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darkcircles4lyfe · 2 years

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the 2nd user is an enigma to everyone...

...including All for One?

It would seem our time spent wondering about 2nd's quirk has come to an end. I guess I should put my old theory to rest? Well, hang on. I noticed something weird.

Please note that as of posting this official translations are not out, so I might easily be mistaken, but I'm under the impression that All for One did not know about 2nd's quirk. There are a few things that set up this implied detail:

It is established at the start of the chapter that AFO is the one in control, at least for the moment. So we know we're getting his POV in narration.

When Izuku uses Blackwhip and Fa Jin, AFO calls them old tricks that won't work on him. He's familiar with these quirks.

When Izuku activates Transmission, AFO is taken aback. He describes the power's appearance as completely different from before, and he doesn't seem to know what's happening right away.

When he describes what the quirk does, he's deducing it, which is odd. From this we can actually infer a couple of things besides him not knowing about it. First of all this must mean that the Search quirk AFO stole from Ragdoll can't see into One for All's additional accumulated quirks, otherwise he would have anticipated 2nd. This also means, dare I say it, that AFO is an unreliable narrator when he describes 2nd's quirk as "a meta ability that enables the user to shift the speed of anything he touches." He's making an observation using the given evidence, not stating a fact. 2nd strikes me as a very secretive person, so it seems possible to me that AFO never met him, or at least never experienced his quirk firsthand. Indeed, maybe no information exists about his quirk because he never told anyone about it. I can see how 2nd’s support items could be designed to conceal the use of his quirk to make projectile weapons move faster. They conceal his whole hand and forearm, so no one could see what he’s doing inside.

Hell, maybe the way Izuku is currently using Transmission is also a misdirection. Let me once again call attention to the fact that 2nd told Izuku that his quirk evolved into something PARTICULARLY UNIQUE. THAT CANNOT BE WIELDED THE USUAL WAY. Now I don't know about you, but the power we have been shown does not fit my criteria of unique, and Izuku seems like he wielded it pretty "usually." The previous scene made it seem like he tried and FAILED to use it before, so how come it came to him so easily only minutes later? I really really hope this is because we haven't seen the full reveal yet. Perhaps using this power now comes at some greater cost to the user. Perhaps we are only seeing one of its uses. It should be pointed out here that while the locked door imagery was used in reference to 2nd's quirk in ch 349, it was not used here. So, something hasn't been unlocked yet?

I think now I’ve reached the end of my rope in reasonable theorizing, but I want to mention one more thing. The name of 2nd’s quirk, Transmission. in Japanese it is called トランスミッション which looks to me like it’s borrowed directly from English, and it means exactly the same thing. Two things, actually. It can refer to the transmission of a motor vehicle, but more generally, transmission can of course refer to the action of transmitting something, anything. A message, an emotion, an energy, a thing, an idea...a quirk? I can’t get it out of my head. This feels so suspicious to me given the nature and origin of One for All itself as a power that is transferred. What if 2nd is actually directly responsible for the transference of OFA? What if his own quirk holds that ability, and once he gave it to Yoichi, it merged with the power stockpiling quirk AFO gave him? The story we were given about Yoichi not actually being quirkless and unknowingly having a power that passes on... the ability to be passed on(???)--it’s rather flimsy, no? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. We don’t even know how Yoichi was able to figure out he could give OFA away. Makes me think, if it’s not simply bad writing on Horikoshi’s part, it could be a lie constructed to further keep Transmission a secret. I mean, seriously, what if Transmission created One for All? Of course they’d want to keep that information from AFO.

So Transmission + power stockpiling quirk = OFA, which in itself also gathers and powers up existing quirks, including the original Transmission quirk. Now imagine, what could Transmission do now that it’s powered up? What could it turn around do to OFA?

Oh yeah, also, uhhh, this could be super relevant to Izuku and Katsuki finally holding hands?

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helga-grinduil · 2 years

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also, the fact that afo got so fucking angry at being reminded of the 2nd holder.............. i can smell drama

#my prediction is that afo is super not over his brother's death #i have this theory that he killed him unintentionally because he expected him to be able to withstand his hit due to ofa #but instead it killed him #and that afo hates the 2nd holder bc in his delusions he blames him for yoichi's death instead of himself #like #'if he hadn't given you that ability he would still be alive!' and 'it was HIS quirk! it doesn't belong to YOU!' type of thing y'know?#bnha #bnha spoilers #bnha 362 #afo #2nd ofa user

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hiikacchan · 2 years

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the bakugo "2nd ofa user" theory

so since the chapter 362 has been released, i watched a bunch of ytb videos reacting to it and making theories, i discovered the "bakugo 2nd ofa user" theory! lemme explain it to y'all;

i don't know if this theory could be canon bc there's a lot of coherences and inconsistencies, lol

but i think that this theory is very intresting, that's why i'm sharing it

there's a lot of things that are unknown about the 2nd ofa user. his quirk, how he died, his identity, his job when he was alive, etc... but we see him coaching izuku frequently :0 in the my hero wiki it says that at the start he wasn't agreeing about izuku having ofa, but yoichi convinced him.

