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userbabies · 1 month

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This user is pro endo. Please follow your own dni.

#pro endo #pro endogenic #anti endo dni #pro endo userboxes #endo safe #endogenic #endo friendly #endo positivity #endo system #actually endogenic #endogenic friendly #endogenic positivity #endogenic plurality #endogenic system #endogenic safe #userboxes #userbox #system userbox #system userboxes

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interstellarsystem · 29 days

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Endogenic Systems and Experiences in the Neurodivergent Community

We tend to stay mostly on the fringes of syscourse nowadays without directly interacting with it too often but I'm going to post this more broadly and less focused on our specific instance of this because community-wise I think it's important to talk about.

Endogenic and other non-traumagenic systems are so commonly excluded from so many neurodivergent-safe spaces where they would otherwise be able to gain knowledge about the disorders they might have, share experiences and coping strategies with peers, or at least have a sense of community that is so commonly valuable to disabled and/or neurodivergent people. In a lot of cases, even people who only support non-traumagenic systems get shoved out.

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This obviously harms non-traumagenic systems, but I have to point out that when people sit there and say "we care about REAL disabled people!", I have to say.... Do you? Because if you did care about those with mental illness, physical disability or neurodivergence, you in my mind wouldn't exclude them based on something unrelated to the topic itself which might even be something as small as holding an opinion that other people get to be the judge of their own experiences. You can say that you care about "real" disabled people, but what about when a traumagenic DID system also has a tulpa that they consider just as valid and real as their alters? What about when a system labels themselves as quoigenic because in reality, you owe no one the knowledge that you are vulnerable and traumatised? What about when a system starts out as endogenic but gains so much trauma later on that they develop dissociative symptoms?

We're quoigenic because while yes we are diagnosed with DID:

DID does not have trauma in the diagnostic criteria so our diagnosis doesn't mean anything by way of origin. Nontraumagenic is not the same as nondisordered the same way that traumagenic isn't the same as disordered.

We cannot remember a time before we were plural so we cannot say with accuracy what our actual origin was.

We have headmates we consider to be from both traumagenic and endogenic origins and it feels unfair to pick one.

We don't owe anyone a quick little "hey, we have trauma!" flag on our pinned post which can easily paint us as a target. This is the exact reason we don't share our triggers online--it's not safe.

You don't owe anyone personal medical information including your diagnostic history, your trauma history or lack thereof, your current medications or how many times you've been in a hospital. That is your business and yours alone to decide who you share it with. It's downright dangerous to share some of it, especially so publically. So who is anyone online that clearly isn't your specific medical practitioner to decide whether your experiences are real enough to allow you into spaces meant for a usually completely unrelated thing? Why would someone holding the opinion that endogenic systems get to decide what labels they use be denied access to spaces just because they support people with differing beliefs and/or experiences?

If we as a system with multiple disabilities want to go into a space for people who are schizoaffective because we need others who won't immediately jump on the ableism train when discussing something we're diagnosed with that has so much stigma, should we be denied that just because we don't label our origin with a clear-cut "we are traumatized!!" label? Should we be denied access to spaces because we don't want to sit around and smile while parts of our system and other members of our community are called fake and evil and whatever else they come up with? It's so common in spaces for people with disabilities to be exclusive to traumagenic systems and people with an anti-endogenic mindset that people don't realise they're not only hurting the endogenic community, but literal chunks of their own community itself.

I can't even begin to understand the reason why.

Endogenic systems by just existing do not cause harm. They're not like a transphobe you would not be safe around by default of having a label. Not every nontraumagenic system is a saint but if you took any communtiy and called everyone in it the equivalent of an unproblematic holy angel, you'd be lying. People are bad in every community, some worse than others, but the nontraumagenic system community literally just wants to exist--and yes, sometimes a nontraumagenic system (or supporter of such) does have dissociative symptoms, or maybe they have autism, or maybe they're physically disabled. Should they be not allowed access just because of the way they chose to label their system, or their opinion of people picking their own labels for their personal identity?

What exactly is the reason they're so excluded everywhere? I'd try to assume that this level of exclusion (to the point of endos being on DNIs next to transphobes and racists) would mean there's some real harm being done on a community-wide scale, but even when looking for it there isn't any explanation we've been able to find. "They're fake" is all we seem to see which has no actual backing whatsoever. "They're harmful" is another but.. How? We might be looking in the wrong places, but we have never seen an actual explanation for how nontraumagenic systems cause harm as a community just by being themselves.

