#I won't be more specific than that (tbh most of the story isn't mine to tell) but there's a bunch of complex feelings there haha holy fuck
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1 Tbh I had forgotten abt that ask, lol. But I don't believe that Aegon is real in the books, bc of narrative reasons: if there's to be 3 contestants, and 2 of them know they have a claim, then the 3d must know too. But Jon knows nothing. So I don't put fAegon in the equation. There's far too much foreshadowing that Jon will be in KL, but not quite that he will be king of 6Ks. So he will reject the throne, and Bran comes in. But if J will have already abdicated from the North, it's repetition.
2 This is why I am not convinced that J will not be king. There's too much duty in his arc, and duty to love. What he does is driven by love. ADWD closes with Varys' search for the king who will do his duty to his people, and J fits the profile. The show didn't help either; they framed both Bran and Jon as kings in s1ep1. In the end, it's all abt them, the bastards and broken things. He won't be in the Watch, he'll be king, North or South, with Sansa as active queen.
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I'm sorry! I'm so bad at responding to asks in a timely manner!
I always say I accept the show ending (if I remain heartbroken Mr Martin can't break my heart again, right? RIGHT???), but it doesn't make sense to me, so I love speculation for a more internally consistent resolution. You're right about the bastard and broken things line indicating the connection between Bran and Jon, and Jon being there to help Bran's instruction in justice...that does seem significant. Now I'm curious about what specific interplay there is between their chapters. If they're the kings in the end, it has to be there.
This meta by drifitng-snowflakes talks about why the show basically left out all the good Stark parts of the ending, and I think it makes a very convincing case for what will happen. And, the one-two of these post which indicates that the endpoints are presented in AGOT (link) and this post which highlights what those might be for the Starks...well, that's pretty convincing too.
I did think Jon would be King in the South because the king stuff is associated with his parentage, but there is so much about leadership I thought those hints weren't solely about his parentage, that he would be endgame king. In hindsight, it makes sense that Martin wouldn't give the crown to the secret prince. I think the quote that confirmed king Bran even had it listed as a WTF moment, so it’s meant to be a surprise.
But, if Jon is to refuse the throne in the South, I think that would have the most impact if he wasn't already KitN, if he really was once again choosing to leave himself with nothing (because that's the pattern we begin in AGOT), and then QitN Sansa marries him, his story ends on receiving his long denied reward.
That’s the way a normal story would be go, but that ignores the tangle of claims in the North, and it feels like parentage reveal is meant to fuck everything up for Jon, rather than make it smooth. I mean, the drama of finding out the KitN is a Targ! I was very surprised they didn't go that route in the show, but considering how a Jonsa wedding is the way they would resolve that political mess, maybe that’s why they didn’t go there.
I worry that Martin's version of bittersweet is way more bitter than mine, that the show ending isn't as wrong as we hope, but damn it, do I hope!
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ohhh i have some good empires related songs (mostly wither rose alliance stuff as i have brainrot lol)
like a staring contest by the future kings of nowhere - you know that period right before the wither rose alliance breakup but after xornoth had started wreaking havoc? yeah. yeah. wra my beloveds.
lighthouse by the hush sound - most the last half that fits but god does it fit two well for me not to mention. wra alliance but gem in particular.
sunrise sunset by the bright eyes - honestly could be several ppl towards sausage
the real thing / the feeling by civilian - ignoring the romance stuff. wra vibes.
red roses by call me karizma - big sausage song.
maria by aliceband - speaking of sausage songs. very specifically current era sausage.
sleepwalk by forrest day - i feel like you might’ve already been recommended this one? but still, in case you haven’t, another good sausage song
fair by the amazing devil - lizzie and joel!! just them.
lion’s teeth by the mountain goats - it fits.. most of the server tbh
great vacation by the dirt poor robins - it fits for a few people but i personally really like it for fwhip!
i will TAKE wither rose alliance stuff because i am increasingly emotionally attached to the wither rose gang. i am SO emotionally attached to them. throw them at me!
so you are very right about like a staring contest. that being said that first verse was sung and PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE??? HOLY SHIT???????? then just. the chorus about how they're staring across at each other. waiting to attack each other. but no one wants to have to move first. no one wants to be the one who. MAN. MAN. MAN.
