Pete being under Vegas' spell thinking about Vegas in KinnPorsche Episode 9

Book Spoilers!!

Seriously don't read it if you haven't read the novel.

I think I really need to say this

Pete doesn't have a Stockholm Syndrome.

whereas

Vegas has a Lima Syndrome.

Lima syndrome is when the captors forms a psychological bond with their hostage.

In the novel, Pete hates Vegas and doesn't want to stay captive in his house. He even thinks of killing himself. The only reason he doesn't do so is because besides him there is no one to take care of his grandparents.

So, for his grandparents sake, he decides to keep living. He decides to stay put and not fight back to Vegas just because he thinks that Vegas will let him go after seeing how good he is.

(well his plan took a 360° turn)

Also Pete is the nicest and sweetest person. And just because of out of the goodness of his heart he feels sad and pity for Vegas after realizing how much of a bastard his dad is. He understands why Vegas is the way he is but he still doesn't love him or even like him.

It was Vegas, who was so much deprived of love from his childhood that he fell for the the first person who asked him if he was okay.

He slowly stopped forcing and torturing Pete and started pampering him. When Pete realized that Vegas wasn't going to let him go even after being nice he decides to annoy Vegas ( effects of being with Tankhun) and also because he as bored out of his mind. Which also didn't work because Vegas now liked that there someone who wanted him without any reason.

(Dude needs serious therapy)

Pete finally realizing that maybe Vegas is in love with him goes into a really deep conversation with his mind and resulting outcome he comes up with is that Vegas doesn't love him or else he wouldn't keep him in chains.

(a really good outcome tbh but it's Vegas we're talking about)

So, frustrated and finally losing it he puts all his efforts to get out of chains and doesn't care if it hurts him. And surely Vegas can't see Pete in pain so he frees him.

Now, this was that moment where Pete fall in love with him. He didn't fall in love with his captor but the person who freed him because he couldn't stand seeing him in pain. But because it was a really overwhelming and confusing emotion he decides to put it all away and ran far away from it.

(Vegas deserved that hit in the head)

He tried to stay away from all the possibilities of him ever meeting Vegas again. He even thought about marrying a girl and settling down.

But all those feelings that he buried down deep inside him came back when he saw Vegas during the final battle between the two families when Vegas's father died.

He realized that Vegas was willing to change for better just for Pete. But he would again go psychotic if Pete wasn't beside him. Pete again being the nicest person couldn't let the man he now cared about return back to the darkness and accepted his feelings for Vegas.

Yeah, so that's it. Pete in the novel is just a good man with a healthy mind. It's Vegas that was.... Uk crazy or whatever you wanna call him.

But in the series, Pete looking at Vegas torturing a man without flinching, idk his character maybe a little different.

I've been reading various fanfics dealing with the series for a year now. Endless variations of Vegas and Pete, Kim and Chay... One shots, novels, longer stories. I feel like almost everything has been said and thought about. The fleshing out of the canon, the back story, the childhood and what might come after.

I developed a real addiction and couldn't get enough, especially of the complex relationship between Vegas and Pete and their respective very multi-faceted characters. The number of authors is huge, but I also spent a lot of time reading them. To my dismay, I am noticing signs of fatigue in me.

Now that everything seems to have been said, every possible happy or tragic ending seems to have been thought out and told, many fics veer off into alternative universes and genres.

It's all wonderful to read and I'm grateful that there are so many unknown but worthwhile authors whose work will never be printed but who are worthy of a large readership.

But: Since fanfiction is tied to concrete people and concrete, and to a readership that has seen the series. How do you see the future? The actors will take on new roles, if all goes well, new beautiful plots will be developed there too and good series or films will be made.

How long can the hype around KinnPorsch and the series continue? Do you have the feeling that everything is coming to an end, now that the anniversary of KP is being celebrated in a big way? Is boredom creeping up on you or is the end not yet in sight and is there still a lot that needs to be written? I have also asked this question to other writers because it really bothers me, but I would be interested in YOUR answer.