in addition of the mystery about his identity, he kind of... look like bakugo according to me (spiky hair, red eyes, he his using a gauntlet just like bkg does, etc)

he's really handsome tho 🗿👍

anyways so here's what we know about him. now, what we saw about bakugo...

if you saw the "heroes rising" movie, katsuki used ofa, before giving it back to izuku for some reasons. because of that, is his consciousness somehow a part of the ofa since he used it?

plus, how, i mean HOW did bakugo see in the white space (chapter 362) the same ghost/spirit of all might that is present in izuku's ofa dreams? is it bc he did had ofa?

(all might's spirit in yellow)

also in the back we see 2nd user's spirit (behind all might's spirit)

why did hori hide him in the beginning if he was about to interact with izuku later? like?

i was saying that there's some inconsistencies, here's why:

if bakugo is really the 2nd user, that would mean that he did a time travel, but yknow, the manga is in its final arc, and i think that adding time travel to this story would be too much if u see what i mean

so that would make more sense if bakugo is only blood-related to the 2nd user or his reincarnation.

the more i'm writing this, the more i get confused and tell myself "wait no that make no sense" 😭

have i explained it well? plz tell me your thoughts!

also thx for the likes & reblogs on my previous threads! i'd never thought that some ppl would pay attention to my blog lol

#bakugo #bnha #kacchan #katsuki bakugo #mha #boku no hero academia #deku #izuku midoriya #katsuki #ofa #one for all #quirks #mha quirks #theory #ofa 2nd user #afo #all for one #mha tomura #shigaraki tomura

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epickiya722 · 1 year

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Did Hand Holding Start it All?

I have a theory (?)... just a thought I had when watching the episode. And this post probably won't make any sense at all! I'm just rambling here!

ONWARD!!!

What if this is when OFA got transferred from Yoichi to the 2nd?

Wait! I know what you're thinking, but just follow along with me here.

I know that in order for OFA to be transferred, it has to be through DNA. Eat a hair, exchange blood. But listen! What if that wasn't always the case?

Here's the thing, the first couple of Users didn't know about how OFA was exchanged, did they? So they wouldn't know OFA could be exchanged through DNA.

And we know you can't just consume the DNA of the User unless it's willing between both the predecessor and the successor.

And we also know that that OFA grew stronger over time as it passed on.

Okay, well consider this!

OFA was just a transferable quirk when it started with Yoichi, it was a weak quirk. It was "useless" unless another party got involved. So what if because it was weak, it really just needed a simple touch be passed on? OFA itself didn't possess any of the Users so there was no willpower for it be avoid being passed to anyone. It wasn't developed. It wasn't a holding place for the vestiges. DNA wasn't necessary until it got stronger to the point that a simple touch like holding hands became extremely dangerous so exchanging DNA became also a shield to prevent it falling into the wrong hands.

Not only that, what if this is where the mutual agreement thing started?

Yoichi may be a kind mind, but he isn't stupid nor naive. He could tell the 2nd wanted to kill him when he burst through the door like that, but he still accepted his hand, right? Because he trusted him. Think about it. If he thought the 2nd was tricking him in order to kill him, he wouldn't have accepted his hand. Why?

Because what's the point of coming through the door like that with the intent to kill and wait later when he had the chance right there? Yoichi was defenseless, he was sickly. Why would the 2nd wait to kill him?

Think back to the scene when Ippan Josei (big fox lady) was getting attacked. They thought that even though she was pleading for them to stop, she would attacked them once they dropped their guard.

It's like that!

In this case, the trust worked! Yoichi managed to escape AFO because he trusted the 2nd. He was willing to go with him. He felt safe. Therefore, OFA was safe enough to transfer to the 2nd.

Also, consider this!

Symbolism!

Why hold hands? Why would that be the time OFA got exchanged?

You know who is the creator of this story, right? Horikoshi Kohei and we know how he is with hands.

Hands are a big deal in BNHA.

Shigaraki and his family's hands.

Midoriya’s hands and Iida with his hand injury.

The hand crusher joke.

Hand holding happens quite often.

A lot of quirk users use their hands and one of them is Katsuki Bakugou.

Why am I bringing up him?

What is one of the most important hand holding scenes in this story?

THIS!!

Ah, yes, the river scene!

Wonder why I'm bringing this up still?

Well, for one, it's one of the most impacting events in Bakugou and Midoriya’s relationship. We all know that day Bakugou rejected Midoriya’s hand because he felt some kind of way and regrets it later.

What if Yoichi didn't trust the 2nd that day?

