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supop · 1 year
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What do you think BTS will do next as soloists? Which member has been the most impressive in Chapter 2?
Hi hey hello :) I’ve been MIA for months but I’m surprised to see I’ve still been getting lots of asks. Did you miss me? Did ya did ya did ya? Going by the number of messages in my inbox I’d say, yes :) Sorry for ghosting you guys; I simply got bored with BTS and stopped keeping up with the group as whole. Meanwhile, their solo era has been fun to observe, huh? Some things I expected, other things I did not. I’m sure you’ve all missed supop thoughts. So, without further adieu, here are my guesses for 2023-2024, in no particular order:
Truthfully, I’ve been trying to post for the past 3 days but tumblr is glitching, and none of my posts are saving. Just as I was about to say F it.... if you can read this, then the issue must be fixed, right? This post hasn’t been proofread, so ignore any grammatical errors and the weird use of punctuation. I have a flight to catch soon, so I’ll answer more asks when I land, and as always.... keep it cute~
Individual YouTube channels (starting off with this because there’s been rumors about it for months now; I doubt all members will have one, but I feel like j-hope or Jungkook may go this route. I actually started to believe it when j-hope posted about his new Leica camera a while back. I know he’s into photography, but there’s always a deeper meaning behind everything he does/posts and he’s been carrying that camera around to all the events he’s been attending; maybe it’s just me overthinking, but it’s giving vlog material at the very least. Each member has a YouTube topic channel, but this will likely be a platform for more direct professional/business use where other creatives are featured or personal use for vlogging, trips, unedited material etc. without constant company oversight; aka without every single piece of content being scheduled by bighit/hybe and distributed via weverse; I also wonder if any more of them will get solo shows like Suchwita on the BangtanTV channel)
Individual Twitter accounts (this one seems farfetched, but so were their instagrams at one point; if they do indeed go this route I can eventually see some members leaving it up to the company to handle their respective social medias while others take a more hands-on approach with their fans—since instagram alone already seems like a struggle for some; they can also repost content from instagram which would also give them more individual exposure since the two social media platforms tend to have completely different audiences; it would also be nice for collaborators/brands/media to be able to tag them directly instead of @ the group account; finally, there’s a reason why each member has stuck to uploading all personal content on their respective instagrams since Dec 2021, so expect the group Twitter to become even more desolate than it already is if this does happen)
Individual TikTok accounts (Instagram, YouTube and Twitter....then why not TikTok too? It would make more sense when it comes to promoting their solo music and once again connecting with their respective audiences/fanbases; it only makes sense for solo artists to promote their solo work on solo accounts especially when their music and personalities are all so different; that’s 7 different audiences that should be catered to instead of trying to fit everyone into one big purple-colored box. All 7 members together represent BTS, but no single member is a representation of BTS; there’s a reason why JITB is completely different from anything BTS has released as group, and it’s the same reason why Indigo is so different from JITB; someone who likes JITB may not care for 90% of BTS’s discography and the same would apply to other members’ solo albums that have yet to be released; this is the obvious truth, but armys will continue to delude themselves as if the term bias doesn’t exist.)
Individual Facebook pages (and lastly, Facebook because all artists need a Facebook page to be able to link their music to their personal Instagram accounts; the BTS official Instagram account has it but when you scroll through you only see JK and RM’s music, which to me isn’t fair to other members who have music under their official Spotify profiles; the members are artists first, right? not influencers, therefore, artistry should be respected in a similar manner)
Opening their comment section on Instagram (limited comments are boring, but i don’t blame them; I’d sure they’re well aware that a select group of their “fans” are unhinged; just look at the way those same “fans” have attacked people who they’ve deemed to be “wrongly” associated with them or people they’ve “accidentally” followed; honestly I’m also worried about the occasional wave of hate/d.threats some members would receive in their comment sections from deranged akgaes; I will never understand not liking someone, yet going out of your way to invade their public accounts or content posted related to them just to spew hateful nonsense or send d.threats about how much you don’t like them; take a breather because it’s never ever that deep. And if you ever feel the need to take it that far towards anyone (celebrity figure or not), then may your pathetic existence quickly reach its expiration date; people also seem to have a lot more balls on instagram, so it’s a good thing Instagram’s safety features are a lot better than Twitter’s—i.e., the report and block buttons def work)
Following more people on Instagram (lol honestly following 0 people isn’t anything new from the celebrity pov and we can all thank Bey for establishing that, but following only your 7 group members is just...meh; are they gonna live as 7 for the rest of their lives? No, but they probably have to keep it this way otherwise there’s a possibility that every single non-bts related account on their following list would be harassed and stalked to oblivion by deranged fans; not to mention as it is, BH/Hybe staff already do such a great job at leaking private info related to BTS, you would think their proximity to such high-profile celebrities would result in ironclad NDAs but I guess not...sigh when will we be free)
Individual brand deals/endorsements (this one is already under way and was really really obvious from the start because we all know “7 or nothing”—not necessarily their bond but the way they’ve been marketed to fans—has always been nothing more than a sales gimmick; seriously not every member will have the skillset that a specific brand is looking for, so let’s let the ones who shine, shine; instead of trying to sell the lackluster ones as a package deal; “buy one get one free” should never apply to people; for the members yet to be announced there’s been rumors of various brands so let’s just wait and see...hopefully no controversial brands are chosen.
