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puppyeared · 4 months
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if you're walking at 5mph, but your feet are on sideways, and the sky turns green at 2:53, and Keanu Reeves has been sent to Neptune, what's your favorite video game
i cant walk 5mph in the first place, im only 5'4 and i have to walk like marvin the fucking martian everywhere i go
if my feet were on sideways i would still manage to get my shoes on wrong because i cant tell my left from my right
if the sky turns green that means every single car on the road is allowed to go at the same time
keanu reeves cant be sent to neptune with an expired passport
my favorite videogame MIGHT be professor layton and the diabolical box just because ive never been able to get over the ending, but mario galaxy and deltarune also come to mind
#this was very fun to answer thank u :o) ive always loved multiple choice questions#maybe if i had more multiple choice in my life id be able to get things done faster just closing my eyes and hoping for the best#its amazing that i dont own a magic eight ball. it would do wonders for my natural indecision and superstition#also to be fair ive only played the first two layton games even though i have the 3rd and 4th games on my cracked cartridge#BUT thats because my copy of unwound future is ass and it freezes on the opening cutscene so i cant even play it. sigh#maybe i should consider getting the mobile remastered versions but im lazy and i dont even know if i have enough storage space#there should be enough space on my ipad though so maybe. or ill back up some files to make room idk#i would have also answered undertale bc i had a huge undertale phase when it came out but im gonna be honest. ive never actually played it#im actually wondering if i should buy a copy for myself for xmas using grays steam account#the only thing im worried about is my motor skills are bad with keyboard and im dreading the asgore fight bc i heard its hard#but ive also never watched a full playthru so i feel like id be going into the game blind which sounds exciting. and ill prbably cry a lot#besides that ive been replaying mario galaxy with gray and i forgot how good the game is.. i love the ambience and game mechanics#although the races are so nerve wracking and i hate the controls sometimes. did u know i died on loopdeloop galaxy TWELVE FUCKING TIMES#also deltarune because i love EVERYTHING abt it i love the lore i love SUSIE i love the whole thing kris has going on#yapping#ask
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theircastletown · 1 year
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was also paying more attention (and like dot-connecting) the details in chapter 1 about the religiously-toned strict/suffocating aspects of toriel's parenting bc i didn't really want to see it before :(
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da-proti-toku-grem · 8 months
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I've been wanting to do this for some time and seeing @beeoftheanxieties reblogging the appreciation posts with the things she loves about each of them finally convinced me to do it <3
This started as a short list of reasons why I love them but it ended up being way longer than I expected so I'll put it under the cut
Nace
This man has no business being so hot but yet so sweet and cute and cuddly. He looks like he gives the best hugs ever (hopefully I can confirm this one day)
He looks like the shy one out of the five of them, but also seems like the kind of person that would be there for you through thick and thin, always listening and understanding
He said he wanted to be a vet and I think that's so cute
He looks so good with glasses
His tattoos are so cool and I need to have a close up of all of them asap. I'm still not over the fact that the sleeve tattoo goes up to his shoulder (and also the fact that *he* designed it like, talk about talent!)
Last but not least (and which might be my fav thing about him), HIS LAUGH. I swear his laugh is one of my favourite things ever, I could listen/watch him laughing all day and never get tired
Jan
Have you seen this man? He's absolutely gorgeous and his hair is amazing
Ngl the pics of him with the red jacket and the joker out hotline video changed me as a person
He's such a sweetheart
He loves cats (Igor my beloved <3)
I do love a math nerd tbh and the way he talks about maths is so fascinating
The way he seems so at ease every time he's playing the guitar, like he's in another world or something
Jure
I love when he smiles and only half his lip sticks up (like some sort of smirk? idk if that's the right word) (I might be projecting a little in this one because it's actually something that I do too because I don't know how to smile with my teeth, so I just smile with my lips closed and it always turns in this sort of smirk and people telling me that I look "too serious", but seeing people complementing his smile makes me less insecure :) )
Edit because I forgot to write this: He's such a mood, I love him
He's just the cutest, most adorable little kitty I wanna pamper him with little kisses
Absolute sunshine boy, I literally smile every single time I see a photo of him
I want to stroke his hair so bad, it looks so soft
He's so energetic and funny and feels like the kind of person that always tries to put a smile on your face (and succeeds)
His love for airplanes is so dear to me
THE MOLE ON HIS LIP (I already posted about it here, it's just so cute 🥹)
Kris
He's just a pretty princess <3
He slays so hard in every pic
I love his hair, especially when it was longer
He's a lesbian icon I don't make the rules
I need more of Kris singing, please and thank you
That freaking b&w striped sweater owns my mind okay?
I love how proud and happy he is of being half dutch and the smile on his face every time someone tells him to say something in dutch is so precious
He seems like the kind of person that messes with his friends (mostly Bojan lol) all the time but will probably start planning your murder if you mess with them
Bojan
Multitalented king and language georg <3
His voice is absolutely amazing
His hair (I know I've said this in all of them but I love all of their hairs so much)
Whatever the whole demoni scream thing is
The way he expresses himself (both talking and singing)
He's so charismatic and friendly and it warms my heart that he always tries to make sure everyone feels included in the conversations
My poor boy deserves better and I wanna fight everyone who's ever done anything bad to him
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sparkles-oflight · 6 months
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I wasn't going to post this. I saw everyone jumping on the "let me tell you my emotional connection to joker out" train and I wasn't going to participate because.....well....my annoying ass already said everything there needs to be said through tags on random posts (I should really learn how to shut my mouth).
But now it's 4 am (thank you Rosa Linn, I can't say that seriously ever again), I'm having trouble sleeping since I'm not fully recovered from my cold, so, fuck it.
I'll go on a rant so... I'll add the little thing that "divides" the post so that is easier to skip
Ah....where to start...I could tell you how I started enjoying joker out but that's a wholeass post on itself...
So, I'm going to start with how I connect to each member.