OFA never would have gotten transferred and Yoichi probably would have died sooner. And AFO would have won much more earlier.

What if the river scene also was a hint to that? What if the river scene was a clue that shows how OFA got started because instead of feeling like they didn't need or wanted help, they accepted it from the person they trusted?

Also, check out the characteristics.

Midoriya and Yoichi were both considered weak individuals, they're the start and end of OFA, and they have green eyes. They're kind and compassionate. There's also looking at two certain spiky haired individuals as their heroes.

Bakugou and the 2nd are leaders/being followed by others, use tools for their fast working quirks, spiky haired and red eyed. They're also brash, wanting to get things done even if it means using violence. Defied AFO and got killed by him. Had a change of heart when it came to certain green eyed individuals.

Their hand holding scenes are reversed!

Midoriya and the 2nd reached out to Bakugou and Yoichi. However, one rejected help and later regretted while the other who accepted is satisfied with his decision.

What if this whole time that's what Horikoshi wanted us to see?

That yeah, Midoriya and Bakugou's relationship is very important to the story. But so important that it gave us a hint the whole time as to how OFA got transferred in the first place?

What if that is how OFA went from Yoichi to the 2nd?

A simple hand hold?

#just kiya's thoughts #bnha #mha #boku no hero academia #my hero academia #bnha spoilers #bnha manga spoilers #midoriya izuku #bakugou katsuki #shigaraki yoichi #2nd ofa holder #2nd ofa user #ichinii #bakudeku #bkdk

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stealthsuitdeku · 7 months

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I kinda wanted to share a few thoughts on why I think All for One possibly was a university professor, mostly because it’s a seemgly small thing but I think it adds interesting layers to him and possibly give us an idea on how his rise to power might have been so… here we go ^^’

1- The place where his last battle with the 2nd OFA user took place

Now, this was the detail about him that first set off this whole speculation train of though: as it was pointed out by @nakamafor on twitter isn’t any random place but rather the University of Tokyo.

Despite most of it being destroyed we can still make out that the walls of the Takeda Auditorium behind them, and the buildings around are also set in the same layout as the University of Tokyo

(kinda like they also noticed that the place being bombed for having people who oppose AFO also seems to be a irl place)

Now it seems that a lot of detail was included to this brief panel, true, but is it enough to conclude that AFO has any connection to this place? Was it just a coincidence that the battle took place in here?

2- Sensei

One of the most defining things about AFO that we know of is that he plays a role of a mentor, an autority, a Teacher. This was ever since his introduction, before we even knew about his connection to the noumus or to One for All

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Also it is not unsual for him to go on long spiels and infodumping, it’s the role he seems most confortable with

3 - Ujiko

Ujiko’s backstory and the key event that brought him and AFO together was the article he released about the Quirk Doomsday theory, where he was the one to first speculate about the possibility that, as quirk evolves, they could reach a sincularity where there would be no way for control them or wield them in any way

Notably amoung his circle of academics he was widely rejected and the theory was met with disdain with everyone other than AFO. This was Ujiko’s side but what about AFO?

If anything this fact seems to demonstrate that AFO is acquainted with academic circles, and he paid close attention to studies regarding quirks. So it wouldn’t be a surprise if he belonged to theses spaces as a member, possibly as a professor.

4 - Boku

Now, we know that throughout the manga AFO and Izuku share many similarities and have many parallels.

Most notable is their affinity with quirks and using them by creating a combination

One of those similarities is that they both, in the japanese version use “boku” to refer to themselves in the first person. Which mean that “my hero academia” could apply to both of them, this story could be the one of the rise of the OFA user or the story of the greatest viilain, All for one.

In a way, this specific parallel is a mean to tie the plot, both how things started and how they will end. In one academy, rose of the Greatest villain, from another academy (UA) the greatest Hero of All time will rise along the people he saved and inspired, in order to defeat this Villain.

#bnha #bnha theory #bnha spoilers #one for all #all for one #izuku midoriya #I was trying to organize my thoughts for a while so sorry for the delay ^^'#this theory isn't mine it was built over through various twitter contributions #but I wanted to share some of it with other fans #mha #mha theory #ofa #afo

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ikimaru · 2 years

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Thoughts on the latest MHA chapter leaks (chapter 362)

(spoilers below the image)

I’m gonna wait for the full chapter for more context but as things stand rn I’d say this might actually be the end of the line unless there’s some crazy twist, still I’m gonna be actually surprised if it’s permanent, but the framing and panels leading up to it make me think that it is ;(

also the theory where Bakugo in some way related to the second user since AFO got that vibe from him, he may have unlocked and used that quirk in that moment (assuming he had a quirk similar to his own, and it was passed down) and when the 2nd user told Izuku that was a “last resort” type of quirk, it makes me think it’s a very destructive type of quirk (and possibly self destructive to an extent but idk)

STILL either way I don’t think we’ve seen the last of him and if the second movie is even a little canon and Bakugo had OFA for a while, that might grant him access to the vestige world (hence why he’s seeing All Might) so we miight see him fight alongside Deku in the final battle from there, however that would even work, anyway that’s my theory!