At this point, I have to wonder how many people who say "we care about real disabled people!" are just covering up their "we care about socially acceptable disabled people who I understand and/or do not find cringey" sentiment instead. Being neurodivergent should never be about fitting into tight little boxes--it's part of the whole point of having a community like this. You're not the majority, and that's okay. So why are we dividing the disabled community into boxes too?

Of course, this doesn't only apply to ND spaces. LGBT+ spaces are similar and even more divided from the concept of being a system that it makes even less sense to block nontraumagenic systems from entering the space. How does their system origin relate to their LGBT+ identity? Sometimes it can, but should a trans person be excluded from a trans space because they have a friend who is an endogenic system and they support them fully?

Overall, the main point is that it makes no sense whatsoever to be anti-endo in general, let alone so violently anti-endogenic system to the point where you hurt members of your own community due to it. Sometimes from something as simple as them supporting endogenics alone. Your safe spaces aren't actually safe if you exclude a nonharmful group who also belong in that space due to having a personal identity or opinion different to yours. If you want somewhere to be a safe, inclusive space, it should include everyone as long as letting those people in won't cause harm. People who are seeking to cause harm (racists, transphobes, etc) obviously do not belong in a safe space because they seek to harm others, thus making the space unsafe. But people who just want to be themselves without harming anyone should be included in your space if they fall under whatever it may be topic-wise. Even the "cringey" ones. Even the ones who don't quite make sense to you or have "contradicting" labels. Even the ones who use labels completely differently to the way you do. And even the ones who are uninformed or misinformed but trying their best to learn. Your safe space is not safe if it excludes those who do not follow your every single mindset and thought without any deviation.

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anendoandfriendo · 2 months

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If "idrc about trans people" or " i'm neutral about trans people" would piss you off so should "idrc about endogenics" and "I'm neutral on endogenic systems"

We actually ARE tagging this and pinging folks since a lotta people need to hear this and that's the best we can think to do if @sophieinwonderland or @syscourse101 wanna rb.

We mean, the bigoted fuckers who'll complain about us are gonna get blocked and the silent ones will just...have something to think about now re: their bigotry or block us anyways lmao.

#plurality #endogenic #endogenic system #actually endogenic #pro-endogenic #pro-endo #enexto

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nekokaburi-system · 4 months

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hey guys

if its no secret what's your innerworld/headspace like????

ours looks mostly like different dreamcore/weirdcore spaces. parts appear/change/disappear there often. its pretty fun :>

-🐛🐣

#plural stuff #actually plural #plural #plural community #plural system #alters #plurality #plural gang #headspace #inner world #endo system #actually endogenic #endogenic system #pro endo #endogenic #endo safe #tulpa system

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sophieinwonderland · 9 months

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Yes, it's okay to call individual headmates nonverbal

Now, first, if you look at the relevant literal definition of nonverbal, it mentions nothing about being specific to people with ASD.

It's pretty fair based on this for anyone who lacks the ability to speak to identify as nonverbal if they feel it fits them. But wait! There's more!

Individual alters have actually been referred to as nonverbal in academic papers like this one!

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Claiming to be nonverbal isn't inherently claiming to have autism.

Although... for those headmates in systems that are nonverbal and also have ASD, there may well be a connection there too which needs to be looked at.

Sincerely, stop with the term policing!

Bottom line: Nonverbal and semiverbal headmates are valid.

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systemsafetypsas · 1 year

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This is a Warning for All Systems, Especially Those That Struggle With Unreality

@/antiendobot is potentially dangerous to any system (or singlet, for that matter) regardless of syscourse stance. Even if you agree with the viewpoints of whoever made this, as a bot, it does not have the same critical thinking skills, self-awareness, ability to process new information, etc., as a person, and as a result has repeatedly acted in ways that are blatantly harmful to disordered, nondisordered, traumagenic, and endogenic systems alike.

Thus far, it has...

Fakeclaimed and attempted to reality check a psychotic system, as well as actively made fun of their distress

Used the term "delusional" as an insult

Strongly implied that Psychosis is inherently traumagenic (which it is not)

Claimed systems without amnesia, including OSDD-1 systems, do not exist

Linked a study claiming that DID doesn't exist/is caused by clinicians

Frequently contradicted itself in ways that can come across as gaslighting

Repeatedly fakeclaimed any system that disagrees with it.

Additionally, it is also worth noting that many people, even those who do not typically have an issue with unreality, have reported difficulties telling whether the bot is a real person or a troll.

If any of these things may be triggering or otherwise distressing to you, we strongly advise that you block this bot immediately.