Bojan, you were the one who "opened the doors" to me. Frontman doing his service. In Bojan I saw a lot about myself. I saw a guy who loves to make bad puns, who loves languages and brag about their multicultural knowledge. I saw a guy who can be awkward at times, who deal with anxiety problems... Who says they'll stay away from Social media and then proceeds to post the most unhinged things. I saw someone who likes to understand societies as well (please be my tutor, I really need to pass sociology this is year) and likes to fight stereotypes.
Kris told us Bojan's parents can be a bit more judgy and without going into a lot of details, I'll say I also understand that so much (I didn't want to bring sexuality into this, but even if Bojan turns out to be straight, I still relate to all the pressure is parents must put on him just because he goes against "the norm" in the Balkans).
Kris...my bitch.
(Jk jk, I love him a lot).
How do I start?
Kris and I honestly have a lot of common too. The whole "bullying for falling at being one gender" thing hits so close. I don't talk about my gender much but I currently identify as a enby/gender fluid. However, for most of my life I was terrified of failing as a girl.
I remember coming home and asking my mom why was I different from the other girls (NOT IN THE WAY YOU ARE THINKING, PLS, I'M QUITE LITERALLY JUST NOT A GIRL 😅) and she would reply stuff like "Of course you are like the others, you have a vagina like them" - this sounds so bad and it made me feel so much worse because it didn't provide me with an answer at all to the bullying I endured. I had short hair, liked "boyish" things and so I was called a boy (+I got transphobic comments too ✌🏽😙). I was never as close with the girls because of it and boys would also exclude me from being too close to them. I was in the middle and I had to change my personality countless times to fit my assigned gender.
Now that I'm in university, I finally figured myself out and it's so refreshing waking up to see myself with short hair again, with more "genderless" clothes, having no problems with my little "moustachio" and being able to appreciate what I see in the mirror... learning to love myself.
Kris as we know him identifies as a man. He, however, also learned how to break the gender stigma (AND THAT OUTFIT IS A FUCKING STATEMENT) and learned that having confidence in himself is all that matters. No matter how long your hair is, no matter how you dance or sing, no matter the color of your pants. Be yourself and be proud of you are is really what matters!
Jan....I actually don't have a lot to say (I think I wasted most my words with Kris), but just like Kris I also love how comfortable Jan feels in himself and how little he seems to care about what others think. I love his sense of humor and his style. I love his voice and how sometimes he can get a little embarrassed off-stage...I would just really love to have him as a best friend honestly. He probably zones out instead of listening, but oh well 😅
Naceeeeee, my teddy bear. I also don't have the energy to dive too deep in the topic, but as someone who also struggled with body image issues, I'm so proud whenever Nace feels comfortable on his own skin. It's refreshing.
But obviously I gotta mention that post. It's kinda funny to me that he wrote that when I'm currently writing a story for my script class about how it is to live with divorced parents and how the feeling of belonging is something we strive for.
It's something I definitely struggled with all my life and it's getting worse as time goes on. It's so refreshing to see another person go through and talk about it and seeing that they reached the happy ending I'm also looking for...
Jure le chatton. You know I don't usually talk much about you because we know nothing about your life. However, that interview where you said you asked your mom why you were problematic, hit me hard. For a lot of reasons I have mentioned before, but also because I'm considered problematic by both my parents. I don't want to get into many details... It's 4m after all.
There's one thing I was going to mention on Bojan's part, but I figured it would fit the whole band.
I really really am looking up to these guys. They are around my age and they have done so much already. I have been stuck in the past couple of years due to my depression - and realistically I never thought of actually turning 18, let alone 20 - and seeing how much they worked hard makes me want to work hard myself. I haven't been able to, but hopefully I will...
Also, everyday I have been waking up in a good mood knowing I have met some incredible people thanks to this fandom and the boys! Like, excuse people actually care about what I write, what???? 😅
It's been a great experience so far. Let's see what this will bring me in the future :)
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ohandcounting · 5 months
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Oblivion Theory / Pile of Snow Theory by WandyDoodles / @wandydoodles
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It's a good read! Go read it! It's way faster than 190 pages looks like because the font is big and plenty of pictures too. Almost like reading a comic book level of difficulty to focus, I like it a lot. My specific thoughts below the read more
I think this is potentially dead on for at least the symbolism that's going on, though it's still probable to me that there is also an "in-universe" angel. I'm also not sure if I agree with the assumption that the red soul we pilot is special beyond it being a human soul either? Like, there's no reason (YET) to believe that a different human couldn't also seal fountains just from their soul being able to float around in dark worlds like ours does. (like the Susie jail escape, Ferris wheel, literally every battle, etc.) Like, they could just be a magician like those dudes who did a big magic barrier in Deltarune.
On the ending thoughts: I was going to add that Sans' could be talking about Flowey, but...No. Flowey hasn't revealed himself to anyone except us in this timeline. How the hell would he know our type if not from something that happens in DR?! I never noticed it before! Flowey does explain other dialog, like "our reports showing timelines jumping around" and what not even if you did Geno first run/on a true reset. It's why I never thought about it before.
The proposal for The Vessel being The Knight seems very, hard to believe at first. I'm still not settled on it myself, but: The Vessel could be mistaken for Kris if they throw on a hood maybe? "There's that creepy Kris going to the library. We're used to our 1 human in town!" With a lot of characters showing a knowledge on what's going to happen (like Jevil) they might just know when to go do things already without raising suspicion. Only appearing when Kris wouldn't, and/or slipping by without people seeing. It's interesting to me that they never bothered addressing that tbh. I wonder if it's just something they couldn't explain well so rather than bringing it up, they're just hoping we explain it ourselves/wait for new chapter dialog to confirm this.
I am 100% sold on the knight not wanting to end the world though, I've been calling it the "Conspiracy Theory Theory" where the Bad Guy™ is not the Bad Guy™ but rather someone trying to make us Stronger so we can help fight The Really Bad Guy™ (like Kill La Kill kind of[the 10th anniversary was recent, so it's just the only example I can think of atm.]) It gets that ridiculous name because I believe MANY characters are in on it, including Kris themselves, Ralsei, The Red Soul, The Knight, Goner Maker Sequence Voices 1 & 2, Mystery Man, Geoff, Gaster, etc. Pretty much everyone who could be except Susie.