(also have to say I haven’t been as into mha since the first war arc ended but still damm, didn’t expect that)

#Sunnyasks #bnha spoilers

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bicheetopuff · 1 year

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Might be a stretch but I think we’ve seen Transmission (the 2nd users quirk) before… being used by accident in order to save Eri. Either I’m delusional or hori has proved yet again that he’s a sneaky little shit.

He’s genuinely confused and is just kind of… guessing what just happened. There wasn’t an explanation and it was just never brought up again. If you look at this whole fight, there’s multiple times where it seems like it could’ve been used (especially in the anime but I don’t think that’s a fair statement considering how much extra there is in this fight in the anime) as well and Eri being there meant that his 5 minute timer was just being restarted so he didn’t experience the blow back.

If you remember, we never saw the seconds quirk get “unlocked” like Black Whip and Float did. Meaning, he’s been able to use it, he just hadn’t cuz he had no clue that OFA had multiple quirks within it and once he learned that it did he continued not to cuz the second user warned him about it.

It also explains nighteye not understanding how his foresight was changed… because it was really OFA just working on its own and Deku using that to his advantage... this was just the beginning of that trend.

Another thing I thought of when it was explained that OFA can work at a cellular level…

I already kinda thought about this and I’m sure others have too but—like the doctor said—his quirk saved his bones from breaking meaning that OFA quite literally has a mind of its own. Whether it’s OFAs desperation for self perseveration until AFO is defeated or OFA actually caring and protecting Deku… I’m really not sure. Every vestige has different ideals and morals, some we don’t even know so it’s just hard to tell. And there’s even characters in story that have concerns about OFAs genuineness.

I don’t have any theories that to go with this, I’m just saying that I think we’ve unknowingly seen transmission before because it was OFA working on its own kinda like blackwhip did. He was focused on a task and his quirk sought out to complete it even when no one knew what was actually happening.

(just like when Katsuki unlocked Cluster. He’s the only other person that’s quirk was worked like OFA in a sense that it got an unpracticed power up. Just like Deku, he had no idea how Cluster happened. It just… did. But we saw where that power up got him… Do I think he has OFA? As of rn, no. I think he’s become apart of it through connection to Deku and since OFA just does shit on its own sometimes I think it’s safe to say the quirk just kinda sucked him in once he died to protect him and ensure his revival since it’s some kind of all-knowing entity. Again, whether it be for self preservation or actual protection, I’m not sure… but that’s for a different post)

(I started to write this back in October but just… never posted it? So I’m just getting it out of drafts LMAO)

#bnha #bakudeku #bkdk #midoriya izuku #boku no hero academia #bnha meta #mini meta #I’m basically just pointing something out that I saw #and I’m mainly posting this cuz I feel like I haven’t posted much #one for all #I don’t trust it #but also think it’s super cool at the same time #this post got really off track from its original concept lmao #oops #bakugou katsuki

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firyfox · 2 years

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Bro I just read the latest theory from pikahlua about how the 2nd user's quirk may be a "do over" ability , sending the user back in time to a certain point to re-do something

And now I'm thinking that since we all feel like Bakugo is gonna be the trigger for the quirk , he might actually die for a minute , and then Deku freaks out and ends up unlocking the 2nd's quirk to save him 👀👀👀

#just imagine dk sobbing while holding bk until he draws his final breath & then dk accidentally activates the quirk w a crying scream #and then he's back at the moment before the fight took a turn for the worse (and before bk took a killing blow for him)#bakudeku #bkdk #dechan #izuku midoriya #katsuki bakugo #katsudeku #ktdk #midoriya izuku #bakugo katuski #original post

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bitchlessbkg · 2 years

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wait from pikahula’s theory about 2nds quirk being switch and AFO not being able to catch/kill the second user because he doesn’t know where he is, it’s probably why he was dead set on killing bakugou so that he wouldn’t return back into his body in order to face him. he tried to stop the second’s quirk from going into effect, but bakugou and allmight already switched before the fatal blow. bakugou knew he was going to die, and knew he might not be able to come back. he bet on this quirk and gave his life for the victory (contrasting the second user who says victory=life and losing=death). it’s all so fucking tragic and bittersweet omg

AFO himself thinks that bakugou’s death means victory for him both because of deku’s rage that he can use to get OFA AND because he thinks he killed second user for the second time, securing his victory because the death of second user got him this far, but this isn’t going to be the same. bakugou’s death will be the key to AFO losing instead, and i can’t wait for bakugou to show back up and make him quake in his boots once again.