Individual fashion global ambassadorships (similar to the above, except I think only the members interested in fashion should get involved in this, but then again, this is the k-entertainment industry we’re talking about, and as of late ambassadorships have become part of the whole “album promo” package deal; either way I’m sure the money is good for BTS, and at the end of the day it’s a win-win; interest or not, the artist gets paid and the brand gets “exposure”) **side note: ambassadorships are cool, but the real deal would be with whichever brand pursues a true partnership with the artist by creating a collaborative fashion line or collection that expresses their artistic vision through fashion and/or even a performance that speaks to the brand’s image. pretty red carpet and campaign pictures are nice, but what the world needs is a tangible piece that can be held or tangible memory that can be seen. I think that’s what truly separates the artist-turned-fashion icon/creative director/business mogul from the rest.
More fashion week appearances (so far we’ve gotten Louis Vuitton, Dior, Hermès. I’m glad j-hope didn’t/hasn’t yet? signed with LV otherwise we never would’ve gotten 3 completely different, yet ultimately iconic looks from him in the span of just 3 days; Jimin for Dior; Suga for Valentino; other members may also attend shows for the brands they will be announced as Global/House Ambassadors) **another side note: Hobi wore clothes from LV’s unreleased collection which is rare feat in itself and he was also invited behind the scenes, shown the collection prior to the show, and he entered and exited the venue via a private entrance that was reserved for VIPs. I also saw a photo of Hobi with the Arnaults. Do you know how difficult it is to meet them? You can’t just meet them lol, they’d first have to want to meet you. And Hoseok did that with not 1, but 3 (maybe 4 because 2 of the brothers attended the Dior show) members of the family, including the LVMH CEO himself. It’s not even enough to be a high-profile celebrity; You usually have to have a long-standing working relationship with them or with one of their brands which means their connection with Hoseok must run pretty deep, and they have plenty of trust in him as a global representative. The same thing applies to Hermès. They do no care how rich or famous you are. Before you’re even able to purchase one of their bags directly, you’d have to be a longtime/VIP shopper. Even then getting a bag isn’t guaranteed. You’ll forever be on a waitlist, it could even take years, until you’re invited to purchase one. You also can’t pick and choose which model or color of bag you want lol. Everyone knows about the Birkin, but most are lucky to even be offered a Kelly for purchase. And not only did Hoseok meet with their executives, they also gifted him a Haut à courroies 50 bag (the one in his airport photos upon arrival from Paris) which is one of their largest bags, and is more difficult to secure than a regular Birkin. In short, he got the full VVIP treatment from both rival brands. Who else can relate? With that said, more than an ambassadorship, there could be a j-hope fashion line or a collection of some sort in the works; or perhaps he was doing field research to decide which brand will be in charge of designing his world tour outfits....who knows, only time will tell; as for fashion week there’s still New York, London, Milan, more in Paris, and even Seoul; appearances and shows will depend on the brand)
More solo magazine covers (this also isn’t anything new but even Hybe’s nugu groups with zero impact and lots of payola are already getting solo covers in top magazines, attending fashion week, and having brand ambassadorships under their belts, so it’s ridiculous it took BigHit/Hybe almost a decade to allow bts members the same opportunity)
Vogue, GQ, Hot Ones? video interviews (as much as I love a good magazine interview, there’s nothing better than being able to observe body language; I was surprised when we got GQ’s ‘10 things Jin’, but it only proves that more spontaneous less unscripted interviews where the gp can easily tune in are no longer beyond the realm of possibilities; which means I’m expecting Vogue to come through with any of the following: Life in Looks, 24 Hours with, 73 Questions, Get Ready with, Beauty Routine, etc; more 10 things with GQ; and Hot Ones would be great)
More solo interviews (see tv appearances)
More solo TV appearances w/Korean media (I know that new Mnet program is currently in the works; and I’m kind of hoping for more popular variety shows and broadcasts; anything that would promote their music domestically vs. the fan-targeted content posted on BangtanTV)
