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#Secrets of Dumbledore spoilers
writingfool001 · 2 years
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I JUST HAD A THOUGHT!!!! Yk how in the movie Clarence (I'm sorry if I get the names wrong and forget terms, I didn't watch the movie with subtitles bc I couldn't find one and it's been a while since I've watched fantastic beasts) kinda just became this black flowy silk????? Thingy bc he snapped or smth? And I remember a post saying Newt!Mc was capable of doing so (if not uhhh disregard this ^^) how would the nrc fellas react to that?
Newt!MC is inspired by Newt Scamander
I understand what you're trying to explain, its okay. I had to rewatch the first movie of the Fantastic Beasts series for inspiration.
I did talk about how it was capable for Newt!MC to do this IF they consciously tried to contain their magic. I realize my mistake now and how that would clash with general Newt!MC since they use their magic to take care of their creatures and animals as well as casting spells, so initially it wouldn't make sense if Newt!MC had this ability.
Now for those who just wanted an answer to the prompt or question: No, Newt!MC is not capable of doing so because they express and use their magical abilities. For those who are curious and want to read more into it, then continuer reading.
Warning, contains spoilers about Secrets of Dumbledore
If you don't want spoilers about anything involving Secrets of Dumbledore, save to read this afterwards until after you see Secrets of Dumbledore then come back.
Bringing this up actually made me step back and think about it. During this discussion, I will be referring to the wikis regarding Obscurus and Obscurial. For quick context, I will give a definition of both from what I've read.
Obscurus is materialization of the repressed energy of a young witch/wizards/wixes (I am not sure if I am using the right.) who either consciously restrained or were forced to not use their magical abilities. Doing so could cause the energy to become an entity who would appear in a hostile fury when the obscurial loses control.
Obscurial: the young witch/wizards/wixes who developed the dark parasitcal magical force due to their magic being repressed.
When the obscurial reaches their breaking point, the obscurus would appear and start a violent outrage, giving the opportunity of . We have mainly seen Credence who is an Obscurial turn into the obscurus due to extreme cases.
Another thing that is mentioned that most obscurials die before their tenth birthday while only two cases have lived past their tenth birthday.
For example, Credence is a special case considering he is past ten and has unusually powerful magic. Ariana Dumbledore wasan obscurial as well, but she lived past her tenth birthday; however it was poisoning her. It did not kill her, but she was dying.
It is impossible for Newt!MC to be because they are not related to the Dumbledores and they are older than ten as well as using their magical abilities throughout their childhood.
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Militiae species amor est
Albus wondered if he had perhaps made a mistake, suggesting they meet in this particular restaurant. It was one of the few Muggle establishments he regularly frequented and he wondered if it would be forever tainted in his mind now if this meeting went badly. He always enjoying the quite ambiance and the delicious tea blend they served. It was a place where he could blend in, one where no one would find or recognise him. It was why he had suggested it in his letter to Gellert. It was a neutral location, one where no one was likely to see them meeting and understand the significance. He glanced down at the blood pact that had been kept firmly in his hand since he left Hogwarts. It hadn't left his person since Newt had retrieved it. He still didn't know what he wanted to do with it. He had assured Newt that he would work on destroying it but somehow, that felt unimaginable. Gellert had carried it for so many years, when Albus had assumed he had thrown it into the ocean at first opportunity. He'd been wearing it, openly, in Paris during his rally. Why would he do such a thing, unless it was to openly taunt him? Had Gellert cared when he discovered the pact was gone? Had he been angry? Upset? Hurt? Albus had little doubt that he knew who had taken it. He'd almost expected a letter, demanding the troths return but had found himself disappointed when it never came. He should have expected that. Gellert had always known where to find him but he'd never once reached out since he had run away back in the Hollow, abandoning him when he had needed him the most. But he hadn't come here to discuss their past. No, he was here for an entirely different reason. Credence was Aberforths son. He was still shocked by the discovery he had made only recently. He had never known Aberforth had fathered a child and although his brother had known, he had believed the baby had drowned at sea when it had been taken to America. It was only