saw someone say 'nazionist' today.

you know you can criticize the israeli government without bringing nazis into it, right?

'but dont jews deserve a state?' no lol i dont actually i dont think anyone 'deserves' an ethnostate/theocracy. there is no ethical way to form a nation who's membership is based entirely in arbitrary things like race or ethnicity or religion. you have to be smoking dick to think that excluding people from living somewhere in this manner(especially somewhere they're fucking from and have lived for generations) is in any way okay.

now, actually, let me ask why do you hate jews so much you want us all to pack up and go somewhere else, hm? what about that? why do you hate jews so much you're willing to look away from the massecre of palestinian jews in the name of zionism and the american death cult? why do you hate jews so much that you *support* zionism?

is it because you're too lazy and selfish to want to work towards making the whole world a safe place for jews instead of shoving us onto SOMEONE ELSE'S STOLEN LAND and forgetting about us? is it because you don't actually have morals and just pretend to for clout online? is it because you're too attached to the benefits of white supremacism and antisemitism that you don't want to give them up? is it because you were born without a brain in your head?

do some introspection and if you come back with any conclusion except for "ethnostates are bad, actually." you need to kill yourself right away. b'h all zionist idiots pass away in the night<3

Please know that I mean no disrespect with the question I'm about to ask, but

Why is it such a problem for Jews to wear christmas sweaters?

I'm not trying to justify drawing the Devoraks in them, and I am definitely not coming at you for saying anything. I am just genuinely, as someone uneducated on the topic of religion, trying to understand why it's such a sensitive thing.

I did read very briefly something that mentioned christmas being a catholic holiday, but that's about as much detail as that went into, so I'm still not really seeing anything too bad in this. I mean, many people celebrate christmas and the winter period for non religious reasons, and they still participate in different stereotypical activities such as wearing jumpers or eating fancy dinner together.

Also, I think more people would stop drawing the Devoraks in christmas sweaters if they understood too. In Aisha's case, there was a lot more explanation to the religious aspect of the hijab within the fandom, so I think there was a wider understanding which fuelled more outrage towards the devs. So perhaps, if you explained a little about what Hanukkah celebrates and why it is a problem for Jews to be wearing sweaters, I think you'd see less of it.

Another thing- people with adhd and/or autism often need some sort of explanation that makes sense for them to do something. Taking myself as an example, I see that you're saying it is anti-Semitic to draw Jews in christmas sweaters, but I don't understand why, so in my head it still seems moderately okay, because so long as they're not wearing them for religious reasons, it's not interfering with religion, right? I know I'm probably wrong, but that's just how my brain works and until I'm given a concrete, digestible reason, I can't actively change my mind because I need it to make sense.

I'm very sorry for asking you to explain things like this. Again, I would like to reiterate that I say all of this with no intention of belittling the Jewish faith or showing you any disrespect. I just want to get a better understanding. :)

okay so the first thing you need to understand here is that the reason people celebrate christmas for non-religious reasons is that our culture and society are overwhelmingly biased toward christianity. Holidays like Easter and Christmas are treated like default holidays and school/work vacations are given for Christmas specifically and never Jewish/etc. holidays because society at large (in certain countries) prioritizes Christianity in all facets. Nobody would see a character celebrating Hannukah and say "they might not be doing it for religious reasons."

Second, people have been trying to explain for years now why it's not okay to portray the Devoraks as celebrating christmas but people won't listen. Antisemitism in this fandom is a huge and ongoing issue wherein most of the fandom won't even acknowledge that they're jewish in the first place. By drawing Julian (lets get real these people never draw Portia) in christmas sweaters, the immediate impression that people will get is that he's christian or christian adjacent. Barring special circumstances someone who was raised as a practicing jew isn't going to celebrate christmas. Best case scenario it's just another day, worst case scenario it's an actively hostile presence in their life.

Lastly, with all due respect i think a jew saying you shouldn't do something to or with a jewish character should be a concrete enough reason for you to change your mind. You clearly aren't Jewish and I think I gave plenty of reasons in my original post as to why you shouldn't do it. It's erasure. It erases their Judaism because the immediate assumption when you see someone celebrating christmas is that they're a non-jew. You could come up with any number of technicalities-- I myself am a jew from an interfaith non-devout family and I celebrate christmas-- but given this fandom's history of antisemitism and Jewish erasure I don't trust them not to do so in bad faith.

To sum it up, this is a one way street. None of these people would ever portray non-jews celebrating Hannukah or Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah or Passover. They are spoiled for choice in regards to all the non jewish characters they could draw in christmas sweaters and they can leave the like two jewish ones in existence the fuck alone.