they are moral good

And it is this framing of them that a lot of Jedi supporters have clearly sided with and made their reason to support the Jedi, they believe the Jedi are good and believe that fans should support morally good characters so they can't understand why I wouldn't support them

But the Jedi aren't morally good and I find the inability to acknowledge that alarming

The Prequels movies do a much better job of showing how their inaction leads to bad things, but even in the Prequels there isn't a full of acknowledgement of how far they have fallen

Whereas the Clone Wars just doesn't acknowledge it, at all, they flatten the story down so it has no moral complexity, they have clear cut good guys and bad guys, the Jedi are the good guys, no matter what, the bad guys are the Sith, their is the occasional attempt at making the morality of the Clone Wars more grey but it is inconsistent, and overall the approach is a binary

The issue is, in painting the Jedi as morally good, the Prequels era glosses over how they aren't, they aren't objectively good, no one in the Prequels era but in pretending that they are, you make the meta around the canon morally complex

You have people defending the Jedi's use of the clones, choice to ignore slaves and chain themselves to the Repiy, handling of Anakin and the Padawans in general, involvement in the war and everything else because the Jedi are framed as good guys

I have yet to meet anyone defending Anakin's actions because he is so clearly framed as the guy falling to the Dark Side, we are meant to mourn his fall but we aren't meant to think he was in the right

Not everything the Jedi did is bad, but enough is that placing them on a pedestal and calling them the heroes, acting like they don't deserve this slander when Jedi critical fans are just pointing out how the Jedi are morally compromised, is messed up

There is no moral high ground when it comes to the Prequels, everyone compromises themselves (including Padme, she stayed with Anakin,), but some fans want to act like there is and so we have a disconnect

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draconi-dae · 1 year

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I’m thinking a lot about how Andor as a show opposes a lot of the ideas of the Jedi code, and I’ve seen a few people put their thoughts on the lines about trying, so I thought I’d toss my brain in the ring

“Do or do not, there is no try”: a 1983 message about motivation and taking control of your own motivation and purpose. Do nothing by half measure, you have to have intent to succeed or you’ll never make it. In a movie that has been officially stated to be anti-war commentary about the protests against the Vietnam war, it makes sense that this would have a double meaning for viewers. Given by a wise old master to a young man as passing along wisdom.

“Remember this: try”: a 2022 message in a time where way more people feel absolutely hopeless about the state of the world. No matter how dismal you think it might be, you can make a chip against the despair in the world. If you just try a little, make an effort, it will help. In a show that’s blatantly anti fascist and anti capitalist, it’s clearly meant to be a message that just a little does something, even if it all seems futile. Said by a young rebel in a manifesto that he’s writing against the fist of the Empire.

Obviously this is a good amount of nonsense, it’s currently past 2 am and I’m kinda rambling, but my god. My god. This show has taken over my mind entirely

#I have even more thoughts on this #this is one of the shows that inspires me to write about it #andor #andor spoilers #andor meta #cassian andor #return of the jedi #yoda #star wars #star wars andor #sw andor #andor series #karis nemik #Jedi

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thisbibliomaniac · 9 months

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"I'm anti Jedi" well somebody didn't pay close enough attention to who is good coded (blue sabers) and bad coded (red sabers)

#star wars

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mandalorianchronicles · 1 year

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Mandalorian History 101

The following is a simplified timeline of all the major events in Mandalorian history leading up to The Clone Wars. This is compiled from the section of The Bounty Hunter Code dealing with Death Watch and Mandalorian history. It is copywrite 2014, the first year of the new canon. Though the book is not included in Disney canon, it was published after TCW episodes dealing Death Watch and not been refuted by anything in current canon, so there is no reason to believe it is not accurate.

