Listen (and yes I know it’s only a fraction of the actual scene but still). Can we talk about the fact that, lie detector or not, Tim could’ve just said yes? Like he didn’t have to add the I love you and yet he did.
BECAUSE HE LOVES HER. PERIOD.
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Here’s the thing about Timothy stoker
here it is the tim post
People who say tim is an asshole are partially correct.
People who say tim is ‘toxic’ are INCORRECT.
I am very strongly about this because. listen to me. okay.
SPOILERS UP TO TMA SEASON 3 AHEAD
Imagine BEING timothy stoker. After whats probaboy the secondmost traumatizing experience of your life in which you almost die if not by the worms then by the MEDICAL EMERGENCY (respiratory acidosis is a medical emergency :3) your body was put into- plagued with nightmares and the pain of your body being covered in holes and your medical issues, you come back to the archives expecting to see your best friend, That will make it all better. It’ll be so worth it once you can see her again.
And then she acts so distant. And you dont know why.
And you have just lost your friendship. The one that’s kept you going this whole time. The one you were starting to believe might have been unbreakable. And you Don’t. Know. Why.
Eventually after many failed attempts to reconnect, you resign yourself to the fact that she just got tired of you. That you were right this whole time. That she just pitied you. You still don’t know what you did wrong and it’s eating you alive, but she won’t tell you, so you have to settle with pretending to be glad that she’s at least alive, All while your boss is literally going insane and STALKING YOU???
Only to find out after a YEAR of believing you were just unlovable that this person? The person youve been trying to ‘reconnect’ with? That isnt your best friend, Your best friend dies and you never noticed. How could you not notice? But when you see the real picture of her she feels like a stranger and you realize you have no fucking escape from your horrible, unforgivable sin of forgetting your friend. Because no matter what you do, trying to look back at your memories, that *thing* is there instead. You can’t even enjoy your memories before she died.
So you sit there, alone and afraid. Angry, grieving, everything else. What are you supposed to do but make the thing that has haunted you since the disappearance of your Brother feel the kind of pain it is making you feel?
Tim isn’t toxic. Hell I wouldn’t even say he’s that much of an asshole.
He’s a hurt child.
Mentally, especially in season three, he’s having the equivalent of a child’s breakdown. The kind they have when they don’t know how to express the emotions they’re feeling. These emotions- this grief, this anger, this pain- it’s so big, it’s so much, and he feels so small, so incapable and weak, and he cannot properly handle it. He cannot cope. Especially since he’s still somewhat trapped in who he was when his brother was taken.
Now im not saying the way he went about this is at all great, but yknow. Everyone forgives reactions to trauma until they’re personally inconvenient or ugly.
Tim lost everything, and honestly i would be pretty damn similar if I was in his position! That’s DEVASTATING.
In the end, there’s such a horrible tragedy to his entire character that goes almost entirely unnoticed unless you’re like me and you’re insane and overanalyze someone based on one word in an extra audio thats not in the podcast.
Anyways, that’s why I love Tim.
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While I'm thinking about A Lonely Place of Dying and Tim being a weird gremlin right from the start, though, this panel lives rent free in my head and I think about it all the time.
Because on the one hand I think fanon has a tendency to exaggerate the level of deliberate neglect on the part of the Drakes. They didn't just leave Tim living alone in a house as a middle schooler, they put him in boarding school so he would have, you know, adult supervision to some degree, which is probably the responsible thing to do if you're going to be traveling internationally most of the time and not there yourself.
ON THE OTHER HAND. What Tim is actually saying here, in response to Alfred's very reasonable and concerned question of "Where are your parents, random child", is that apparently nobody is looking after him right now. His parents are traveling, his school is on break, and he just traveled across state lines repeatedly to track down a dude who is basically a stranger and apparently no one has noticed.
Which means, presumably, that his parents think he's at school and his school probably thinks he's with his parents and he's probably lying to both of them because he had Batman Business to attend to and that's clearly more important than any adult who's responsible for his well-being knowing where the fuck he is or what he's up to. (Chasing Batman around taking pictures, breaking into people's homes, getting into a fight with a clown, etc.)
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Tim Drake, at 3 am: how do i make an impromptu french course for people who had horrible teachers
Bernard Dowd, also at 3 am: Send them to France and they'll learn
Tim: ...
Tim: does
Tim, only kind of lying: does it look like i have the time, money or resources for that
Bernard: Tele0ort them to France
Tim, half-lying again: does it look like i have the time, money or resources for that
Bernard: TELEPORT
Tim: I CAN'T AFFORD TELEPORTATION
Bernard: magicallyyyy
Tim: I knoowowwwwww
Tim, actually properly lying this time: but i don't know anyone who could do that for me, and i don't have the time to dedicate myself to the arcane arts
Bernard: THEN TELL PEOPLE TO FLY TO FRANCE
Bernard: SWIM THEM TO FRANCE
Tim: OH MY GOD, BERNARD, YOU CAN'T JUST ASK PEOPLE TO SWIM TO FRANCE
Bernard: No you swim them to france
Tim: what
Bernard: Put them in a sac and swim the sacs to france
Tim: so are you suggesting
Tim: i just
Tim: kidnap them
Tim: and put them in a bag
Bernard: Yes
Tim: and just
Bernard: Yes
Tim: drag it?? to france??
Bernard: No swim it to france
Bernard: You swim across the Atlantic
Bernard: Ocean
Tim: that's what i mean
Bernard: Well ya but you could also drive them to Québec
Tim Drake, 15 years old, has only ever driven the batmobile, does not have a driver's license: ...remind me why i come to you for problems like this again
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