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qillermeme · 2 years
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jameslmartellojr · 2 months
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killed-by-choice · 1 year
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FACT: Banning abortion dramatically reduces the rate of abortion— and the number of women dying from abortion
Restrictive state-level abortion policies are associated with not having an abortion at all. Calculated to account for the rate of criminal/illegal abortions.
“Women who lived in a state where abortion access was low were more likely than women living in a state with greater access to use highly effective contraceptives rather than no method” Not only are abortion rates lower where abortions are illegal, but unwanted pregnancy rates too. People are more careful. (From the Guttmacher Institute, former statistics arm of Planned Parenthood.) https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2015/05/state-abortion-context-and-us-womens-contraceptive-choices-1995-2010
29% of Medicaid eligible pregnant women who would have an abortion with Medicaid coverage, instead give birth. Calculated to account for the rate of criminal/illegal abortions. https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-019-0775-5
Analysis of statewide data from the three States indicated that following restrictions on State funding of abortions, the proportion of reported pregnancies resulting in births, rather than in abortions, increased in all three States. Calculated to account for the rate of criminal/illegal abortions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1580169/pdf/pubhealthrep00193-0013.pdf
Approximately one-fourth of women who would have Medicaid-funded abortions instead give birth when this funding is unavailable … Studies have found little evidence that lack of Medicaid funding has resulted in illegal abortions. Calculated to account for the rate of criminal/illegal abortions.
We find that a 100-mile increase in distance to the nearest clinic is associated with 30.7 percent fewer abortions and 3.2 percent more births. Calculated to account for the rate of criminal/illegal abortions.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pam.22263
rate of abortion is found to be lower in states where access to providers is reduced and state policies are restrictive. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9099567/
A wait time as short as 72 hours is enough to start decreasing abortion rates. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1049386716300603
Abortion decreased after being restricted: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050978/
Michigan banned Medicaid from paying for abortion. Abortion rates dropped. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8135922/
The farther away a woman is from an abortion facility, the less likely she is to get one: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2134397?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Some restrictions were enacted in Eastern Europe in the 80s and 90s. The rates of abortion AND pregnancy rates both decreased.
Fetal development information and required waiting periods lead to less abortion:
A study in Louisiana and Maryland found that laws against abortion were effective at stopping abortions
Countries with abortion bans also have dramatically lower maternal mortality compared to other countries in the region with dangerously permissive abortion laws.
“Contrary to the notion proposing a negative impact of restrictive abortion laws on maternal health, the abortion mortality ratio did not increase after the abortion ban in Chile. Rather, it decreased over 96 percent.”
Mexican states that ban and restrict abortion have better MMR than permissive states: “Over the 10-year period, states with less permissive abortion legislation exhibited lower Maternal Mortality Rates than more permissive states.”
Poland bans all abortion except LotM and has the world’s lowest MMR (2/100000). Malta bans almost all abortions and has MMR of 6/100000
It also works in reverse. Multiple countries have seen an increase in MMR after legalizing abortion.
Guyana legalized abortion and achieved the worst MMR on the continent. (Compare that to Chile, which has constitutional protections for the unborn and an MMR that dropped by over 96% AFTER abortion was banned.)
Ethiopia legalized abortion and it made MMR worse: “Although abortion was not legalised on demand, it was legalised on broad socio-economic grounds: the Center for Reproductive Rights place it in the same category as the UK and Finland which, while not strictly allowing abortion on demand, do allow something close to that in practice.” … “Over the period of legalisation, the proportion of women with septic shock more than doubled, with the same result for organ failure. The proportion admitted to intensive care nearly tripled. Between 2008 and 2014, the percentage of women receiving post-abortion care who have severe complications increased by over 50%, from 7% to 11%. During this time, the proportion of women presenting with organ failure quadrupled, the proportion with peritonitis quintupled, and the proportion with shock nearly doubled.”
Ireland’s once-stellar MMR also increased after legalizing abortion. (Compare to Poland and Malta with almost total bans and to the UK where abortion is essentially legal in demand up to the second trimester.)
