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#GRIMA PROPAGANDA
starlitcrows · 1 year
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please listen to “id (purpose) premium arrange” for context
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evostrashbin · 1 year
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FEH dropped CYL much earlier than expected so please take this until I can actually draw something
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roboraindrop · 4 months
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"In Gandalf's own words "Once it was a man, and it did you service in its fashion." Also through his "ownership" by Saurman he became much less than a man. It is straight stated that he hates Saurman for what he has done to him...but he can't leave him either. He is very much an abuse victim. By the end he is "wretched" and "crawling". He very clearly hates what he has become. To the point where he finally snaps and kills Saurman when Saurman takes away his last chance at salvation in Hobbiton."
This makes my fucking heart ache. I want to protect and comfort Grima so much... So many people are ready to judge him as cruel and twisted without seeing the torment in his eyes...
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myths-tournaments · 6 months
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Awful Characters Round 1 Part 4 (6/8)
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note: i dont know which character that is in the king lear image; it's the only good image i could find (but i also wasn't looking very hard bc there were a lot of images to gather and i was tired)
Propaganda under the cut!
EDMUND OF GLOUCESTER
guy who does several atrocities onstage AND he’s a disaster slut!!! also he’s trans. to ME
GRIMA WORMTONGUE
He's creepy AND wet. He's the platonic ideal of the treacherous advisor. He destroys an entire kingdom and causes the deaths of thousands for a chance to get in a girl's pants. He's a literal backstabber. Unreppantent skeeze.
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ailheim-art · 9 months
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Grima propaganda (based on Heroes dialogue)
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evilestgentleman · 10 months
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Round 1, Group 5
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Saruman Propaganda
He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!!! (He burned a forest, dammed a river, made a bunch of fucked up orcs, tried to kill favorite weed uncle: Gandalf, tried to bring the age of men to an end before it began, forsook his purpose on middle Earth, smacked grima wormtongue like a bitch [valid], used forbidden magic technology, and more) And he's played by Christopher Lee in the movie
Hubert Propaganda
A XeeCee Approved Evil Gentleman. 
Ty Propaganda
He is always polite and composed, even when the people he is torturing break down and throw things at him and try to strangle him! Will make you feel like you are talking to a professional when he calmly explains you need to cut off your arm for him please. Yes he is torturing your husband and yes he shot your husband in front of you but there really isn't any need to raise your voice now, is there? Plus he has that nice British accent, as the cherry on top. 
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Round 1 - Side B
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Propaganda below ⬇️
Libra
Libra practices Fire Emblem's patented "Fantasy Catholicism." He was abandoned at an orphanage by his parents as a child, they believed he was possessed by the fell dragon Grima(basically dragon Satan, desperate for them to stay, he clung to his mothers legs, weeping. In disgust she struck him, leaving a scar on the back of his neck. He grew up as a cleric, raised by fellow priests. During the events of the story, his clergymen are slaughtered, so he picks up an axe and avenues them, becoming a War Monk. Libra is beautiful and is often mistaken for a woman. He's kind and calm and sensitive. He does his best to be a good person. But inside he feels like he's only putting on a show. That he's the scum of the earth and is only pretending to be a good person. He wishes to remove the memories of his childhood. Post game, he and whatever wife he may have taken, build an orphanage and raise lonely children like he once was. He is courted by both men and women alike, and is widely believed to be the reincarnation of Naga(basically lady Dragon God)
He's haunted by his past and he can wield an axe, that's all one could ever ask for in a man
Marcy
Tumblr characterized her as more catholic than she is but she really is the peak catholic schoolgirl who is an overachiever to not let the Catholic Thoughts win
She goes to Our Lady Of Intermittent Sorrows catholic school and when she prays to Jesus he appears
She’s like maybe 10 years old with so much pressure to be the best at everything. She goes to a Catholic school. (I think. If it’s not specifically Catholic then sue me I guess.) She speaks six languages etc. etc. She finally decided to stop trying to live up to impossible expectations because she met Jesus and he told her he didn’t really care if she won or lost the bee.
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divine-swag-summit · 1 year
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can i give some grima propaganda since he made it into the higher bracket somehow. the game starts with grima getting amnesia so he just FORGOT that he's the fell dragon, breath of ruins and wings of despair, so now he's just some guy named robin. and he only finds this out again when meeting his dad (leader of grima's cult) and his time traveling self from the future. "what the fuck. what do you mean i'm grima." meanwhile everyone else is going "no you're not grima your future self is just possessed." but robin knows. robin knows he's grima. like it's all very dramatic in the game but it's also hilarious out of context. he just forgot that he's the god of ruin.