when Albus had told his brother about the LeStranges journey to America and the switching of the babies that he had pieced everything together. Albus had made some inquiries via his network of associates and while he hadn't been entirely convinced at first, learning that Credence had acquired a phoenix had finally confirmed their suspicions. He had known then that he couldn't simply stand by the side lines. This wasn't something he could send anyone else to do. If he were to negotiate for his nephews safe return, he'd known he would need to meet with Gellert. He'd sent the letter with Fawkes, entrusting his own Phoenix with the task of locating Credences familiar. He'd charmed the letter, ensuring Gellert alone would be able to open and read it's contents. He hadn't been sure if he would even reply but soon enough, he'd received a note with a single line with only a date and time on it. The waitress appeared, bringing tea and asking if he would like something else. "N... No, no. Not just yet. I'm waiting. I'm expecting someone." Albus knew he was rambling and he noted the soft smile and a look of understanding - or perhaps it was pity - before she nodded and walked away and he was pleased to be alone with his thoughts once more as he added sugar magically to his tea and stirred it. Why was he so nervous? He felt a soft pressure in his chest and his pulse was echoing in his ears. It wasn't like though was a date. Just because he had worn his favourite suit (and only changed twice...three times) and brushed his hair far too many times before leaving the castle. He had wondered if Gellert would like this restaurant, even though he knew he shouldn't matter. This was not a date. He was here only to discuss Credence. It's not a date. @he-who-ignites
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hellofaride2021 · 2 years
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I saw Secrets of Dumbledore today. My sister works in our local cinema so I got in for free, no money to the studio lol
I enjoyed it. Not my favourite of the HP franchise but I did like it, and I like Mads Mikkelsen. He’s a great actor and he’s definitely scary enough to be Grindleward, but it should have been Johnny 🤷🏼‍♀️
One thing I absolutely loved was Jude Law as Dumbledore. When he was first cast, I was a little sceptical but he surprised me from the beginning. But I loved him in this film. There was something about his look in this film, I really could see him as young(ish lol) Dumbledore.
I just loved him!
And I’m so happy they didn’t gloss over or play down his relationship with Gindleward. That mini battle of theirs? Ooh I’m looking forward to the big one.
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grndelwalds · 2 years
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#when he turns up at your new job with divorce papers 💔
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letthewhumpbegin · 6 months
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Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)
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whumpypepsigal · 2 years
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Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)
“You’re not nervous, are you? Can’t be nervous about a speech after saving the world.”
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summerof-1899 · 2 years
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"I will not think about Gellert Grindelwald anymore. He is not my greatest desire!"
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grindeldore1899 · 2 years
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i love them a little bit too much.
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wicked-chocolatine · 2 years
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You're all alone.
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threeimagineryboys · 2 years
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I've seen some people online saying how shipping Grindeldore is gross due to what Gellert stands for.
I think that's exactly why Grindeldore is such an interesting ship.
We know Dumbledore as this loving and protective character; the greatest wizard of all time. Even the bloody qilin bowed for him.
And yet even he still loves this twisted dark wizard.
We need to know more about Grindelwalds background. I love how Mads said that he believes something bad happened to his family which is why he's carrying this hate around and spreading it.
There has to be more to the story and I NEED IT NOW!!!!
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opugno-1007 · 2 years
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FANTASTIC BEASTS: THE SECRETS OF DUMBLEDORE (2022)
dir. David Yates
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ciphersworld · 2 years
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Some of my thoughts about Grindeldore in The Secrets of Dumbledore
So, im REALLY obsessed with this movie and i wrote some of my thoughts and i decided put it here.