Hi there!! hmm interesting question and I don't really want to discount how youre feeling or anything but i do very much doubt that everything that could be possibly said and thought about for this fandom has been done already.

because this show isn't really that old? and the age of the show or when it finished really has no bearing on the existing fandom if you think about it. at a certain point fandom breaks away and becomes its own separate entity.

like i wouldnt say im an expert but the things that keep fandom alive are not really even directly related to whether there's new episodes or video clips or content about the actors from the show that the fans can consume.

take teen wolf for example (because its a fandom ive been in the longest) that show ended in 2017 and literally as of now when i've just checked it on ao3 it has 106,344 works written for it. A show that started in 2011 and finished six years ago. And people are still posting stories for it today! (i myself still have some WIPs which i eventually intend to finish off and share) ignoring the fact that there was a teen wolf movie recently that hardly anyone in the fandom watched it's still inspiring fic, and fanart even now six years later.

and why is that? because there's no time limit on a fandom, it's because of the fans creating things like fanart, fanfic, playlists, gifs, meta analysis, tumblr posts, twitter posts, fandom discords etc. because having a constantly running tv show or a movie or book doesn't keep a fandom alive. fans do.

to compare right now, the works i can see in kinnporsche tv series tag in ao3 havent even topped 10,000 yet. like seriously let that sink in. 106,344 fics to 9,556. like im not really trying to compare right now but its just to give you some idea that KP in particular is really just starting out, like we are literally dealing with a baby fandom here so i wouldnt despair just yet that people have already run out of ideas or that its already finished because if you have dedicated fans behind you you can end up with literally over one hundred thousand stories to read about that fandom. and tbh teen wolf isn't even the biggest fandom out there!!

And if you are feeling fatigue with the KP fandom right now then of course i would recommend stepping away from it for a while in order to give yourself a break. because at the end of the day it is totally up to you to customise your own experience.

im not really sure why it matters whether authors writing for this fandom will be published or not? im mean they literally cant legally publish fandom works? or profit off it? not without sanding the story down to repurpose it for entirely new characters. but you can always save or download copies of your favourite KP fic and if you are interested in a physical copy you could always get these bound into a book yourself (with permission from the fic authors of course).

im also a little hesitant to address the comment about 'worthwhile authors being worthy of a large readership' because it kind of discounts all of the other authors who are putting their time and effort into posting stories and might not be getting the same level of comments or kudos or attention as others. like the whole point of keeping a fandom alive is to interact with all of it and if you want to encourage more content than that means dealing with the fandom at a community level. (im not talking about the dont like/dont read elements of fandom obviously the rule of thumb there is to just click out)

But i personally really dont like the idea of setting some authors above the rest because their stories might have gotten more attention or traction within a fandom. it's meant to be a community. not a hierarchy. nobody should be on a pedestal in fandom. and i would hesitate to put any number of people above anyone else for this reason. like we really all are just people being inspired by the things we watch and experience. and by suggesting that some authors might be 'worthy' it also implies that others are not, which kind of goes against the spirit of fandom imo and can be really discouraging for people creating art or fic that might not be getting as much likes, reblogs, kudos, comments etc compared to others.

I also just want to point out that a lot of people come into fandoms without having ever watched the specific content that the fandom might be about? its actually a very common thing and they still read and engage with the fandom anyway in spite of this? so its really not tied to specific people or a readership that has watched the series.

At the end of the day i really don't think hype is what keeps a fandom alive, it's the dedicated people within that community who like and share and comment and talk to each other about the stories they love.

personally im not at all bored with this fandom (and tbh im still not bored with teen wolf lol) so i hope you aren't discouraged by the idea that a fandom simply will fall apart without its tv show because i absolutely can reassure you that it wont!

and also, taking time from a fandom can also mean that when you are ready to come back there's always the possibility of falling in love all over again. so really dont let the fatigue bother you! just because your love might be waning for the show doesn't mean that others are feeling the same way! there's always plenty more for people to share and enjoy and talk about so its not really over.

tbh fandoms dont ever really finish or disappear completely anyway. like at the end of the day you have platforms like ao3 where peoples works are archived for all time and tumblr where hints of fandom will always still roam about in reblog land. that kind of love doesn't just vanish!

welp this was a long response lol but i hope it helped in some way!