That's hilarious, thanks so much for sharing
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randomnameless · 2 years
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There is no villain route there was never a time in fire emblem where we sided with evil character including conquests the point was to save nohr and go against their father the only outright villainous characters in three houses is the agarthans even rhea and seteth can be friendly and aren’t pure evil and do some good though rhea does need to be removed from power three houses and hopes has reinforced this that rhea was doing wrong like propagating crest system propaganda suppressing tech That cost people their lives withholding information like land development advice for faerghus which always had problems with food and land but only when rhea is taken in does she give advice to the king dimitri and when she could have given the advice for sooner azure gleam has the worst outcome for fodlan rhea hasn’t learnt anything and I roll my eyes at rhea apologists who try to claim she did nothing wrong when she had the game acknowledges she has and shows it
You know, reading this makes me think of a six years old who learnt the poetry he is supposed to recite by heart, and delivers it without pausing, in one breath, talking really really fast.
But it's not because you talk really really fast that no one hears your mistakes or blunders!
There is no villain route there was never a time in fire emblem where we sided with evil character including conquests the point was to save nohr and go against their father
Yep, never before Tru Piss did we have a Fire Emblem game where we sided with a "Lord" who was also the red Emperor, who sided with Izuka and made use of his Feral Ones.
Never before in Fire Emblem we sided with a Lord who invades countries to make theirs great again, or disses on a race calling it incapable of having human feelings.
To be honest, this is why I first picked Tru Piss in FE16, I wanted to see what IS was going to do, and, well, I received the rat scene and "uwu drawing" instead.
I was pretty disappointed.
the only outright villainous characters in three houses is the agarthans even rhea and seteth can be friendly and aren’t pure evil and do some good
The Agarthan, just like the Grima Cult (i forgot its name for all i care about it) is a modern take on the Loptyr cult and even Duma's faithful, where everyone belonging to that group is bad/evil, and responsible for "a majority" of things going bad in their respective worlds.
It sucks, and I really miss the FE5 Loptyr goons who are just "I was only there for money" or "sorry I promise I'll become good now" randoms.
Are you sure Rhea and Seteth can be friendly though? I mean, in the game, they are in charge of a giant orphanage and charity institution, I'm not sure it can be called something good.
though rhea does need to be removed from power three houses and hopes has reinforced this that rhea was doing wrong like propagating crest system propaganda suppressing tech
Damn I forgot the /s
Nopes reinforces that Rhea helps Supreme Leader when Supreme Leader asks for her help and Supreme Leader in turn wants to terminate her because she still has pointy ears. And Clout? Wants to get rid of her because "yolo", being stupid enough to think Supreme Leader will stop her war if Rhea disappears, on top of forgetting that the main responsible for Fodlan thinking Almyra sucks is Almyra itself.
Rhea does not propagate crust system, you see no pizzas in Garreg Mach.
And the Highest Member of the Knights, who later becomes Captain, isn't Thunder Catherine with her Major Charon Crest, no, it's Alois the Crestless average Joe.
As for suppressing tech, this is related to the meme from above, Rhea doesn't remove it, she lets human discover it at an "acceptable pace". Now, she is the one deciding what is "acceptable" from what is not, and it has a lot of questions and interrogations I'd love to discuss with someone who is at least able to use comas and dots.
That cost people their lives withholding information like land development advice for faerghus which always had problems with food
Ah, the famous "Rhea made people starve" take, I thought it was dead and long burried, but Nopes resurrected it!
Maybe you come from a country that has an imperialist history, or some kind of "interventionism", but generally speaking, when you are dealing with States, you do not "impart" them your "knowledge and civilisation" if they don't ask for it.
Does Rhea know about the Galatea food issues?
"She must" well no, because, Faerghus is its own sovereign state, and as shown by Matthias after the Miklan debacle, some people just don't like to ask for help for fear of being trapped later on. Faerghus isn't Garreg Mach's satellite state, no. Also, if Rhea, the Church, suddenly started to help Faerghus gain more grain and food, how would Adrestia and Leicester react? They do not receive the same "help" and, say, if Faerghus suddenly doesn't need to import Adrestian wheat or Leicester fruits, wouldn't they lose economically speaking?