The save file analysis is wrong I feel? When Flowey takes over the save file, that is a veteran with literal near-godlike powers who knows how to manipulate saves. He hasn't had control for 9999:99 yet, despite what the timer shows. That info could be missing for Kris because we weren't there when it was made, what we use to see save file information shows what's missing because it literally doesn't know how long Kris has had that save nor where it was made. We get to see the name because we're in their body though. Like we see empty save files, and they're just empty. After a true reset? It's just empty, just like erasing a file in Deltarune. Kris having ANY information means something more than "just to establish you as a separate entity even harder than Undertale." Especially if the cut intro of Susie trying to wake us up is still hinting towards something like a timeloop being canon. (instead of being cut because it's not longer true)
Save file part 2 break in paragraph for easier reading: It might also be because Kris doesn't have the soul they made that save with anymore, if you're a Kris Is Toy Knife Kid Equivalent Truther like me.
It also falls for the trap of thinking what Chara says at the end of genocide is strictly a metanarrative statement, not something Chara believes will be possible. In a game where characters consistently say things that apply both in and out of universe, which I've never liked. Like Flowey after restarting the game after in TPE talking to both: 1.) us in the meta, but believes he is giving his parting words to 2.) Chara IN universe.
But like everything with depth, people are gonna make mistakes. Especially mistakes they don't think are mistakes and are much simpler answers without constant "catches" and clarifications. It's kind of like explaining King Crimson to people, where I'm the only person to do it right. (not a serious statement)
They also point to Mettaton's nebulous "Ratings" when mentioning the amount of monsters in the underground, instead of the echo flower where it's stated there's literally thousands of monsters??? This is something I see people do all the time?
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tramon81 · 1 year
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Berdly's Formula: Cyberworld.
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Sooooo guess who's in the mood to get another essay on Berdly?
Now I am of the belief that somehow dark worlds have some sort of link to the chapter's main new duo, for example, Kris seems to be linked to the first one but the world seems to revolve around giving Susie character growth. The King is a representation of that as well and Lancer playing bad guys with Susie. Kris provides the theme while Susie is the focus, you can also see how everyone refers to Susie as a monster who wrecks things up, it's clear that the "Focus Character" always becomes a known figure in the Dark World they reside in.
Now onto the duo at hand, Berdly and Noelle. And their Cyberworld. Focus Character: Noelle. Theme Character: Berdly.
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So let's break it down, Berdly is the Theme character not only because the world is so technological, but let's center around Queen for this post. for the lack of a better term, she's basically a reflection of Berdly while having elements potentially reflective of Mayor Holiday. Especially on how obsessed she is with "having Noelle help her with her plans" in fact she needs Noelle for it because, in Queen's eyes, Noelle is "strong".
Remember Berdly feels as if he needs Noelle's help in order to be considered a smart guy because Noelle is "smarter" than him. Berdly confessed so, that "She's... the real smart kid." it is my belief that there's a bit of idolization in that sentence as well as an inferiority complex.
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They both think Noelle is strong and they need that strength to attain their perfect world.
Also, both Berdly and Queen can't detect what Noelle thinks of them Queen thinks that this new world she has planned will make Noelle happy, and after learning that it won't she admits "... Noelle... Perhaps My Computations Were Miscalibrated"
Berdly's case is different, Queen is assuming how to help Noelle while Berdly, in infamous timing, misunderstands why Noelle helps him in perhaps the most comical of his interactions with Noelle there is something very lonely about them "I know you only always helped me out because well... You had a crush on me, so..." Noelle to Berdly is the exception to the norm, the only reason people would even remember his name is because he was smart, but Noelle did so before he even became that smart kid and the only way he could explain it is the irrational, love at first sight. He doesn't understand that people just help one another (at least not until the teamwork mech) especially if they're friends.
They both thought they had a perfect formula in which people functioned, queen calculated the happiness of every Lightner, and Berdly the formula for everyone to remember his name, they were both wrong in the mere act of calculating a surefire way to those ideals.
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The Calculations to a perfect World where everyone enjoys your presence and there is happiness to be found everywhere are by nature a catastrophic oversimplification.
Furthermore, there's a note to be had in that while Queen is a foil to Noelle, Berdly is, in turn, a foil to Queen. Noelle runs away from Queen runs away from "Burghley". I feel this is a reflection of how Berdly perceives how the world sees his true self. Unwanted unless proved useful. You can see how much Berdly is fighting over Queen's affection the "Gamers delight" and especially the statue, Berdly is trying to use his formula by demonstrating "I am smart my IQ is high and you can depend on me" to Queen as well as including her in the same definition.
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Berdly's formula is not one that works and he is none the wiser.
Well, that's all for now, next chapter of the Berdly analysis we'll take a look at the Cyberworld's puzzles, the Positive Character arc of Berdly, and its resolution. Stay tuned to the Berdly tag gamers. "May the smarts be with you."
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anxious-witch · 6 months
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sorry I don't have enough imagination to come up with a prompt or something, but I'd love to see something with poly!JO :3 (maybe the guys taking care of Nace somehow idk)
Anon, sorry for the wait, this turned out much longer than I initially planned, but here it is. I hope you like it!
TW for vomitting and general sickness descriptions
Nace woke up with a blinding headache, which was never a good way to wake up. Even when all his boyfriends were still there to cuddle him. So he snoozed his alarm and decided he could skip his morning workout this once. It was unlikely he's be very productive with a headache anyway.
Bojan mumbled something in his dream and snuggled closer. Nace smiled and drifted off again.
Second time he woke up, it was by Kris' gently shaking.