he can’t play to deku’s rage because bakugou is gonna help him control his heart, and he can’t bank of bakugou’s death because bakugou will still be there, and he’ll still prevail for that victory (also if we get second user and shigaraki parallels soon that would be awesome, it’s like second saving yochi again from AFO, only this time it’s bakugou saving shigaraki from AFO)

#katsuki bakugou #bakugou katsuki #bnha manga spoilers #second ofa holder #bnha afo #bakudeku #dekubaku #bkdk #dkbk #bnha shigaraki #shigaraki tomura #tomura shiragaki #kacchan

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dekusleftsock · 2 years

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I think no matter what, the 2nd users quirk is going to be interesting, however I DO wonder if it’ll have anything to do with explosions or fire.

I mean, the first and second user parallel bkdk REALLY well, and ofc the first has/had ofa like deku (and has the same personality and stuff as him) and the second has the same personality and general look as Katsuki.

The most common and logical theory for his quirk that I’ve seen is that it’s a time quirk (like eri’s) and that’s why it’s both dangerous and why she was in the flashback with endeavor vs afo, but I think it’d be interesting to see it more parallel Katsuki. It would hint more into them being reincarnations of bkdk, or be related to them at the very least.

I mean, if horikoshi wanted to use the dad for one theory and make afo related to him in some way (father or grandfather) it would fit his parallel with shigaraki, and it might even make sense for Katsuki to be related to the second user?

Idk spit balling, but sometimes I look at the evidence for the dad for one theory and it really makes me think that it really can’t be a coincidence. It’s an interesting theory for sure, but it’s just so…. idk, basic ig????? Like I feel like horikoshi can be more creative than that, but at the same time, why tf has he been building up to a father THAT HASNT EVEN BEEN SHOWN YET, and it hasn’t even happened! It’s the war already too. Like if it was gonna be insignificant it would’ve happened already. And inko said she was STILL MARRIED TO HIM in the first chapter but he worked over seas so???????

Like, literally, who in the fucking world could it be other than afo or just some random guy. Ig it’d be pretty funny if Izuku was ACTUALLY all mights secret love child and that thingy with todoroki was actually foreshadowing but like, who could this mf possibly be??? Hisashi midoriya, who tf are you?????

Also the fact that his name literally means “it’s been a while (since I last saw you)” is just such a weird term to use yknow????? It could’ve been something along the lines of JUST being gone, but it’s “since I last saw you” for the whole phrase. Meaning we probably already saw and know him?????

Also why tf does dekus appearance only resemble his mom minus the freckles and hair texture?????? Like who tf has freckles and curly hair in this story that’s about dad age??????

I mean, I guess you could say his hair is kinda curly. Ish.

This has devolved from me wondering about second’s quirk to just why I hate how much sense the dad for one theory makes. Ugh.

Anyway, I guess I do hope this ends up being the canon thing since it’s kinda ironic and it’s the only reveal that would actually leave an impact. Not just painting hisashi midoriya as “some guy” at the end of the war and leaving it at that.

Also it would make sense genetically. Lets say afo just made up a genetic history for inko and told her about it when I’m actuality he’s a first gen quirk user, making Izuku highly likely of having no quirk or even just having like a 50% chance or something. But we haven’t really been told much about quirk genetic theory so 🤷

It would also explain why Izuku can use all of the ofa quirks but AM couldn’t. Like there’s just so much evidence RIGHT THERE and I don’t wanna accept it lmao.

Okay, rant over lol.

#bkdk #mha deku #midoriya izuku #bnha afo #ofa users #first ofa holder #one for all #BNHA #mha #mha analysis #dad for one #theory #mha theory

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super-paper · 8 months

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With the orphan Toshi theory confirmed, what other theories do we have left that haven't been explicitly confirmed or denied? The only one I can think of is quirkless Tenko.

Hmm, I'm not super up to date on what theories are popular, but off the top of my head:

Like you said, Tenko being born quirkless and decay being a plant is the big one (This one's 50-50 and my enjoyment of the series won't be affected either way if it turns out Decay really was a mutation that Tomura was born with, but I'm also a glutton for Tomura/Izuku/Toshi/Yoichi parallels so)

The second user is a distant relative of Bakugo (pretty likely! The 2nd and 3rd users are the only ones who haven't been named yet, I wouldn't be surprised if Hori ends up revealing they're related to the modern cast in some capacity.)

AFO's given name is Tomura (probably not, but wild if tru)

AFO doesn't actually have a true name (afo being born in a time where ppl with quirks were treated as subhuman + yoichi's name having the kanji for "one" in it despite him being the second born son.... sure has some implications! :) tell me ur secrets, ha ha <3)

And other stuff that's been implied but never outright confirmed by the actual text (AFO apparently kept Nana's body shoved in a fridge somewhere, Izuku's childhood doctor was Ujiko, Ujiko killed his own grandson for his Nomu research, Overhaul grew up in one of Ujiko's quirk farms orphanages and it fucked him up, quirks originated from mice, et cetera et cetera et cetera)

I don't think Hori is gonna tie up every loose end and answer every question, but I do hope we get a more answers about Tomura/Nana/AFO's past before the series ends at least.