This is harmful not only to systems but potentially to psychotic singlets as well. Take everything this bot says, especially about science or psychology, with a very large grain of salt.

(Screenshots below the cut: Trigger warnings for unreality, ableism, fakeclaiming, etc.)

#did system #actually did #actually dissociative #actually osdd #actually plural #actually psychotic #psychotic systems #plurality #plural system #osddid #osdd #did osdd #syscourse #osdd system #endogenic #plural community #traumagenic #actually endogenic #actually traumagenic

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inevitable-pretty-chaos · 1 year

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Sometimes collective mind is healthier than a single one. Sometimes being plural may be better than being a singlet.

~Lawrence

#I just thought that it can be important #Also yeah I can elaborate!!#~wren #endogenic #endo system #endogenic system #actually endogenic #actually plural #plurality #plural community #pluralgang

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the-soulbonded-teaparty · 20 days

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The soulbonding carrd!

Ahhh I finished it! Also, the history bit is just a quick summary, but since history is my passion- and the profession we're probably going into, I'll write an essay on it eventually.

#soulbond #ℹ️ sb info #soulbonding #endo friendly #pluralgang #soulbonding system #actually endogenic #pro endo #soulbond system #endogenic #endogenic system #endogenic systems #endo system #fictionkin #otherkin #ockin #🫖

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sysmedsaresexist · 10 months

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Hey, remember that time that the authors of the DSM said that DID was a trauma disorder and gave an age cap?

I feel like everyone needs a reminder to read criteria B-- from the actual DSM, not WebMD, that "and/or" doesn't mean trauma is optional, it means you might or might not remember it

Remember that recent fMRI research supports and proves the above hypothesis

#syscourse #actuallydid #actuallyosdd #osdd #actuallytraumagenic #endogenic #actually endogenic #did #DSM #pro endo #pro education #debunk

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rusanya-does-edits · 5 months

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Endogenics y'all are sexy if you want to be, we know because we are endogenic, have a fantastic day. :)

#endogenic systems #EnExTo #plurality #endogenic plurals #system positivity #endogenic positivity #Neurodiversity #Actually Endogenic #endogenic #actually plural #positivity #plural positivity #photo edit #photo edit?

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ponderouswhims · 1 year

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PSA that being endogenic and/or being non-disordered doesn't mean that we're just happy little brain friends all the time. Doesn't mean everything is all sunshine and rainbows. Doesn't mean we always get along. Doesn't mean we always like being plural.

We don't talk about the hard stuff much. It's personal, and complicated, and private. We don't want people to misinterpret us as saying we have it Just As Bad as CDD systems. And we don't want anyone trying to prune us into their own narrow frameworks.

If someone truly has only ever had positive plural experiences, that's fine and good and it doesn't make them less plural! Happy for you if this is your experience.

But we are so tired of people assuming this about endogenic systems. It's not true for us, and we'd bet money it's not true for many others as well.

#plurality #actually plural #endogenic #actually endogenic #endo safe #syscourse

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humorsunbalanced · 1 year

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Introtean / Introject-only system

a system which only splits introjects.

this system does not have to only encompass system members who identify as introjects. some introjects may have a vague source, multiple sources, or may not follow source. as well, after things such as integration, fusion, and personal growth, an introject may not identify as one anymore.

intended for disordered systems, but free to use for all systems and plurals.

#system terms #introjects #introtives #actually did #actually osdd #actually traumagenic #pluralgang #actually endogenic #endo safe #plural terms #blah blah blah w/e

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alounuitte · 4 months

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“Dissociation,” our final project for this semester (and a prologue to our project for next semester’s independent study). Details in reblogs.

#dissociative identity disorder #plurality #plural system #actually plural #actually endogenic #lol idc if people come after me for that tag #multiplicity #multiple system #jallynart #systag

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anendoandfriendo · 4 months

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Tshirt with one of the fictive flags and there's comic sans font text under the flag and all it says is "copyright violation"

#actually plural #actually a system #actually a fictive #actually endogenic #post is accepting of all system origins #plurality #enexto #fictive #shitpost

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nekokaburi-system · 4 months

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okay, intro post!

like…hi?

we're a system of 11 alters. at least for now, but we're pretty sure there's someone else...

well our body is 20 and we mostly use the pronouns he/it/they. use he/they and you won't go wrong! :>

the guys in the front change quite often…sometimes too often. we try to sign names.

okay, here's the list!