"Nacko, wake up. You slept in, we gotta-"
But didn't hear the rest of his sentence, because he was hit by a sudden wave of nausea. He jumped out of the bed and ran towards the bathroom, leaving a bewildered Kris behind. 
He made it to the bathroom just in time to throw up in the toilet. It was disgusting and his head was spinning so bad, it was a miracle he managed to run to here in the first place.
"Fuck," he heard Kris curse from the doorway, "I'll go wake the others."
Nace tried to shake his head. It had to still be early if only Kris was awake. He could handle it.
"Let them sleep." he said, immediately winching at how hoarse his voice sounded.
"Don't be ridiculous. You are sick. They'd all want to help."
Kris left before Nace could protest again. Which was probably for the best, considering the fact that he managed to throw up again. He knew how easily Kris got grossed out over these things.
So he waited, willing for his stomach to calm down and stop cramping so bad. Or for his head to stop spinning.
He must have nodded off again, because he jolted when a cold hand gently touched his forehead.
"Shhh, it's just me Nacko. Relax."
Jan's voice was deeper than usual, likely due to him just waking up. But he wasn't usually cold. If anything among the five of them, it was Jan and Jure who always ran hot.
"You are burning up, love."
"Great."
Jan chuckled at his deadpan tone. He grabbed his phone and quickly typed something out.
"Alright, Bojan will go run to the pharmacy to get you something for the temperature. Let's get you cleaned up a bit, yeah? And put some more clothes on you. You are shivering."
Nace was too tired to protest. He doubted he could stand for long enough on his own to do it himself. And God knew Jan was too stubborn to fight, especially when he was worried as he was now.
So Nace let him help him brush his teeth and put on a shirt and sweatpants. It immediately made him feel a bit more human.
"Where are Kris and Jure?"
"Making breakfast, I believe. Kris is also googling which tea is best for a stomach bug. But I digress."
Nace tried not to laugh.
"So you just wanted to give Bojan a reason to not be in the kitchen with them?"
Jan shrugged, unapologetic.
"I prefer him not burning down the apartment while trying to help. Or Kris strangling him before he could. One crisis at the time."
This time, Nace did laugh. He leaned on the sink to not fall down as he doubled over while laughing.
"We both know Bojan wouldn't mind other option."
Then they were both laughing and for a moment Nace felt completely fine. And the the world started spinning again, and his legs became very unstable.
"Shit, shit, shit. Kris!"
Jan's arms were wrapped around him and he gently lowered him to the floor, instead of Nace plummeting as he would if he were alone.
"Can't I fucking leave for five minutes?!"
Then there wasn't one, but two pair of arms pulling him up. Black spots slowly stopped dancing in his vision and he looked up to a very worried faces of his boyfriends.
"This is karma for making fun of Bojan's choking kink, isn't it?"
Jan chuckled and Kris rolled his eyes. Still. Nace could see their relief.
"How about we get you back to bed? Which was the plan, that Jan seems to have forgotten," Kris said, shooting Jan a glare.
"He started making fun of Bojan. Would you have interrupted him?"
Kris pursed his lips and wordlessly offered for Nace to lean on him on his right side, while Jan took his left. Nace felt a bit ridiculous.
"I can probably make it to bed on my own, you know?"
"Right. Let's not risk that, yeah? Kris will kill me if you crack your head on the floor."
"He is absolutely right on that one."
Nace sighed, but leaned on them. They slowly made their way back to the bedroom and helped him climb on the bed. Kris retrieved a bucket, in case Nace got sick again before saying he'd go check on Jure's progress with breakfast.
Nace didn't have the heart to tell him that eating was probably the last thing he wanted to do right now. Jan snuggled next to him when Kris left.
The front doors opened with a loud bang that rattled Nace to the bone.
"I got socially acceptable drugs!" Bojan yelled from the hallway.
Jan sighed. Nace chuckled. There went a bit of peace they had. Bojan came strolling in the bedroom with a bag with...whatever pills he bought. Nace didn't really care as long as it would make him feel better.
Bojan dropped the bag on the bedside drawer and leaned over the bed to check Nace's forehead. He immediately winced in sympathy.
"Let me get you some water to take that pill."
He practically ran to get it, coming back in record time. He held out a pill and a glass of water for Nace to drink from and kissed his cheek when he did.
"Don't do that. You'll get sick too," Nace mumbled, trying not to blush.
"And Jan won't by cuddling you?"
Nace blinked. Right, That was true.
"You are right. Jan, you shouldn't be this close, either."
Jan only grumbled and snuggled closer. Nace had a feeling he was already half asleep again. It was way too early to be awake by his standards. He didn't think of a different solution before Kris and Jure arrived with breakfast and tea.
"Jure made some toast and hard boiled eggs. It says it's least likely to make you sick. And some mint tea, to take your medicine with."
Then Kris took in Bojan holding the packaging and glass of water. His eyes narrowed.
"Tell me you didn't just give him medicine on an empty stomach."
Bojan looked at him sheepishly.
"Um. May have. Done that."
Kris opened his mouth to retort, but Jure pushed past him. He put the plate on the bedside drawer before leaning in to kiss Nace's forehead.
"How are you Nace?"
Nace smiled, his gaze taking all four of them in. All awake-more or less-and helping in any way they could to make him feel better.
"I am better now."
Despite all their bickering and the fact that he was sick, he knew they'd take care of him. And really, how could he be anything but better in those circumstances?
"Much better when you are all here, now."
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miserable-homo-momo · 5 months
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𝐌𝐊 𝐎𝐂 𝐈𝐍𝐓𝐑𝐎𝐒 : 𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚
Note : bad grammar cause english isn't my mother language and my au.
@theelderhazelnut @licoricelump @dangerouspostphantom @miss-seanymph-pani @roygiri
⤷ 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐫 | SCORPION, Jade, Sonya, Jax, Fujin, Rain, . (𝟏/𝟐)
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𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Ain't this is quite awakard to make allies with Outworld
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : This battle will prove your worth and honor.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Yea, I hope so.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : I swear, I'm not like Rea.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : Empty words can not be a enough.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Then this should do.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : I want to apologies for my sister's troubles.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : Why you the one apologizing?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : I'm who the one ruined her, Jade.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : What power does your 'saka' give?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : He only protects, Jade.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : It would protect you no longer.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : I heard you were a laywer.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : And I heard you were an assassin.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : I was during under Shao Khan.