approx. 7000 BBY - The Taung race (Progenitors of present day Mandalorians) cleanse Mandalorian space of its inhabitants and lay down roots

approx. 4000 BBY - Mandalorians fight alongside the Sith in the Great Sith War, but are betrayed - Mand’alor the Ultimate opens up the creed to their slaves and conquered people because their race is dying out - They begin a campaign for galactic conquest called The Onlaught, but it was more to fill out their ranks with new recruits - They are defeated by the Republic and the Mandalorians lay low for a time

approx. 1100 BBY - Mand’alor the Uniter brought the best and brightest Mandalorians from the throughout the galaxy home - Warriors ruled, protecting the artisans, manufacturers, and laborers who supported them, and the vassals and servants who supported them in turn - The Darksaber is forged by Tarre Vizsla (the only Mandalorian to become a Jedi)

approx. 700 BBY - Mandalorians begin to stir again and the Jedi take up arms, nearly wiped them out in the “Annihilation” - The New Mandalorians who rejected the warrior ways gain power when the Republic installed them in the government - The Aka’liit (The Mandalorian Faithful to the warrior way) lived in the shadows, giving the allegiance to the True Mandalores they appointed

approx. 200 BBY - There is a split among the Faithful – some wanted to conquer any potential threats while others argued against starting wars and living by more peaceful means

approx. 60 BBY - The Faithful chose Jaster Mereel as the True Mandalore, who wanted to implement honorable rules of conduct for all Mandalorians on how they earn wealth by bounty hunting or the red trade - Tor Vizsla, who dreamed of Mandalorians returning to their roots as conquerors, split away and formed the Death Watch, becoming the Secret Mandalore. The Death Watch used the Darksaber (an heirloom of House Vizsla) as a symbol of their authority and made a decree than anyone could challenge the Secret Mandalore for leadership and “win” the Darksaber*

52 BBY - Tor Vizsla killed the True Mandalore, Jaster Mereel - Jango Fett’s adopted father

44 BBY - The Death Watch tricked the Jedi into eliminating the True Mandalorians for them

approx. 44-39 BBY - The Great Clan Wars take place within the ranks of the The Faithful - Adonai Kryze is killed in battle - Duchess Satine Kryze of the New Mandalorians assumes the throne of Mandalore - Tor Vizsla is killed by Jango Fett in 42 BBY - The Darksaber is entrusted to Pre Vizsla, governor of Concordia and the new Secret Mandalore of Death Watch, who takes in Bo-Katan Kryze as his protege

Since the Great Clan Wars take place after the True Mandalorians are wiped out, we know that Adonai Kryze was not part of their ranks. The following quote from Tor Vizsla concerning the Kryze family suggests that Adonai was one of his men, or was at least revered by him. Considering that Tor dies shortly after this is written, it’s not a big leap to see how Bo-Katan came to be on Concordia with Pre Vizsla, his successor.

“Meanwhile, centuries of New Mandalorian lies had left the Mando’ade weak and soft. One of my kinswomen, the Duchess Satine Kryze, had been sent offworld as a child by her father, a mighy clan warlord, and she fell prey to the lies of the Jedi. After father perished in the Great Clan Wars, she betrayed his memory by becoming the leader of the New Mandalorians. Aided by Jedi tricks, she became the newest Anti-Mandalore, whereupon the exhausted Mando’ade flocked to her banner. Some of our warriors were exiled to the moon Concordia. Others – myself included – slipped away to resume the ba’slan shev’la.” - Tor Vizsla

* The decree that one could become Mand’alor by winning the Darksaber in combat from the current Mand’alor was an invention of Death Watch (in canon and legends), so it suggests a strong tie between Death Watch and the Children of the Watch that the latter is so hung up on this “tradition” when it’s only been a thing for about 70-75 years.

#the mandalorian #mandalorian history #death watch #tor vizsla #the darksaber #house vizsla #clan vizsla #the children of the watch #true mandalorians #jaster mereel #mand'alor #duchess satine kryze #adonai kryze #bo-katan kryze #pre vizsla #paz vizlsa #din djarin

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orchestraytedkhaos · 7 months

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Rexsoka. Yeah, it's my ship. Still.

I mainly just lurk here, reading fanfic and enjoying the memes. But the angst of the last few has given me the courage to dive in and say a few words.

First, let me clear the air: Rebels was when I started shipping Rexsoka. Prior to their reunion on that show, it had never ever occurred to me to ship them. Despite having read the novels.