Billy actually reveals what was Rhea, and the devs's solution about this issue : Rhea/The Church won't come to impart civilisation on people, but if they ask for help or even visit Garreg Mach - which is open to everyone - they will be directed to books which might help them.
So there is no "withholding" information, but rather putting it in the continent biggest library, accessible everyday by everyone, provided they don't come to the Monastery to kill its leader of inhabitants.
but only when rhea is taken in does she give advice to the king dimitri and when she could have given the advice for sooner
And yet Ingrid, if she can talk to Billy and spend time in school, can read a book about those issues and learn how to solve them.
Has Dimitri even asked her about his agricultural issues earlier? Have earlier Faerghus Kings asked her how to maximise their harvest before? I don't think so.
For all reasons explained above, Rhea cannot give advice on something unless she's asked about it.
She's not here out to bring civilisation to Faerghus and its people, she did it once for Adrestia and look at how it ended.
azure gleam has the worst outcome for fodlan rhea hasn’t learnt anything
Well, I disagree, Rhea learnt that she has allies and can rely on them again, without placing all of her hopes for a better future on Billy's shoulders because worshipping the player's joystick is that important in FE16.
roll my eyes at rhea apologists who try to claim she did nothing wrong when she had the game acknowledges she has and shows it
In France we have a saying that someone must roll their tongues seven times in their mouths before speaking else they'll speak shit - sometimes I wonder if the same saying can be applied for "typing" on the internet, but maybe if you roll your eyes enough you'll finally learn basic grammar?
I don't really know who you are vaguing about, but in a serious discussion/conversation, some people acknowledge that Rhea did "some things wrong". Context is important though, something that some devoted people on this website, but on social networks in general, elude because it requires to think a bit and not to give a "gut reaction" to the first 3 words they read.
The game acknowledges it... but forgets to tell what it was that she did was so wrong, what other path she could have walked and ultimately, what she is acknowledging - bar not seeing Billy as their own character, but as... something akin to her worthless Mother.
Rhea's wrongdoings are, oddly, never the ones she's derided for in the fandom, so maybe Rhea apologists ignore that part of the game, but they're not the only ones, her detractors too, ignore that part of the game.
And ultimately, as everyone pointed out after Nopes, FE16 was a game meant to make the player feel good, no matter their choices. The plot warped itself around this concept, and another concept which is as important if not more important : the need to sell Hresvelg Tea.
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bosmermage · 2 years
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You know Robin must have earned a goddamn hell of a reputation during the first war phase in awakening.
seriously Ylisse was severely weakened, it had like a 10 man “army” and a severe anti war sentiment from the hellish war only maybe a decade or so earlier.
So imagine being Plegian. You know, this country that just waged a holy war against you so soon that most people alive and definitely all the people of military age have living memories of this gruesome crusade. And sure Gangrel is awful but you’ve been hearing all this news (propaganda but still the only news you have access to) about the Ylisseans war mongering at the border.
And it’s frightening but you know the Plegian army nursed it’s wounds, and you know that the Plegian soldiers vastly outnumber the Ylisseans. So you think even if there is another war, maybe you can win this time. Maybe you can win when they attack you, and it will be bloody, and people will loose family members, but maybe this time it will be enough and the cycle of war can finally come to an end with Plegia safe for good this time.
Now imagine how soul crushing it would have been to see this half ruined nation on the brink of collapse rise up like a phoenix on the back of tactician wearing your own nations colours, one you could easily mistake for an ally on the battlefield. Not even just your own nations colours but your own nations holy symbols. The eyes of Grima, protector of Plegia, staring down at you doing your best to defend your nation and finding you wanting. Choosing to side with the nation that betrayed him over his own people. admittedly that last part is more headcanon than canonical backing but just think about it. it must have been terrifying. at best he killed a holy person and stole their coat as a trophy. because it’s either that or he willingly defected. what other conclusions could a random plegian draw?
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The Sombron propaganda is crazy... wow, and I though he was boring
He's one of those villains that seems pretty boring at first impression (hell, we all thought he was going to be bootleg Grima pre-release), but the more you go on and the more you think about it the more it makes your skin crawl.
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starlitcrows · 2 years
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worship me. all hail my name.
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evostrashbin · 1 year
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this is literally what 90% of this blog is btw.