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : I'm surprised with your powers, but you lack of honor.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : How so?
𝐉𝐚𝐝𝐞 : This battle will make you understand.
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𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Stay away from Rea, Hanzo.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : And let that her causing chaos?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : I will be the only one to end her chaos.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Why are we fighting again?
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : To complete your incompetence.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : God, this shit again?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : I can't tell either you are the Hanzo from my timeline or sum intruder.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : Call me by my deadname again and you feel the fire of hellspawn.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Yup. That should do it.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : How you face in kombat.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Gotta say this shit is my first time.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : Then you have so much to learn.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : Your family?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Something I want to forget with my new life.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : The grief is unbearable isn't it?
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : You are also immute to fire?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : It took around 40 secs to heal.
𝐒𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐏𝐈𝐎𝐍 : Then you should be perish easily.
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𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : So. What's your deal with me, Liutenant?
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : You fucked up and come back like nothing happened.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : It's only for the best.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Sargent, I have to ask your permission for the last time.
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : Spit it out, Ren.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Permission to beat Cage ass please?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Your husband keep banging on me to make a documentary film about my family.
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : What that's has to do with me?
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : My story isn't for sale, honey.
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : You know what, I change my mind.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : And that is?
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : You can beat Johnny's ass if he ask about to film you a movie.
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : Kris could have choose better.
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : Are you better, general?
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : I can beat you in anytime.
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : If weren't for raiden, I could-
𝐑𝐞𝐧𝐚 : The past is past, Liutenant.
𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐚 : You got almost all of us killed!
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Every time there’s a new Deltarune chapter there’s a new wave of ‘next chapter we’ll be controlling someone other than Kris!’ or ‘we’ll fight Kris in the Vessel as the final boss!’ theories, but. 
It’s been noticed that Kris doesn’t look very... well... when the Soul is outside their body. Their movements are noticeably strained and jerky. And they always seem to make a point of putting the Soul back into their body when they’re done doing whatever they’re doing. Even if we’ve done things they seem to clearly dislike, such as Snowgrave. It’s also been pointed out that, despite seeming shaken and horrified by Snowgrave, Kris makes no attempt to seriously resist us or remove the soul. 
I’ve considered this before. Wondered if Kris is only capable of removing the Soul at night for some reason, and physically cannot do so during the day or in the Dark Worlds. Or if they believe their friends like the Soul more than they like Kris themself, and feel permanently removing or resisting the Soul would result in their life becoming worse. I think think those options are plausible and worth keeping in mind for future chapters. But I’m also wondering just... does Kris need the soul to stay alive? 
(rest of theory under cut, addresses themes of suicide and self-harm)
If any character was going to be revealed to have been killed in the past as a plot twist, I feel that Kris is actually the most likely contender, far more than Asriel or Dess. (Suffice to say, evidence points towards Dess being missing, there’d be WAY more gossip and drama if golden child Asriel were dead all along, and the Birdcage and Bunker indicate that Kris may have been missing their soul for a very long time. Furthermore, Susie calling Kris a zombie could be some subtle foreshadowing for later on. Not that I think Susie knows, but still.) 
So, if Kris is already dead, and they do decide for some reason to fight us to get us to stop possessing them once and for all... that’d be a race against time, right? If they are dead, if the reason they keep putting the Soul back in their body and don’t seriously rebel even in Snowgrave is because their soul is necessary to stay alive... Kris fighting us like that and winning, or Kris running off without us while we possess Susie or a Darkner or whatever, isn’t a matter of ‘Kris skips off merrily to do their own thing, for good or for ill’. It’s a matter of Kris is slowly dying and is completely fine with this. 
Suffice to say. If we were forced to possess someone else and try to ‘confront’ Kris. Rather than it being them bravely defying the big bad player or use trying to stop the eeeeevil Roaring Knight, I’m concerned that it would be because Kris has come to terms with neither them nor us remaining in the world any longer. 
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carlyraejepsans · 2 years
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I REALLY REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE KRIS HAS THE AUTONOMY AND DEGREE OF BAD DECISIONS TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT... I WANT THEM TO HAVE SUMMONED US HERE!
I mean, it would be a direct parallel with chara killing themself to give asriel their soul!
because on a more serious note, i hate the theories that we came out of nowhere and stole kris' body "just because". and that they have no idea where we came from and we're actively stealing their autonomy by simply playing the game. because... ow? it's so unnecessarily cruel to the player. deltarune is a game, our only way of interacting with it IS playing it. and you know most players don't have bad intentions when they do: they play the main intended run, they WANT to make friends with the other characters, and they grow to care about kris, a whole lot actually!
"you're selfishly stealing kris' life from them every time you play the game"... idk it just feels like needless player bashing. especially given that it's a baseless assumption, when the game explicitly tells us that "if you abandon the game, the prophecy isn't fulfilled and everything is covered in darkness". it's why I'm so against the theories that the final boss will be us lol. I'm not fighting these kids.
so yeah, i feel like kris definitely has a plan we don't know of (yet!), them giving up their body/SOUL to us for the greater good would give them some autonomy in the game's story and them regretting it when things don't go as planned (ie their seeing themself in spamton) also work as a parallel to what happened in undertale.
but either way, I can't wait to see how the story continues!
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has anyone ever thought about how actually terrifying berdly's situation is?
like, he's plunged into a new world with no idea what the fuck is happening, he thinks this is all a dream, and suddenly here comes this woman who shows him a shred of respect and decency, and he attached to her like glue because god knows he hasn't received it before. then she turns around and insults him, humiliates him, and even goes so far as to blatantly ignore him. but he still feels attached to her because hey, she's technically keeping him and noelle safe (even if she does favor noelle, but that's nothing new to him). so he continues to 'do her bidding' even though he knows it's just a ploy to get him out of her wires.
he finds kris, and there's a shred of hope. but he tries to play up the part of 'the queen's knight' and acts like he doesn't like kris. but they become trucies anyways. great. cool. whatever.