So, yeah, look, I totally get the opposition to shipping early Clone Wars Rex and Ahsoka. She's a child. He's a child too, arguably, although his accelerated maturation makes everything super messy. The military structure and fact that Rex is basically a slave means its got power issues galore. Then for those in the US, there is the whole 18 year old age of consent thing (noting, for good or ill, it's 16 most other places). I get why this squicks people. It's the SanSan of Star Wars.

But people grow up. Even on TV.

Season 7 Ahsoka is 17 going on 18, and effectively an adult. She's commanded armies, and just spent a year living and working independently. She is also obviously mature and, frankly, animated that way. Rex is a long term friend, they love and care for each other, and by the end of the season, she basically risks everything for him, and he for her. The episodes are also written in a very obviously shippy way, with the gazing, the chats, the meaningful converstions, the hand holding and the tears. Not to mention that sad, moonlit reunion in Tales of the Jedi.

And although I dont think it matters much, by this time, even taking Rex at double chronological age, the gap is pretty mild by fantasy standards. 17-18 and about 26, roughly the same as Buffy and age-corrected Angel, and way less than Han and Leia.

Fast forward to Rebels, and we have two mature adults with a shared history and goals, who love, trust and admire each other, share common interests, and are amongst the most important people in each other's lives. It's a believable and natural thing for that to progress to something more. The challenges to their relationship are things like, for Ahsoka, the lingering memory of the Jedi code and Anakin and Padme's destructive passion, and Rex's rapid aging, status and limited life experiences. It is those kinds of emotional and external barriers and their shared trauma that make the romance so interesting.

Season 7 + and Rebels Rexsoka is classic friends to lovers, and one of the nicest, softest and most realistic relationships in Star Wars. The opposition to it, and moraliatic shaming of those who like is, is something I simply don't get. It's bizarre. There are heaps of ships that are far, far more problematic (including Anakin/Padme) that don't get this hate.

Like, anti dudes, what exactly *is* the problem here? I suspect the it's that some people just want to get their hate on.

The recent flashbacks? Yeah, that one on Mandalore complicates thing, but I doubt they had stomping on shippers in mind when they cast Ariana, as I have seen suggested elsewhere. The more likely scenario is that - at about 14 yo when this was filmed - Ariana was totally perfect for the first flashback, and is perfect for playing young Ahsoka going forward. Even setting aside that she is an amazing actress, she's insanely athletic and can duel weild light sabres while knee walking though a twist. She's also already tied to Disney. She wasn't quite right for the part, and, I agree, that does make watching it in light of the fanfic a bit uncomfortable. But, it's not just a shipper issue. Putting an Ahsoka that looks and sounds like that in the episodes with the Martez sisters and Bo Katan is weird af too, and doesn't work. I doubt it is meant to.

Story-wise, the best and only real take is that the flashbacks aren't live action replays. The Mandalore scene doesnt even chronologically match what happened (Ahsoka is so fighting Saxon in that scene, which never happened). They are visions about Ahsoka and Anakin and their relationship, not live action replays. Both remember her as a child caught up in a war. Smoke, the fog of war, flashing lights and dying, faceless clones.

And Anakin and Rex.

What I take from these is that in Ahsoka's mind, and Anakin's too for that matter, Rex is always there for her. Standing in the chaos, calm and confident in himself and in her, and looking badass as heck. With an older Ahsoka it would have absolutely been smoking scene from her pov, and no way was it written otherwise. As an older Ahsoka remembering, it's hot. As younger Ahsoka, he's there as her protector and friend.

Do I do ever think this ship will play out on screen? Not, no explicitly. And, yeah, it probably is harder now because of that vision (although if they ever do film a younger Ahsoka series, they will undoubtedly be casting a young actor for Rex, and Ariana will, by then, be 18). But I don't think that was intentional, and I don't think that much has changed. It was always intended to be an "open for interpretation" relationship, written with the possibility not excluded. And I am good with that. Perhaps I even prefer it. Star Wars has a truly dreadful record with romance and, besides, too often cementing subtle or ust-based ships kill them. I just hope this hasn't, because it's still my ship and I love it.

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