wanted to get this in before the new ep tmrw, but i’ve been thinking all week about the vegaspete temple scene and vp’s dynamic in it. specifically when pete asked vegas (unprompted) if he’d like him to get him a new water jug, and then again when vegas basically ordered pete to go throw the water away for him 👀 i think it was probably to show their dynamic as like, mafia heir and bodyguard, showing that pete is still required to serve vegas because he’s just a bodyguard but it was giving….other implications 👀 (tbh i dont really see vp as very D/s heavy at all, i think they’re more focused on roles in s&m so even if this was a nod to D/s undertones, im curious as to how they’re trying to incorporate it into their dynamic)

Hey,

Okay, the VegasPete temple scene was very important so if you didn't get it. Let's back up. Of course Pete is going to ask if he wants another water jug because it's giving merit. Giving merit is fundamental to a lot of belief systems but essential in Buddhist ethics. It is a beneficial and protective energy, which accumulates as a result of good deeds, acts, or thoughts. Further more these merits brings good and wanted results, determines the quality of the next life. It contributes to a person's growth towards enlightenment. There is more but that's the basics. So, you see how important merit is and doing merit together is for families and couples. It's to bring them closer together and insure a place together in the next life.

It's pretty valid why Pete asked Vegas if he wanted a different jug. They truly believe that doing it together will bond them in the next life. I don't know what to equate this to for everyone to capture the significance. It's essentially putting your hand out, taking the other person's hand and saying "always and forever" While it's not a wedding vow, it's still a promise. That's why it's very important how we interpret Vegas' level of devotion. Does he believe this when he tells Pete that he wants to share merit, personally I see Vegas as a believer.

In my personal opinion, I never saw a moment in which Vegas treated Pete as less. There was no mafia boss and bodyguard at all. The way they both talked to each other was with complete respect. Now the questions is, whether we believe Vegas was being sarcastic or not.

As far as the D/s element and you not seeing it.... I'm gonna be honest. I can tell just from how you talk and type that you aren't a member of the community. You gave me no respect, what so ever and actually if you were a member of the community, insulted me. I'm not taking it personally and I'm not saying this to keep anyone who isn't part of the community from asking questions. However, I don't appreciate someone insinuating community knowledge when they clearly aren't. That I do take personally. I will agree that one command doesn't make a Dom but I'm pointing out what I see, which is something a lot of people want to know. Considering I am in fact a member of the community.

Reasons for Vegas to hate the main family and his father (includes spoilers from the show & novel)

Vegas gets physically and verbally abused by his father, most likely since he was little

(novel) Vegas suspects that Khun Korn and his grandfather killed his mother

Vegas is being told by both his father and people from the main family that he is useless and will never achieve to be as great as Kinn

The sons of the main family see Vegas as someone who is nothing more than a troublemaker and treat him as such

(novel) From a young age Vegas' father has pimped him out to business partners (something I only learned the other day and still can't comprehend tbh)

Vegas sees himself forced into situations where he has to uphold intimate relationships with men he doesn't like

The main family uses the minor family as their "cleaners" to torture and kill people and to do all the other dirty work. At the same time the minor family is ridiculed for it and seen as lesser compared to the main family

(novel & maybe series?) Vegas' father is extremely homophobic

(novel & maybe series?) Vegas' father is abusing Macau as well

Vegas' father has ordered him to kill Pete, the one person Vegas can truly connect to

Porsche being all shocked about Vegas' betrayal and asking him "He's your cousin. How could you do this to your family?" in ep10 really hits different, if you think about Vegas' point of view... No wonder Vegas laughed, because to him that question must've sounded totally ridiculous.

i think vp are okay when they are doing angsty scenes but when you turn up the romance is a little… eh, it doesn’t look genuine and like a natural progression to me. tbh, from what i have gathered, that ship is being carried by vegas, like vegas is the actual character people are interested in, how vegas is in love, how vegas develops, how vegas reacts to x; pete is an afterthought it seems.

Damn, you're right! When I thought about their sex scene, I legit thought about how Vegas carried that sex scene and that's so funny to me. The romance feels ... flat? I don't know if that's the right word to describe what I'm thinking, but that's the closest thing to what I'm trying to convey here. They could have been very intense friends and nothing would have changed because the romance was never really there. Again, Vegas seemed like he was way more into Porsche than he was into Pete, and he was manipulating Porsche the entire time. We saw Vegas reminiscing and getting horny over Porsche headbutting him after he drugged him in episode 4. We saw him lust over Porsche, but not with Pete.