First of all, english is not my native language, so im so sorry for any mistake, and obviously, in this post there are spoilers. LETS GO
The Restaurant scene
Their smiles kill me btw
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I love the restaurant scene for how Gellert insists over and over that it was both planning a revolution, that Albus not only followed him because they were in love, because HE helped make their plans and HE turned his back on them. Phrases like "It was you who said we can reshape the world" and "Committed to me, to US" it makes that clear
I think that Gellert was so angry with Albus because, in his perspective, he went on with his life as if nothing happened and that bothers him, he has so much anger and bitterness in his heart that he doesn't see beyond appearances
He doesn't want Albus to make excuses, he wants the Albus he MET in 1899 in his side , but he hasn't realized of THAT Albus died with Ariana and only at the end does he realize that Albus left his arms forever
And Albus, this is where I asked myself what was his point in being there, did he just want to try and convince Gellert to break the pact or did he want to see if there was a way to deal with this situation without breaking it? Albus doesn't want to let Gellert go either (even though he knows that isn't the Gellert he fell in love with anymore), he wants to save Gellert and try to save what they have.
Gellert was hurt after Albus said "We can free each other", which is why i think he acts so mean to Albus in the rest of the scene (and in the movie!). Gellert loves and cares about the pact, he carried the Troth with him everywhere for about 28 years, that he had it in a chest pocket, that he sacrificed and risked his escape in order to get it back at the start of COG, it's very obvious that. I think he uses the pact all the time because it's a palpable reminder of the one time he felt understood and loved by an equal. He uses it because it makes him feel close to Albus.
This scene was perfect, and I thanks so much to Jude and Mads performace <3
How they talked about the other in the movie
Someone doesnt feels weird the way they talked about the other with another people in the movie? Like, sometimes it feels like their relantionships was not a secret. Gellert explicity admits to his acolites and Kama he knew and was a Dumbledore´s close friend.
I personally think that Gellert doesnt hide their relationship to anyone, he is very pround and selfish about their conextion (another reason for he posibble cares so much about the troth!). But Albus is the contrarian.
He talks about his realantionship but with a few people, talks about it with Thesus but only for convinced him. And says THREE times he loved Gellert (and one of it was to Gellert himself).
ALSO, Gellert and Albus are so obsessed with each other in the movie, like Albus mentions their love every time he can and Gellert have visions about Albus and look at him with the most look of longing have ever see, THEY'RE OBSESSED WITH EACH OTHER AND I LOVE IT!!
For next, my favorite part of the movie
The almost duel
Frist of all, THE SOUNDTRACK OF THS SCENE IS PRECIOUS AND GORGEOUS, thank you James Newton Howard.
And then, can we talk about Gellert's face in this frame and how he trembles at the mere thought of touching Albus after 30 years and realizing he can't hurt him because he still loves him so deeply?
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When they put their hands on each other's hearts, Albus keeps his hand outstretched, Gellert presses his hand to Albus's chest as if he wants to hold on to it, trembles at the thought of hurting him and clings to him in the face of it. His face of him is one of absolute despair, this is the moment where they realize that their destiny is inevitable and that they will repeat this duel one day.
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Now something that I find interesting is how Gellert trembles at the idea and lets his guard down for a moment, and Albus holds his wand up, he doesn't like the idea, but he's more determined to do it, that's the moment where he chooses to do what is right and not what is easy.
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And Albus, he doesn't even know how to feel about all of this. Should he feel angry with Gellert for left him? Should he be glad that he was stopped in that summer in the worst way possible? Would he be willing to give up the best two months of his life for his sister? He can hurt to the man he loves?
They both love each other, but that is the moment where they have lost each other and their reactions to it kill me. Gellert seeks to emotionally harm Albus and Albus just walks away, he does not seek to harm Gellert with his action from him, but the fact that he turns his back on him and shows a certain indifference after tremendous emotional shock hurts Gellert more and seeks to harm Albus more with his next action
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"Who will love you now Dumbledore?, you're all alone" Those words seem more directed at himself than at Albus, he feels alone, and the only proof that someone really loved him lies broken on the ground.