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shipcestuous · 1 year
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The Last Rinbearer isn't really a book I'm enthusiastic about... it's a deconstruction of The Lord Of The Rings were the very premise is that the events described in Tolkien's book are conservative pro-Elvish, pro-magic propaganda slandering the technologically advanced Mordor, a land of scientists and philosophers, and its enlightened ruler Sauron. Which could be an interesting story, if played well, but the book lacks internal consistency, makes many decisions that don't make much sense from the "this is what really happened, LOTR is propaganda" angle, takes cheap potshots at Tolkien's works and ideas that feel unnecessarily mean. That said...
There's this one moment with Eomer and Eowyn that I think is kind of... interesting. Now, these version of Eomer and Eowyn seem more like the author's own OCs than new versions of LOTR!Eomer and LOTR!Eowyn, so I'm not really sure how interesting the scene might be to people who ship them in Tolkien's novel. But, taken as its own thing, it really did make me raise an eyebrow and chuckle a little.
In The Last Ringbearer, Eomer is ambitious and greedy, having a bit of a struggle for power and control with Theoden and forcing him to send away his relatively decent and helpful "consultant" from Isengard, Grima. He's also quite a lech, rallying his men during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields by giving them a speech about dying heroically so they will get to feast in the afterlife while attended by beautiful and very eager girls wearing golder bracelets and nothing else. While everyone else cheers and starts fantasizing about those girls, only a young, unusually pretty rider blushes in embarrassment...
Naturally, that turns out to be Eowyn. Who doesn't get to kill the Witch-king of Angmar, with Tolkien's version being dismissed as Aragorn, here a dishonest thug with even bigger ambitions than Eomer, making up some ridiculuous tale to mock an enemy both stronger and more honorable than him. At least she gets to kill a regular human enemy, at least... anyway, Eowyn mostly chose to fight to help Aragorn, who's been cruelly stringing her along while telling her he couldn't marry her just yet because of the ongoing war. Far from Tolkien's cold and pessimistic but honorable and brave shieldmaiden, she acts more like a naive, lovestruck schoolgirl, to the point Eomer can see through Aragorn's act right away and is distrustful and hostile towards him but she doesn't suspect anything, making her brother despair for her.
Eventually, Aragorn takes advantage of Eowyn going to the Houses of Healing to take care of a battle wound to take her as an unwitting hostage and blackmail Eomer, who can't do anything to give in to his pressures to save her.
So, yeah... the little sister falls for the wrong guy, whom the protective older brother instinctively dislikes and wishes would leave her alone, until said wrong guy uses the older brother's love for her against him. A classic, right? But as I was saying, there's this one moment in particular, after Eowyn reveals her identity post-battle...
"“Éowyn!” was all Éomer could say. “What the hell!..”
The shield-maiden stuck her tongue out at him, tossed him the Haradi cape in passing – he was left standing, stunned, clutching his sister’s trophy – and stopped in front of Aragorn.
“Greetings, Ari!” she said calmly; Nienna only knew the price of that calmness. “Congratulations on the victory. As I see it, the wartime excuses are now void. So if you don’t need me any more, say so now and, by the stars of Varda, I will immediately stop bothering you!”
“How can you say that, my Amazon!” and there she was in his saddle, looking at him with shining eyes, prattling nonsense, and then kissing him in front of everybody – the girls of Rohan are not big on southern ceremony, and a heroine of Pelennor could not care less…
All Éomer could do was look at this idyllic picture and get more upset by the minute, thinking: “Fool! Open your eyes and look at his face, it’s all written plainly there – what he is to you and what you are to him! Why, why do the idiot girls always fall for scoundrels – this one isn’t even handsome…” not that he was the first or the last such in that World, or any other…
He said none of that aloud, of course, only asked: “Show me your arm.” Only when Éowyn protested that she was adult enough to handle it and that it wasn’t even a scratch did he let out some of his frustration by yelling loudly and profanely enough to curl ears, describing to the heroine of Pelennor, in graphic detail, what he was going to do to her if she didn’t report to the medics by the count of three. Éowyn laughed and saluted: “Yes, my general!” and only the unusual care with which she mounted his horse told him that much more than a scratch was involved here. But the girl had already leaned on her brother’s shoulder: “Éom, dear, please don’t sulk, spank me if you want, just don’t tell Auntie, please?” and rubbed her nose on his cheek, just like in their childhood… Aragorn was watching them with a smile, and Éomer shuddered when he caught his look: it was the look in the eye of an archer right before he lets fly."