#sophie.txt #thank u for the ask!

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darkcircles4lyfe · 6 months

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Life after NDE

Before reading, please see this post. It’s where I first explored the possibility that what we think we know about One for All is unreliable. It also ends with my own guesses about how Katsuki plays into it all. Now, with chapter 404, I can continue where it left off.

There are a lot of different tangents floating around here that I need to bring together for you, so let’s start with what came to light in this newest chapter. There’s a clear emphasis on Toshinori’s vestige form:

but did you catch the slight of hand?

How about now?

As soon as I saw the panels where Shigaraki talks about how the vestige is taking full form, I was practically shouting “OBJECTION” Ace Attorney-style, because they were a complete contradiction to how we were made to understand vestiges in chapter 304 (oh hey look, exactly 100 chapters ago!). Back then, it was suggested to us that Toshinori was special because of his quirklessness, that it allowed him to imprint upon OFA in a way that none of the other previous users could. In contrast, Shigaraki makes it seem like Toshi is no different from the rest. Like oh yeah, this is just how it works, they aren’t fully formed until they die, right? Hello?? No? I thought we were assuming the vestiges didn't have to do with actual souls, apart from Toshi? Given Shigaraki’s own brand of unreliability in his immature frame of mind, I found myself wondering: is he making an assumption, or is he letting slip a secret bit of information about OFA? Idk man, OFA wasn’t even doing this whole vestige thing until like a few months ago, so.

Either way, we can observe the change. As Toshinori’s lifeforce fades, he appears in OFA. I’m left with the simple observation that if he were truly different from the other vestiges because of his quirklessness, it would not have happened this way, since OFA doesn’t have Toshi’s own unique quirk factor to work with, but rather the other way around. You would have expected his vestige to stay the same, or possibly disappear altogether, since it was ostensibly exclusively based on the influence of a living consciousness.

That exception to the rule described in 304 never sat right with me anyway, and I’m not convinced that OFA contains mere memories of its previous users via their quirks just like AFO does. Sure, it’s nice and edgy to imagine that OFA/AFO are more similar than they are different, deep down. But poetic opposites are more interesting to me: AFO isolates by taking, while OFA connects by giving. Previous OFA users give themselves to their successors. One for All was “truly born” not when All for One tossed Yoichi a stolen consolation, but when 2nd extended his hand. There is something distinctly emotional and personal about that. Nana was right—it is kinda romantic.

Because Toshinori kept living, because Izuku has meaningful relationships, that chain of giving linked down through OFA was finally brought to light, like a circuit that’s being closed. At least, that’s how I see it. That’s pretty much what I talked about in my previous post.

Back then I also suggested that this theory of personal connection in some way explains Katsuki apparently having a vestige. Since chapter 403, where Toshinori describes his legacy as being embodied in both Izuku AND Katsuki, I was reminded of how Toshinori was gradually shown this over the course of the manga, as he came to understand Katsuki and his relationship to Izuku, how they are inseparable.

When Toshinori was inspired to pass OFA on to Izuku as he witnessed him trying to save Katsuki, he had no idea the two boys even knew each other. What he saw as a random act of selflessness was in reality a desperate manifestation of a connection that extended beyond memory, of osananajimi. With the eyes of traditional heroism, one could choose to see this as Toshinori’s fatal mistake, that he accidentally chose a successor with a “weakness” of personal attachment, but we all know that heroic isolation isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. No, I think Toshinori made precisely the right choice.

This is going to seem like it’s coming out of nowhere, but bear with me: you know how we still haven’t been told how the first OFA transfer happened? I feel almost silly admitting this, but I think it absolutely had to have been done instinctually, because it’s just too damn specific. As in, they didn’t know what they were doing or what it would accomplish, but they did it anyway. As in. They moved. Without thinking.

Toshinori didn’t fully consciously understand what he was seeing when Izuku ran to Katsuki, but deep within OFA, perhaps he recognized something familiar.

What if, somehow, without knowing it, Toshinori gave One for All to two people? His conviction and intent to give it was inspired by Izuku’s connection to Katuski. Yes, the transfer is inherently physical, but it also relies on mental assertion. Plus, how we think the transfer works may also be an assumption (again, the first time it happened was probably on instinct). Let me break it down even more: Toshi probably thought, as he passed OFA on, “I’m giving it to a successor who has my same balance of heroism—save to win, win to save.” But, in reality, Izuku relies on Katsuki for that balance, as his image of victory. Therefore I think I can argue that their relationship is irrevocably bound within the pact of the OFA transfer. Maybe because Katsuki’s part of OFA is based on emotional connection, once that connection is reciprocated…

…the full extent of that dual transfer is awakened.