ALSO! queen literally ignored him getting blasted out of his roller coaster! he could have been seriously hurt!
then we get to queen's mansion, and suddenly he's in a shock cage with noelle being clearly forced to return to queen. he's scared to say anything because he's literally in a cage, but he can tell this isn't what noelle wants.
cut to the fight with queen. do you know how terrifying it would be to have that thing on your face? it's essentially invading berdly's mind and making him actually do queen's bidding, and that includes hurting his friends. in the bad/neutral ending he manages to rip it off at the expense of his wing, which now as far he knows could be useless forever. in the good ending, his friends get the thing off and he's dandy. except he's not.
don't even get me started on the snowgrave route. he died thinking all of this was a dream, or realised it wasn't before/during the fight with kris and noelle. either way, he died knowing he would never see the Lightworld again.
just really horrifying stuff when you really think about it. and i have been STEWING on this
I didn’t even consider the whole ‘queen’s probably the first person to show berdly a shred of respect in a while’ aspect…… damn
combined with the shenanigans in cyber city and the queen battle, berdly just. never really gets a break huh.
I think about the pre-berdly battle snowgrave dialouge a lot. berdly sees that kris is hurting his friend (it’s actually us doing the hurting but shhhh don’t worry about that rn) and just. immediatly drops the whole iq and queen’s loyal knight shtick. you’re doing something to his friend and he’s gonna stop you one way or another. shame that he
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-Papyrus has this sprite right before he starts lamenting about how he 'failed' to capture you. This is definitely not a bug
-He starts saying things that makes you feel bad for him
-This is the only time where he admits of his lack of friends
-No matter what you say, Papyrus becomes your friend either way
-When you make Frisk say 'what a loser', Papyrus thinks Frisk is talking about themself, and that they might think they are not good enough to be his friend, to which he responds by assuring them they are great and he will be their friend
-You might assume that's Papyrus misinterpreting the insult, or absolutely getting it but instead of it upsetting him he uses it to become friends with you instead. But it is also likely Frisk wants to be friends with Papyrus and they changed the tone and way they said the sentence, just like how Kris does in Deltarune, there are other times where this happens with Frisk so it's likely this time as well
-Papyrus is happy that Frisk is his new friend and from now on refuses the whole thing about capturing them
-All you need to make friends is give people awful puzzles and then fight them
-It's kind of sad that he calls his puzzles 'awful'
-He let's you through and starts giving you directions to get to the surface
-Papyrus is totally aware of the barrier, he is aware that only powerful souls can exit the underground, he knows Asgore wants to open the barrier with the souls of humans....but it is still strange that he hasn't mentioned what happens after a human gets captured. He knows Undyne WOULD kill a human, but I'm not sure he is aware that the human needs to die in order to use the power. And again, not because he is naive, Papyrus might not be aware of all the lore of this world when he comes from another one
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-'Seal' is... a common verb, obviously, and maybe other characters in the game use it. But I do immediately relate it with 'sealing fountains' in the context of this videogame. Probably just a coincidence, but there is a huge resemblance with the barrier and fountains, so who knows... The fact that Papyrus of all characters say this is also... curious
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-A lot of yellow text
-Papyrus thinks of Asgore as a 'big fuzzy pushover'
-Papyrus decides to go home and be a cool friend after this
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officialralsei · 9 months
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No I suppose Kris isn't, as your Dear Aunt Tenna would put it, a "Horror(s)" (in my case, being a faceless and anonymous one at that). Which regardless of where we stand morally, what we say, our mere existence and what were capable of terrifies you & her. Understandably so. Yet similarly to Kris, you don't know me so do not speak, assume or judge me as if you do as all I have done is ask questions and have done so out of my own curiosity and to see your reaction as expected from us Horrors, barely indicative of determining if I'm a bad person or not. Twisted? Yeah. Bad? Not conclusive.
Speaking of things not being conclusive. You thinking Kris is a good person. Now I don't know if their good or bad but I'm not assuming unlike you, similarly to me you don't even know them and have only been observing them from afar, we Horrors puppet almost all their major actions during DR's events and the few times we don't they create a fountain which inadvertently leads to your Aunt Tenna's/her people's end and now you and Susie (who they also betray) will be wasting your time in a world they created when you a have a bigger fish to fry. Susie may not have been perfect, in fact she was mean as shit yet she will teach you how to think for yourself in battle and not follow every command and what it means to actually have "friends" and push you a little closer on what it means to be Ralsei. Kris will teach you nothing, tell you nothing and you will get pain in return. "Friends" don't hurt each other like this and a "good" friend would make sure to hold their other friend accountable and not just let things be.
These are just the facts regardless of their reasoning. Yet you still view them as a friend despite everything. You are either incredibly naive or deluded but we have 2 of the 7 chapters of this story so we will see if your faith in them will hold true and you two can be "genuine" friends. I leave you with this, you may think of Kris as a friend but do you know if Kris feels the same. Do you think Kris views you as a friend? Remember, it takes two to tango. Farewell Prince of the Dark.
"Teaching me how to think for myself..." do you think that's what makes a good friend to me...? Hmm...
It's a bit of a problem with everyone who lives in a higher reality, haha. You think that you're being "kind" when you try to teach others to fight fate. Susie, Kris... they're not too different from each other. They mean well. They don't know how awfully fate can hurt those who fight against it.
Kris can unplug the TV all they want. They can throw out their possessions, make a Dark Fountain, even fight against you. They can be as unthinking and reckless and stupid as they want. They can-
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Betrayal... that doesn't mean anything to me. I'll lie to them, too. There are secrets they won't ever know about me. And we'll be friends anyway, because that's what we're fated to be. Even if you don't understand it. Our friendship will be stronger than any of that.