In their story, Pete was more reactive than proactive. His only role within this dynamic was to react to everything Vegas was doing. It is interesting to think about how I've never actually interacted with a Pete stan, so you may be onto something. Does Pete have stans? They're not vocal if they exist, because Vegas stans are extremely vocal. Anyway, the ship was never about Pete, which leads us into another issue. If you could swap Pete out with literally anyone else and the story still wouldn't change, then the ship isn't anything special. This didn't have to be Pete, is what I'm saying. It could have been Pol. It could have been Ken, if he wasn't the mole. It could have been anybody and I don't think it would have changed much because Vegas's journey was the main focal point. Even when you see fans talking about this ending, people aren't saying anything about Pete getting a happy ending. They're talking about how Vegas is the emotionally broken character who finally got his happy ending. Pete is just the conduit; he's just the vehicle in which Vegas got his 'happy ending.' It's about Vegas. This is about him, not about Pete. Which is probably why they didn't focus that much on Pete's feelings about all of this because his feelings weren't important to the story.

Pete doesn't truly exist on his own in this ship. Individually, he's his own character. Within this ship, he's not. Within the ship, his characterization oddly enough disappears, if that makes sense to you. It's like Pete becomes whatever the narrative needs him to become in order to further progress Vegas's story and journey. That's what I mean.

ooh ooh ooh, for the meme, tell me the character everyone gets wrong in both mdzs AND in kinnporsche 🧋

oh girl MDZS is to easy we all know it's a mix of JGY first and foremost but know what I'd also say WWX especially if people have only watched the LA and not read the novel. What I like about MXTX's work in general is all the characters are interesting in some way even if I don't "stan" them or whatever.

Like I don't stan JC but he's still an interesting character in his own right. WWX is an interesting character, I really like them, but fandom has a tendency to do the opposite to him what folks do to JGY. Folks like to Bond Villain JGY and woobie-fy WWX. Which flattens both characters to their most trope-y basic parts. Fans don't seem to want to confront and include the good aspects of JGY and the net good he does in the novel, just like they don't want to confront the negative aspects of WWX and the harm he did to others (also being self-destructive like that's a char flaw and not a uwu he hates himself uwu like self-destructive behavior is a BAD thing it's not cute).

I can get behind slut!WWX with the best of them but also acknowledge that when pushed, and at his worse, he also murdered a fuckton of people lol

For Kinnporsche, hmmmmm surprisingly I feel like majority of fandom has a decent grasp on the characters as they're presented in canon. For a bit I'd say people were struggling with understand Kinn and surprisingly, Pete.

Kinn was obvious, Porsche is our beloved and Kinn hurt him (around the Tawan arc) so sympathy was more inclined to go towards Porsche than people trying to understand Kinn's POV. I think one thing fandom was struggling with was understanding Kinn's filiality towards his father (sound familiar? lol) and the mafia life. Porsche's problems - being poor, feeling out of his depth, being insecure about his relationship with Kinn when an old ex shows up - are much more relatable than the weight of being a mafia heir lol

For Pete, well for a while there was this idea that Pete was like...a good person??? Which I thought was baffling. It goes back to this violence thing, audiences tend to only care about violence if it happens on screen, and even then only if it happens to chars they feel emotionally attached to. Like if Pete had beat up Chay or something to protect Vegas (which I could see him doing tbh) I think fans would view Pete as more idk "bad" I guess. I don't view Pete as an either/or but a both/and. Pete, like most of the chars in KP lives by his own internal moral code.

Like, Pete kills people. That's a thing he does. On screen even. He has no qualms about murdering people for the betterment of the main family, and later to protect Vegas. He's a perfect match for Vegas in that sense, because he's self-aware enough about himself to know he's a violent person, or at least is fine with violence. He doesn't shake or look away when Vegas is torturing a man (in his hilarious murder poncho at that). I like Pete as a character for that reason because he's set up as the BL tropey best friend of the protag but he ends up being way more than that.

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