It is also interesting how Gellert goes from calling him "Albus" at the beginning of the film to calling him "Dumbledore" at the end of it
I think Albus was more prepared for the idea of ​​​​confronting him, from the beginning he raises the idea of ​​​​getting rid of the troth and Gellert is resistant to the idea, he doesn't want to, it is the only physical proof he has of his and he clings to it. Item.
Gellert is an emotional wreck and unlike Albus, he doesn't have people who love and support him unconditionally, he's alone.
He is a man who does not know how to deal with strong emotions (and it has been shown since fbwtft) and that is his greatest weakness. Dumbledore always talks about how love is the most powerful magic because he thinks it is what we don't know. He doesn't even feel lovable, but he keeps thinking about it.
And every day I am more convinced that Gellert's feelings for Albus are the reason why he loses THE duel, that Gellert's love for him is enough for him to repent and let him win, and thats why Albus locks Gellert in Nurmergard, because he has faith that he will regret it because he already showed signs of it
The end of the movie
"I was never your enemy..." says Gellert to the public, and then proceed to search Albus, look at him to the eyes and says "...then or now"
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I was speechless at first, THIS MAN hurts Albus firts and he feels betrayed and emotionally hurt by him, BUT HE STILL WANTS ALBUS ON HIS SIDE. I HAVE NO WORDS FOR THAT.
The end of the movie is so sad, Albus promeses to Thesues find and captured Gellert after have that moment is so hurtful. See the pact broken is a hurtful pain and he cant explain that.
(btw Newt is a great friend for Albus in this movie, all the time he helps and supports because he knows that this hurts him, he doesn't judge him and that's why i adore Newt so much)
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At the very end see Albus seeing the wedding was so sad, i cant belived how that scene is so painful and so happy and the same time. I actually refuse to belive that they dont invite Albus to the wedding, but the fact that he stays alone in the street see something that nows it will never be able to live it's a very hurtful moment, and a very sad ending for him.
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screenmovie · 10 months
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Eddie Redmayne as Newt Scamander,
Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, directed by David Yates and written by Steve Kloves & J.K. Rowling (2022).
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grndelwalds · 2 years
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FANTASTIC BEASTS: THE SECRETS OF DUMBLEDORE Mads Mikkelsen as Gellert Grindelwald
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Remember the old interviews of Rowling saying that Gellert is like Albus’ ‘dark twin’, a morally bankrupt version, and the several times she’s mentioned that they saw in each other qualities that they shared with no one else? 
Now, think of the Qilin’s walk. Gellert can only be chosen by the dead/corrupt Qilin but he craves to be chosen by the real one. He believes in the righteousness of his cause and he always sees himself and Albus as equals. When the real Qilin chooses Albus he’s not even angry because he does not oppose that choice. He understands it. Yet he genuinely believes that he’s the best of the other candidates.
When the Qilin chose Santos, Gellert didn’t just snap because he lost the election. There was something very specific in the wording of Albus’ plea for a second choice: “Just as two of you were born that night, there’s another here, equally worthy.” Gellert always sees himself and Albus as binary stars and he cannot stand how the Qilin as an ‘impartial judge’ disrupts this idea because he feels that it’s one of the last threads that his connection to Albus is hanging from. 
Before that, when the alive Qilin is calling out to the dead one, Newt says: ‘She can’t hear you little one, not here, but perhaps somewhere she’s listening’. Considering how FB works a lot with metaphors, it breaks me to think how Albus too tries to make Gellert hear him, in the sense of seeing reason. There is something broken in twisted in Gellert too, so he can’t ‘hear’ Albus right then, but some part of him IS listening and that’s the very part that will come to the surface when he will ultimately surrender and show remorse. 
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whumpypepsigal · 2 years
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Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)
“Theseus has been taken to the Erkstag.”
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