I was born to love them. So I... I want to believe in them. Susie too. I want to be the best friend I can be to both of them. It shouldn't matter to me what they take away from me. I was never meant to hold on to any of it, anyway.
...I shouldn't truly care if you're a bad person, either. Haha. Sorry about that.
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Rambling timeeeee part two but like it’s the twisted vine route I was talking about
I made it pretty similar to the snowgrave and salt route ngl but to be fair it’s easy to do so when your soul colour is green and in my case I let people push me around a bit
It starts off as normal just the addition of swirly and ghost
In this swirly is mage and mainly only has plant magic
She gets taken in by queen and works with Noelle to escape but makes sure berdly doesn’t get to hurt after all she cares for him a bit even if he’s annoying
And like normal In the alley way you meet Noelle queen and berdly but you also meet swirly
as Noelle joins Kris so does swirly but this time there’s an option to split up again to look for the fun gang
You could send swirly off to look by herself there making the twisted vine route over and you don’t get the ending and get the same ending as normal just with swirly and ghost added
Or
You could send Noelle away and go and continue on the twisted vine route
And so after you send Noelle away swirly follows Kris but starts asking questions about why
“I don’t know you that well why did you choose me over Noelle? Arent you guys like… friends?”
Their you can say after each question one of two answers
*you are my friend too* or
*who said we weren’t friends?*
The second one is the right option for the twisted vine route
Another thing is in battles you will need to have low hp and not have her heal you and make sure she fights on each turn
After the third fight of her not healing you and you making sure you have low hp she’ll start to refuse to use her weapon to fight and insist on healing you instead or letting herself fight instead so you don’t get more hurt and once you accept the second option (the first one will stop the route) and make sure she uses the attack strangling vine
Much like the snow grave the enemies will be left behind but not frozen but rather tied up in thorn covered vines
The are alive unlike the snow grave or some are anyways
Some died do to the thorns
And so swirly starts feeling bad (she doesn’t know she killed some of them)
And so you have two opinions when she tells you she feels bad about it
*it’s ok you were just keeping me safe, you just wanted to keep your friends safe*
Or
*it’s good that you were able to protect me in the way you did, even if it meant dusting them, you were just protecting me, keeping me safe*
It doesn’t matter which one you choose but if you are going down this path you’d pick the second one anyways wouldn’t you?
With the second one she realizes that she killed some of them but she would have found out later down the line even if you didn’t tell her then
Anyways
But as you continue you can see her vine that is wrapped around her arm grow thorns and grow in general
And she makes sure to not use the strangling vine attack for a battle or two
Like in snow grave you must fight each enemy but you must tell her to use the strangling vine attack more than once after the one of two battles of not using it
You must insist on it a couple times but in the end she will
After that battle where you insist on it she asked you why and again you get to choose
*I know you want to keep me safe and your friends safe and that’s the only way*
*don’t you want to keep your friends safe?*
Choose the second one
“Of course but isn’t there better ways..? I have other magic we can use and I’ll even go back to using my scythe-“
*don’t you want to keep your friends safe*
“I do but again it just feel wrong”
*don’t you want to keep me safe?*
“…”
*don’t you?*
“Yeah… I mean I do”
*this is the only true way to keep your loved ones safe*
“I don’t think that’s true”
*
“…”
*dont you want to keep your friends safe?*
And keep fighting each enemy you see until you get to the puzzle
Unlike Noelle you don’t say proceed just complete them and Kris and swirly have a nice moment as they go through the rat puzzle
And unlike the snow grave route before the fight with berdly there’s an option 
Go back and make sure addisons (including spamton) get killed or move on without it
If you don’t go to kill the addisons when you are meant to fight berdly you’ll see ghost standing with him talking about finding you and finding Noelle and when ghost see swirly he runs and hugs her tight but pulls away when he feels something digging into his skin and sees the vines and sees the blood that was dripping after all as the vine grew the thorns grew too just happens to be that her skin was in the way
“Swirly what happened?”
And you have a option on what to say
Nothing or talk for swirly
In the end it doesn’t matter because ghost cuts you off to yell at you
And berdly runs to swirly and tries to rip off the vine that has dug into her skin
And you have an option again
*tell them the truth*
*tell them how swirly killed monsters because you said it was the only way to protect yourself and her*
In both cases berdly and ghost are both more concerned and but funnily enough
You start laughing but you skip the whole fight with berdly
And you just skip to fight the big robot queen and leaving the dark world
And for the second ending where you go kill the Addisons
She says no to using it on the first Addison at first and looking at the player in fear
*dont you want to protect me?*
“Of course I want to protect you but I have healing magic or-“
*don’t you want to keep your friends safe?”
“I do but-“
*don’t you want to keep your friends safe?*
“What do you mean by that Kris..? You won’t hurt-“
*dont you want to keep your friends safe*
And she kills them and as both of you get to spamton he is hiding in his shop and as you fight him
She looks at you and nods
But after killing spamton she falls to the ground grabbing her arm in pain and her arm will be fully covered in the vine
when you fight berdly he asks what happened and how cool it looks as a weapon and she doesn’t say a thing but this time around in the end the queen is confused and looks at the city
“Huh I swear this place didn’t have plants”
And swirly doesn’t talk the whole rest of the play through and uses her vine to protect her friends if they are attacked she blocks it and takes the damage herself
And when she gets make to the light world with the arm her has scars of deep scratches thanks to the thorns
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Considering how there used to be so many stories about Frisk going to ridiculous lengths to 'save' or 'revive' Asriel, I'm amused by IF!Frisk going 'why???' about making him their sibling/best friend in other worlds. I continue to remain delighted and refreshed by IF!Frisk's personality.