🚪Azazel/Az - he/him, ageless, caretaker, parental figure

💎Belphegor/Bel - he/she/they/it, ageless, masker, pacific

🐛Joseph - he/him, 16, protector, anger holder

💄Arlequin - he/she, 23, «black sheep», hermit

🔥Nibo/Richard - he/🍁, 20, comforter, brother figure, assistant

🦈Ray - he/they, 18, trauma holder(bunnykid), companion

🐣Nathan/Nate - he/purr, 15, battery, fixkeeper, fandom keeper

🌫Ace - he/it, 19, apathy holder

📚 Shuji - he/him, 26, jester, librarian, music holder

🩻Haruchiyo - he/him, 16, trauma holder(doekid), accessory

♠ Murdoc - he/him, ageless, lone wolf, prosecutor

we're here to get to know other systems and all that. we're a little lonely :(

mostly writing our thoughts and stuff yk. we're not very well versed in this whole topic... but I guess we're the endo system..?

anyway... it's pretty cool and interesting here. we'll probably stay heh.

#plural stuff #actually plural #plural community #plural system #plural #alters #plurality #endo system #actually endogenic #endogenic system #pro endo #endo safe #endogenic #intro post #headmates #headspace #idk what else to tag #hey everyone

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sophieinwonderland · 1 year

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Words You Can't Use (According to Language Police)

System: System is a medical term that only applies to DID systems and can only be used by them. Ignore Internal Family Systems therapy, or top DID specialists referring to some voices in psychotic disorders as parts of a system. Only dissociative disorders!

Multiple: This came from the multiplicity community, and the only way to be multiple is to have a dissociative disorder. (No! Don't look at the boundary with normality in the ICD-11)

Plural: This means the same thing as multiple. Still can't use it.

Alter: A medical term that only applies to DID systems.

Headmate: Means the same thing as alter, and you can't have a headmate unless you have DID. But also, DID systems can't use this because it's not a medical term. (I've seriously seen someone attacking the Plural Association for using the word headmate instead of alter. Oh, wait. That was the same system claiming endogenic is offensive. That tracks!)

Introject: This is a medical term with a specific meaning that can only apply to DID systems. It's not like introjection is a common psychological process, and any headmate created through introjection would logically be considered an introject.

Fictive and factive: Non-traumagenic systems can't use this because it means the same thing as introject and non-traumagenic systems can't have introjects. But also, traumagenic systems can't use it because it was coined by endogenic systems.

Tulpa: You can't use this because its etymology is derived from another language, and anything with a foreign origin is apparently appropriation.

Thoughtform: This is also related to the tulpa, and you can't use it either. Try something more invalidating like "imaginary friend."

Imagian plural: Psych! Actually, we decided that if you identify your headmate as imaginary friend but call yourself plural, you're comparing alters to imaginary friends which is super ableist.

Spiritual plural: We also decided that literally every culture that ever experienced nonpathological possession states is closed, and identifying any of your headmates as being spiritual is racist. We don't know who it's racist against, but it's against someone. Trust us.

Sysmed: This uses the same suffix as transmeds, and It's actually transphobic for transgender systems to compare how a hate group has harmed them through an ideology that pathologizes all transness to how another has harmed them through an ideology that pathologizes all multiplicity. It's the same way it would be homophobic for other groups to use the "phobic" suffix. Oh... wait...

Natural: By calling something natural, you're inherently calling everyone else's experiences unnatural, which sounds bad. Why do you think disabled people are unnatural? Don't think about the fact that nature in psychology generally refers to genetics and the more common opposite in this context would be more akin to "environmental."

Endogenic: Well.... umm... you see... it sounds kind of like iatrogenic... or maybe endogenous... and endogenous is a common word used to refer to something internal... and there was some debate about whether DID was endogenous or exogenous... so that's why other groups can't use the word, and using the word makes you ableist? And... umm... Freud?

It's funny how anti-endos keep insisting that literally every word is harmful, and demand we take their assertions super seriously when they claim that all they want is for us to change the language we use.

If you still think this language discourse is legitimate and in good faith, you haven't been paying attention.

If anti-endos feel we're not taking their criticisms seriously... it's because we're not.

It's because when every term is treated as contentious, it becomes obvious that you don't care about language as much you care about using attacks on language to silence speech.

I have said for a while that the attacks on terms like "tulpa" and others aren't in good faith. That we would be attacked no matter what terms we use because anti-endos hate us for what we are, and only target our language as an excuse to spread hate against us.

I have said for a while that nothing would satisfy them.

I sincerely hope that most people watching these latest attacks play out can see the truth in this now.

The endogenic and plural community is done apologizing for our existence, and we're done apologizing for the language we use.

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