To recap: this happens AFTER Eowyn's already heard Eomer's very explicitly sexual speech and blushed at it. She's old enough that her marrying Aragorn wouldn't be weird except for his obvious disinterest in her as a person, yet here she is, acting all bratty and then letting Eomer yell at her about spanking her "in graphic detail" as punishment for endangering herself and getting hurt, even laughing about it, calling him by sweet little pet names, cuddling him and casually telling him she'll let him do it and won't mind it as long as he doesn't tell Theoden's wife... who shouldn't actually still be alive at his point, but alright...
All of this, after coming on to and making out with Aragorn, who Eomer hates and knows has no good intentions or true feelings for her, right in front of her brother... whose frustratiton and threats do seem to be the result of the whole of Eowyn's behavior, with her stubborn refusal to see a healer being only the straw the broke the camel's back. And all while Aragorn looks on creepily, giving Eomer all the more reason to feel protective towards Eowyn and wary of the man she's crushing on.... who's not even THAT handsome, at least in his totally unbiased opinion.
I swear, when I got to this point, I literally stopped reading and thought, "Uh, if this turned into some kind of incestuous, BDSM-flavored sexy parody all of a sudden, with Eomer losing his patience with Eowyn and spanking her for real only to find her just as giggly, affectionate, and blushy as she's been up until now, and realizing then and there that he doesn't need any heavenly virgin and he has a perfect way to make his sister forget all about Aragorn the Creep for her own good right at hand, I think I would start actually enjoying this. Wonder if there's any fic like that out there..."
Sorry for the long ask, but you see where I'm coming from, right? TLR!Eomer and Eowyn are nothing like LOTR!Eomer and Eowyn, and imo are also much worse characters, but at least, they're good shipping fodder. And I did get a good laugh out of their unintentional kinkiness!
I've never heard of this book. The premise sounds like it has a lot of potential but I'm definitely not interested in something that's going to make digs at the original work! But incest shipping has taken me many strange places before.
I really enjoyed reading your description of Eowyn and Eomer in The Last Ringbearer. That scene where she tells him to spank her is hilarious. I would definitely have to see them as new characters but they seem pretty shippable, in spite of everything. I would very much like to see Eomer making Eowyn forget all about Aragorn.
Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up and share this with us. Thoroughly appreciated and enjoyed.
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wormedeye · 2 years
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I'd love to hear more about your OC/Grima fic!🥺
Thank you so much for the question!
I don’t want to disappoint, but It’s actually pretty much like more of oc/Grima fics,,, I kinda feel that it’s unnecessary to talk about this fic,,,,
But anyway. Beorthread is working in some kind of censorship authority. She have to check all books and newspapers, but since literature isn’t very widespread in Rohan, to say the least, she don’t actually have any job :D
But! She’s the only one who works in that authority. And that authority is controlled by Grima himself. He gradually changes censorship to propaganda, so Beorthread writes speeches that say things like ‘Saruman the White has forever been our friend and ally’. Actually it means that Beorthread knows about Grima’s betrayal, and she has to keep that state secret.
State apparatus in this fic is very poorly thought out, but, honestly, I don’t care about plausibility and canon at all. I just want to write something about love and trust🥺
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tsukai22 · 1 year
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More CYL Soleil propaganda:
https://twitter.com/Tsukai22/status/1611933108043149314
I’m getting more confident with this. I might not have to go hide in a corner next time...
To add onto the Tweet, here's the list of characters with multiple alts that Soleil has more lifetime votes than (only characters who have been eligible for all 6 events listed for fairness's sake): Myrrh, Catria, Ishtar, Olivia, Lyon, Grima (unusual case though), Delthea, Minerva, Lissa, Kagero, Fae, L'Arachel, Tana, Sophia, Julia, Palla, Nailah, Mareeta, Ursula, Innes, Cecilia, Est, Nanna. There’s also technically Camus but he’s a weird case, since he has 3 base forms with different names (Soleil has more votes than Camus/Sirius/Zeke combined).
Kagero is especially notable since she's from the same game. Or set of games at least.
EDIT: I ran out of confidence and deleted the tweet (in case it went across badly). Back to square one with my anxiety then...
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