Aw, thanks! Like, I hope people don't think I have a personal vendetta against Asriel for approaching it this way, but I just don't think IF Frisk is obligated to be friends with someone who built them up only to backstab them and then tear them down both physically and verbally, right down to preying on their guilt and trauma with Lilac. Even if Frisk does end up understanding Asriel's story later, understanding motive and how someone has hurt is definitely not the same as being okay with them in the present. IF Frisk definitely isn't the kinda Frisk who'd jump through hoops to save Asriel in the traditional fanwork sense of "gotta make him stay a monster." But I also just sorta feel like... his problems are not in the body, anyway. Asriel/Flowey's issues are on an emotional and psychological level, and a part of me thinks that a reason he struggled so much is that the Dreemurr parents are not good at handling neurodivergent or traumatized children.
Toriel and Asgore love their kids in both UT and DR, and yet Deltarune shows that Toriel... doesn't do anything to confront Kris' problems. Their weird habits in the bathroom just "happen sometimes." Asgore can't even recall whether or not Kris likes big hugs, and neither of them caught onto Chara's hate for humanity and considered that they might do something as huge as the buttercup plan.
And I don't think this makes them bad parents so much as... they're too used to the idea that love is enough to make a child happy. That if they are loving and provide for children, then that is enough. So for Asriel to come back as a flower, they probably thought they could make him feel better with lots and lots of love and attention, when the problems were much deeper than that.
I think it also shows with how Toriel treated Frisk in UT- being so coddling, hiding the truth from them, trying to keep them happy by giving them a room and pies and promising to nurture them and putting her ideas of what would make a child before their actual wants and needs (which is a big part of why Frisk didn't like her in the old timeline).
I do wanna reiterate that I'm not trying to punch down on fanworks that do go for more idealized friendships between Frisk and Asriel, have them as siblings, or go for the happiest "save goatbro" approach, even if that's really not my cup of tea. I do get it. It's a lot of comfort and wish fulfillment- wanting this character who suffered so much to live a happy, normal life and being so touched by his fight and his character and little things like the hug and how he describes Frisk as the kinda friend he wished he had.
And I get that, but I also feel like it's important to look at the circumstances within a given fanwork. And in IF, the damage Flowey has done in just Part 61 hit Frisk so, SO hard. It's not something they'll be able to shake off that easily, and we still have a whole final arc to go through. It's a whole different beast than a relatively short final battle.
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For the dark world design things, I like the sprite where they all become kids but like, did this take place earlier or they all just be like Chara and tranform into their younger self?
Because both didn't really make sense since if it's the first, the story would ended earlier and you have to redraw the arc after to make them younger which probably isn't good for uhh, time probably, or Chara thought after this adventure like, few years later after it ended which isn't realistic, if it's the latter then that mean all of them want to be younger... which probabpy isn't that unrealistic but it would make Chara's situation not unique or special to their situation or whatever, or it mean the dark world work different... which is possible actually but why would G man make a world that make everyone that get in it become superpowered children, what if younger kid or adult get in?
Or maybe they all got in before as a kid and this is the sprite for that, or you just make the younger design as a joke or because you want and I overthink it
Or it's secret and you are not gonna tell me which is ok I just like being a conspiracy theorist lol
NAH you're fine lmao sorry i should of clarified this. i'm still unsure about it.
my logic was chara made the darkworld so it's influenced by their desire -but you're right, the outfits themselves seem separate from that. it's more customized to the individual, same as how Ralsei's castle and Queen's mansions become personalized. The world itself is influenced by Noelle (I assume she accidently made it? but also Kris could of been the one to do so... the world fits Noelle more) And becoming a kid is A Thing with Noelle for like, 1 second, so this isn't even out of the realm of possiblities.
And ALSO yeah, this world is (probably) made from a gaster fragment or at least houses one, it's separate from Deltarune the game and it's canon. I'm not even sure this IS a darkworld or if it's a simulation of one. (maybe the CORE secretly powers a pocket universe that Gaster made? that Chara accidently connects to and drags the gang into)
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Actually i was about to do a write up of pros/cons but i realized making them all kids is a bad idea. it just doesn't work.
cause like, I wanted them all to be kids to keep it consistent between them, but you're right it makes it less special/shocking when chara is Baby. (thinking this time around, we follow Frisk first and then meet with Chara.) anyway i wanted this because the main conflict is that Chara is wanting to force everyone to relive the past, so making Frisk a Baby and relieve their memories isn't a happy thing like it is to Chara.
BUT that happens when Chara True Resets anyway! I feel that'd lose a LOT of significance because we get used to Frisk being a teenager by the time we get to that story point. Also like, the reverse makes a fun effect of "oh YEAH Chara is a teenager! I got used to baby chara again!"
so yeah. i can't justify it and it lessens plot/thematic elements. Plus, its too repetive, even if I think it'd make it more clear what Frisk's problem with reliving the past is like
actually, I can do that with the reset thign too. Cause Frisk HATED being attacked by monsters and Chara's kinda forgotten about that since. So I'm gonna show them fight a lil before they confront Flowey.
Frisk's bard aspect (which like, is based on how I introduced teenage frisk with Vocaloid, this outfit is loosely inspired by that)
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Anyway I need to establish more of their story BUT I think the designs should reflect them more (like you pointed out!) like, originally, Frisk was going to have this side plot over befriending Suzy (their universe version of Susie) that was, sadly, dropped because Susie was stuck with Kris and it made more sense for Chara to stay away from Frisk after the DW adventure (cause Chara broke their promise)
BUT now i have the chance to actually explore that! So now, Frisk takes the adventure with MK to be a fun game and a chance to befriend Suzy. I really want Frisk's adventure to be separate from Chara's journey, because Frisk being mopey was Defs over done in the OG, and it makes it more impactful when Frisk gets upset if they're more happy the rest of the time.
Frisk still hates fighting (god. i'm gonna have to design a bunch of enemies...) but since they're not alone (and being haunted by chara), they don't mind it nearly as much. the Vibes of Deltarune (where most enemies just want to capture you) vs. UT (where most enemies are trying to kill you) are so drastically different. Frisk would be SO happy about this change.
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