I understand I’m making a lot of logical leaps here, but there has to be some sort of explanation for the Katsuki we see at the point of his death, talking to Toshinori’s vestige. I used to think it meant Katsuki had a vestige too. But then why are Katsuki and Toshinori alone, and without Izuku knowing? Moreover, why didn’t Katsuki materialize from the metaphysical mist around Izuku when he died, just as Toshinori did here?

Here comes the other thing I realized in 404. The simplest explanation may be that Katsuki isn’t a vestige at all, but rather he was visiting the OFA interior just as Izuku has done in his sleep or in a coma. Because he’s not a previous user, he’s a current user. The sequence of Toshinori’s NDE (near death experience) in 404, the way it manifested externally around Izuku as something Izuku was aware of, rather than internally within OFA from Toshinori’s point of view, shows me that what happened to Katsuki was different.

A lot of us have been speculating that Katsuki “has access to” OFA in some form or another for quite some time now, but I think the way the idea is suggested in 403/404 is an important distinction because it specifies the mode of connection. To me, it matters that they have two halves of a whole given to each of them, as opposed to, “the chosen one + his sidekick with a little extra OFA boost.” This puts them on equal ground, and it implies that the closer they become, the stronger One for All will be against All for One. It promises that these two idiots who have been toeing around each other and leaving things unspoken for so long will have to really face the facts of their relationship.

One last thing: you might be wondering why the other vestiges apparently haven’t picked up on what’s going on and told Izuku. Well, Yoichi may have felt it? (Where has he been?) But also, Toshinori is the only one directly involved, the only one who realizes his legacy is carried by two. Up until this point his connection to his vestige self has been limited, sort of one-way. For example, he could tell the other vestiges about his research into OFA, but in return he could only faintly pick up on things, and only while Izuku was unconscious.

The time Toshinori spent as a full vestige was brief, but I’m sure it was enough to learn some things about where the shade of himself has been. Even if I’m wrong about everything else, I bet he can give us the answers now.

#bnha 404 #bnha 403 #mha #bnha manga #my hero academia #boku no hero academia #all might #yagi toshinori #midoriya izuku #Bakugou Katsuki #bkdk #bakudeku #dkbk #dekubaku #lin speaks #meta

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class1akids · 2 years

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okay, but the dude talking to deku (one of the past users for one for all with the scar on his face) looks a lot like bakugou, that may just be me though

Definitely not just you.

He’s been subject to endless speculations since the first silhouette of him appeared and gave birth to the time travel / dimension travel Bak-u-go theories.

These now have been busted by the quirk reveal.

Another popular theory is that 2nd is an ancestor of Bakugou.

The last option - increasingly likely - is that their connection is more thematic in nature - and it is there to highlight the parallels. That at the end of the day, an individual’s will / determination is what can change history rather than simply the strength of a quirk.

#c1a asks #Bakugou - 2nd parallels

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midnightrooftops · 2 years

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All Might has all the past users quirks.

Hear me out.

MAJOR MANGA SPOILERS

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I don't think even All Might knows that he's been using the past user's quirks because they didn't manifest in the same way as they did with Izuku.

Going backwards, Nana had Float. One of the first things we see All Might do is leap into the air. It's played off like part of his strength quirk (all of them are played off as just his strength) but we see him scouting for a building to land on with Midoriya. That suggests he has some form of control, maybe even unconsciously, of where he lands.

We see his control over this "leap" in Kamino when he lands EXACTLY where he needs to to face AFO.

With the 6th user, En, it's pretty apparent how All Might uses his quirk. All Might physically SMOKES/STEAMS when he transforms. The manga points out that it's not just dust, in the USJ arc, Izuku sees it mixing with the dust. And All Might lets off a tell-tail steam when his time is running low.

I think this quirk manifested when All Might felt most compelled to /hide/. I haven't read Vigilantes so i don't know if he steams in that prior to his injury but it would make sense that, as All Might lost muscle mass and began looking significantly different than this personal identity, smokescreen developed to hide the transformation.

Now, Banjo is the first one I'm stumped on bc I can't figure out how it translates to All Might's power. Best I can think of is sense it's the most outwardly different quirk than the others, not something we can casually think is part of All Might's all-might-ness, i wonder if this is the only one he DIDNT develop. He had long-range attacks using a form of airforce so he may never have felt the pressure it took to develop it. I'm not sure, what do you think?

Hikage, though, is also fairly obvious. Danger sense is all but confirmed in vigilantes (I saw a scan or two) but also as the TOP PRO, we've seen All Might elude to feeling uneasy and can easily find crime/danger.