The pattern repeats in Asia. Nepal, where there is no restriction on abortion, has one of the world’s highest maternal mortality rates. (The lowest in the region is Sri Lanka, with a rate fourteen times lower than Nepal and very good restrictions on abortion.)
In addition, less people are being lured into abortion under the false impression that it’s “safe and legal”. If any of them die of illegal abortion, it’s because they knowingly committed a crime. There will no longer be cases like 17-year-old Roselle Owens, Sarah Dunn, Tonya Reaves and Cree Erwin-Sheppard (to name a few) who were killed by abortion because they were lied to about the risks.
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2802mi · 2 months
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wildfeather5002 · 9 months
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A friendly reminder that being okay with the physical & mental suffering of pregnant, already existing people as long as new people can be born is a very messed up view to have <3
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theshoesofatiredman · 2 years
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I used to be very prolife since I used to be very evangelical. I don't know when I changed my mind exactly, but I do know that arguments that took the life of the fetus seriously and framed it as an issue of bodily autonomy helped me change my mind. I know that hearing the stories of children who "should've been aborted" and the shroud of grief and pain they grew up inside radically altered my perspective. The realization that no law could truly account for pregnant rape victims, because the legal system would never convict a rapist in time (if at all), forced me to see that we wouldn't be able to enable the exceptions with restrictive abortion laws. The notion that "when life begins" is an unanswerable philosophical question in the sense that it is resolved different ways by different people and cultures whose moral autonomy should be respected helped frame the issue for me in a way I needed. I was already breaking the chains of Christian dominionism in other areas of my life and this pluralistic reframing of the issue was very helpful. Before I was pro choice, I was ideologically pulled into the grey area that my evangelical upbringing had indoctrinated out of existence.
No single argument or conversation is going to change a person's mind. But it is not a hopeless effort to pull people towards nuance, to pull them up and out of the black and white world they live in. People do change and they change incrementally, even when they don't notice it.
Anyways, fuck the supreme court and anti-choice movement. Abortion is healthcare and the fact that our government fails to recognize this and give people with uteruses equal rights is disgusting.
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beautifulpersonpeach · 8 months
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Hi BPP!
Non-kpop related ask.
This is coming right out of left field, but the way you logically work through your ideas makes me very curious about your answer to this question:
What do you think about abortion? Rather, the abortion debate, specifically in the US.
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It’s a bit sadistic of you to ask me this publicly, in a post- Roe vs. Wade -world.
But I'll bite.
I’ll use the US as the basis for the discussion here because I think their abortion debate is the most sensationalized.
People take it for granted that just because women have been giving birth to babies for thousands of years that childbirth is a very safe procedure. The reality is that it’s not. Unfortunately. Many women today die in childbirth, even if everything went relatively well during pregnancy. In the US, the maternal mortality rates for Black women is 3x higher than it is for white women due to unequal access to quality healthcare and other factors. And none of these factors are changing soon.
And so, it seems like a no brainer to me that since the only person exposed to life-altering and life-threatening outcomes not just in carrying a fetus to term but in the delivery of the baby, is the woman or person carrying said fetus, then that person should be the only person whose opinion determines what happens to them regardless of the fetus. So long as the fetus is dependent on and physically attached to that person’s body, it’s their call. With their doctor’s counsel. That to me seems like the most humane approach, especially for a society that refuses to provide structural support for childcare, food affordability, education, and a means for people who have had children to seamlessly integrate into the workforce again.
You know, all the things that society would do if it valued life and the fulfillment of it.
No offense to the Catholics, Muslims, and Zoroastrians who follow me but if you’re not pro-choice, why aren’t you?
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The nature of the abortion debate in the US and many other countries, the way it’s framed in the first place, kinda bothers me tbh.