I've been going through the records
We're not getting any better
Maybe I've just gotten bitter
I don't really care, whatever
I'm so tired of open warfare
When the point of this was to be best of friends
i am sobbing????? i am. man. man. this is going on the playlist but also you broke me IMMEDIATELY? like i said. punched in the face immediately. i. hold on. give me a moment. give me a moment. i really like this song too which doesn't help with how much this one is hurting me. MAN.
okay. and now they repeat the first verse again at the end. this is fine. i can move on from this one but this one is already my favorite.
okay. so now. lighthouse. oh, hush sound does some beautiful music. i agree, i like this one as a gem song. there's this wistful vibe to the song. the actual story being told in the song, however, is... interesting. hm. i will be thinking about this for a while. i like it for gem but this may be a back pocket song, because a story about a ghost who gives a warning from the outside, and then two people going to the lighthouse and becoming ghosts themselves is... something i can probably find an even better place for eventually. this is a really good song though. i really need to listen to more hush sound, i know i like them already...
oh, i agree that sunrise, sunset is a sausage song for sure. also this song is also very rad? your music taste and mine are dovetailing REALLY nicely today, nice. i love the messy, chaotic vibes of this one as they sing about how you've changed, you've changed. like, look at the verse below. this is DEFINITELY a sausage song. i like this a lot. good vibes, good vibes. (or, well, the song itself isn't really good vibes, it's this sort of intense chaotic vibes, but they're. good sausage vibes. you know what i mean,)
But everything you do is leading to the point where you just won't know what to do
At that moment you may laugh but there is someone there who will be laughing louder than you
So it's true, the trick is complete, you become everything you said you never would be
You're a fool; you're a fool!
next up, the real thing / the feeling. i can see how, ignoring the romantic aspect, this is the wither rose alliance. they're trying to hear what they want from each other, it's gonna fall apart, but for now? they're going to force it to work. also i like the lyric "it's not the end of the world / but it's pretty damn close". like, that's not necessarily an analysis, that's just my fanfic brain going "oh that would make a good fic title one day".
oh red roses is. spooky. this one's real spooky. i can see how you threw this as a sausage song. honestly though this one is giving me REALLY STRONG last life vibes. i am throwing this onto my last life internal playlist. that's where this one is going. this song's really good too thank you for this suggestion.
OH HI ALICEBAND. YOUR MUSIC TASTE AND MINE REALLY ARE THE SAME HUH. SWEET. anyway you're right about maria, that's a good sausage song. (also it hits my "i like songs with religious undertones more than i should when i want heavy imagery" button.) this song is so... messy and decisive while also feeling so indecisive and. yeah. yeah. yeah. he bit the apple and he doesn't want to leave, but also he's drowning, but also he's powerful, but also he hates being where he is, but... love this for him. good choice.
i had not actually been recommended sleepwalk yet but it's a song i already know and already love. humming "then it becomes, it becomes, it becomes a problem". this one, i think, i am... saving. for other playlists. because i get weird about too many repeated songs. but also you are not wrong that this is a sausage song and i am pleased with it. good song.
aw, fair is. such a sweet song for lizzie and joel. like you i don't have much other to say other than this is. this is such a sweet song and makes me emotional. love. this is a song about love. yes. these lyrics are love.
...lion's teeth does indeed fit most of the server. i sort of like it as a general empires song. a song featuring the entire server. but also. the metaphor of this song is. pretty clear. so i don't have anyone to quite stick this heavy metaphor to yet, but i can see it as a general empires song indeed.
AHA. GREAT VACATION. did i. did i not already have this on my playlist? okay i already did. nice. anyway this is a whole server vibes song to me, right after the dragon fight, but it's a good fwip song too. i really like the vibes of it being a song about the end of the world, and the like... the lyrics almost mock the rulers for thinking they're better than anyone else. this is just. a really, REALLY good empires song. a REALLY GOOD CHOICE THANK YOU
#answered#playlist#you have my taste in music#this is a good thing#anyway still crying over like a staring contest
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