The third user's quirk, Fa Jin, is basically an all Might smash. During the USJ, we see All Might punch the noumu 300 times before delivering a huge smash after building up the power. TBH, I'm still a little unclear of how Fa Jin works but from what I've read, it's basically that.

Now, here comes the speculations.

What is the 2nd user's quirk.

I think it has to be a form of body manipulation. Based on how much All Might uses the other quirks passively, the only "that's just all might" thing we haven't explained is All Might's transformation. I think the second user has the ability to change his limbs. Hear me out. When we see 2 and 3 burst into to save First, 2 is pointing some kind of gun at First. We only see ONE hand. I thought it was just part of the gauntlets we see in the spirit form but now I think that gun IS his hand.

This is, tbf, my least convincing argument, at least in terms of the "all Might has all of the users quirks" theory. Bc yeah, that very well could be his arm but how does that translate to All Might's transformation?

Best I can theorize is that the quirk is a low level mutation quirk, sorta like a shape-shifting quirk? If we believe OFA grows in power than maybe it has limits and over time turns into the ability to completely reshape your body.

(If that's true, it's going to be kinda hilarious to see Izuku go full buff, lmao. Like can you imagine? Yikes. Though, he DID "arrange" his face to look like All Might but that's most likely a manga gag.)

Something else I've toyed with is the idea that it's a MENTAL quirk but now I think that's actually First's.

Think about it. How did ANYONE, even him, know he had the ability to pass on a quirk if everyone thought he was quirkless? I think First's quirk isn't "can pass on quirks" but rather, the ability to pass on quirks is part of a larger, connection quirk.

Maybe AFO is SO attached to his brother because they literally had a mental attachment/connection that First ends up severing when he's taken by 2 and 3. Then, he makes a connection to 2 and through their bond, First passes on the stockpiling. 2 is suddenly able to connect to 3 and that's enough for them to figure out what's going on.

Eventually, this connection of minds builds the void inside OFA where all the past users "live". Sometimes AFO can access it, forcing a connection or reopening the door that First shut on him.

I'm thinking this bc Bakugou sees Toshinori in the vestiges world. I think izuku and Bakugou have formed a connection, one Izuku could pass OFA onto him (but won't bc it's too powerful for anyone else now) and they are now able to share that subtle connection like First and 2.

(Maybe Izuku has made that connection with EVERYONE. Maybe the entire class gets brought in on it and is boosted by OFA's shared power. Or maybe Izuku extends that connection to Shigaraki and that's how he's saved)

Anyway, what do you think?

#mha spoilers #bnha spoilers #ofa theory #all might #quirk theory #one for all theory #one for all

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epickiya722 · 2 years

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FURTHER PROVING MY THEORY I JUST SAW A PANEL WHERE AFO LITERALLY SAID "He's finally gone for good" HELLO??

Like AFO, man, chill.

I wrote a whole post about it so long ago, but I honestly feel like this guy has this grunge against the Second, hates him with all his being and feels threatened because the Second took the one thing that AFO cared about (in his... weird way) and that is his brother.

Yeah, the Third was there. But as I further thought about it, AFO probably hates the Second more since he is the leader of the revolution against him. He opposed him first outside of his own brother. The Second is even the first user of OFA that isn't a Shigaraki, he's an outsider. So not only did the Second "take" his brother away, but he "took" a quirk that AFO "gifted" to his brother.

AFO probably felt mocked like "Oh, I oppose you, I freed your brother and now I'm using your quirk".

The 2nd probably haunts his dreams.

#kiya answers #bnha #mha #boku no hero academia #my hero academia #afo #all for one #yoichi shigaraki #2nd user #2nd ofa user #bnha spoilers

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disastergaze · 2 years

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mha 363

anyway i’m currently vibing hard with the theory that the 2nd OFA user’s quirk is turning back time and i think deku’s going to unlock it for the first time when he arrives at the battlefield to find kacchan dead

it would just make sense with everything else we’ve been told about the 2nd user’s quirk. why it’s alluded to as being so powerful, why deku used the term for “earlier” when he was trying to use it to go faster previously in this arc, why AFO wanted it so badly, why the 2nd kept it locked away from all previous users and why he cautions deku about using it as anything but a last resort.

deku’s going to arrive at the location he was supposed to be at from the beginning, see that in his absence AFO killed his best friend (+ the other heroes who are there rn tbh, rip to them), probably endure some cruel taunting along the lines of “look how weak your precious bakugo was without you >:) i had so much fun crushing his dreams before i stabbed him in the heart >:)” and then he’s gonna have an emotional breakdown so fucking powerful IT TRIGGERS THE UNDO BUTTON

#mha 363 #bkdk #i've been unhinged about this for 12 hours #i want it to be real so bad #also gives us a way for kacchan to live because like hell horikoshi is gonna leave him dead LMAO #mha leaks #mha spoilers

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