“Pro-life” is a misnomer. It only actually represents being anti-choice. That is, the moment you’re pregnant, the choice to carry the fetus to term has already been decided for you by the government. A power that only a deity or god is supposed to have, has now been given to the State. As a woman or person carrying a child, your free will is rendered moot and you become nothing but an incubator, carrying a child that the State immediately loses interest in the moment you deliver it. And that’s if you’re one of the lucky ones who actually make it through childbirth. The less lucky ones could end up with life-altering injuries impacting the quality of the rest of their lives, an added burden that could tip the most vulnerable people further into poverty (since the US provides very limited structural support), or they could literally die while giving birth and this is more likely to happen in the US if that person is a Black woman.
It’s grotesque.
And yet, the country cannot bring itself to admit the barbarity of a 12 year old child forced to deliver a child. If the priority is to save lives, why would the government force pregnant people into a situation where not just one life could be ended, but two?
In fact, one of the most disappointing indications that we’re probably in the later stages of societal collapse in the US, is when the abortion debate became the litmus test for 50% of the country’s voting decisions. In my opinion.
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The original said “no magic” but I fixed it.
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senseofmonachopsis · 4 months
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The right to life is not inalienable because death sentences exist, whether they be enforced by the justice/prison system or by other civilians who kill someone for whatever reason they see fit (such as self defense, which is justifiable according to most people).
If everyone truly has an unconditional right to life then laws protecting property owners who kill trespassers wouldn't exist because those deaths would be considered wrongful and worthy of prosecuting the killer 100% of the time with no protection under the law.
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cyarskaren52 · 3 months
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AS THEY SHOULD!! Well done, grand jurors!
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qillermeme · 2 years
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jameslmartellojr · 2 months
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killed-by-choice · 6 months
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Pamala Wainwright, 38
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On January 15, 1987, Pamala Wainwright was admitted to Shallowford Community Hospital in Dunwoody, Georgia to have an abortion and a tubal ligation. She never walked out.
Pamala was a married mother of 3 (counting the baby she was 11 weeks pregnant with). One of her kids had Down Syndrome, but it is unknown if this played a part in Pamala’s reasoning to have an abortion.
The next day, Pamala was taken to the operating room. Wendell Phillips was the abortionist who killed Pamala and her third baby.
The abortion was done with a method known as a carbon dioxide abortion, which involved putting a needle into the mother’s abdomen and pumping carbon dioxide to kill the unborn baby. I have been able to find almost no information on this method outside of Pamala’s case.
Phillips did not bother to make sure he put the needle in the right place. He pumped carbon dioxide gas directly into Pamala’s bloodstream, causing vapor lock in her heart that induced cardiac arrest. She was killed almost instantly.
On January 16, 1987, Pamala’s husband became a widower and the father of a dead child. He was left to raise his surviving children as a single father. Had Pamala never undergone an abortion, he would probably have soon celebrated the birth of a family member instead of mourning the deaths of two.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195244300/pamala-a-wainwright
Fulton County (GA) Superior Court D-62259
https://www.ancientfaces.com/person/pamala-wainwright-birth-1949-death-1987/41248522
"Georgia Death Index, 1933-1998," database, Pamala A Wainwright, 16 Jan 1987; from "Georgia Deaths, 1919-98," database citing DeKalb, Georgia, certificate number 022728, Georgia Health Department, Office of Vital Records, Atlanta.
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My TikTok rant about abortion
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atheostic · 4 months
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head-post · 2 months
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France became first world country to enshrine women’s abortion rights in constitution
French lawmakers approved a bill that would enshrine a woman’s right to abortion in the French Constitution during a joint session of parliament at the Palace of Versailles on Monday.
The legislation was approved by an overwhelming majority of 780 to 72. Both houses of parliament, the National Assembly and the Senate, have already passed a bill to amend Article 34 of the French Constitution, which states that a woman’s right to abortion is guaranteed.
Ahead of the historic vote, Prime Minister Gabriel Attal addressed 925 lawmakers at Versailles and urged them to make France a leader in women’s rights and set an example of women’s rights for countries across the globe. Attal paid tribute to Simone Veil, a former health minister and leading feminist who backed a bill to decriminalise abortion in France in 1975.
Read more HERE
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