More solo TV appearances w/Western media (it’s no secret that Korean media can be restrictive when it comes to artistic expression, so similar appearances at tv programs like late night shows for an interview and performance would be great; just like they’ve done for many years as a group, so it’s ridiculous how they’re not getting a similar promotional rollout for their solo careers)
More solo red carpet appearances (this one technically isn’t a stand alone event, but you can include any activities here that aren’t necessarily centered around them or any of the other ones I’ve listed; like them getting invited to a movie premiere of a friend of a friend’s)
More solo performances (probably minor ones because I really don’t think any of them will put on a performance as major or as lengthy as the scale of Hobipalooza’s headliner setlist and preparation; unless of course its j-hope himself; as for festival performances, there’s of course Lollapalooza, but we also have Coachella, Rolling Loud, Something in the Water, Wireless Festival, Splash Festival, Made in America, The Governors Ball; most of these festivals have a primarily hip-hop/rap-centric audience, so don’t expect vocal line to make any appearances. I can’t speak for Yoongi or Namjoon, but I doubt Hoseok will be interested in doing anything less than a headlining stage. Otherwise expect performances at the usual Western music award shows, year-end Asian music award shows, and South Korea’s music bank/inkigayo)
Solo world tour announcement (we can dream right?)
More solo music collaborations (there’s been many rumors on this one so let’s way and see; hopefully collabs involving actual good music and more collabs with artists that don’t cater to the demographic of bubblegum pop music lovers; seriously enough is enough with the abysmal lyrics and the lack of good production on some of these collabs)
More solo albums (duh! and emphasis on the solo part; as much as I love a good feature or collab, there’s no good reason for those featured artists to be eating you up on your own song, much less album; features should add to the album, not make the album itself—especially when you’re a musician who aims to establish an individual identity and move away from the idea that you’re nothing without bts/without other people propping you up; next: jimin -> suga -> jungkook -> v ; in that order of album release is my guess)
More solo singles/EPs (the 94s; Namjoon has been hinting a lot at releasing new music, so likely an EP; I think Hoseok will also release another album before he enlists, if not an EP; I think they both have more options than other members since they’ve already officially debuted as soloists)
Subunit singles/EPs (once all of vocal line have released their solo albums, i can see BH trying to push for subunits; don’t expect full on albums with only 2 or 3 members on it, but I can definitely see a single or two or more happening; again likely with vocal line)
More OSTs (original soundtracks; again with vocal line)
More individual enlistments (they all technically have until early/mid 2024 to enlist if the tentative 2025 BTS reunion is supposed to happen, but once you taste the high life of individual freedom can you ever really go back to the mundane days of group work? Yoongi has until the end of 2023, Hoseok and Namjoon both have until the end of 2024, Jimin and Taehyung 2025, Jungkook 2027; I’m curious to see—to the absolute horror of armys—if anyone, especially maknae line, will put off their enlistment past 2024....I think Hybe was foolish to announce a “comeback” date; only doing so to calm investors and give themselves an additional 2 years to “ease their dependency on BTS” by bridging the profit gap between them and all their other groups; well if all else fails, i guess they’ll have the company stans to rely on)
or Paired enlistments (again? I really doubt a 2025 reunion will happen simply because a lot of things aren’t adding up at the moment, but if they enlist in pairs it may be a sure sign otherwise. It still makes me laugh how this time last year armys were so sure they’d be getting a bts world tour announcement only for it to be a hiatus + enlistment announcement instead. The signs of exhaustion from the members and lack of effort with the group in all aspects were way too obvious. I will never understand why fans keep deluding themselves. Seriously what group at the peak of success releases an anthology as an album? With only 3 new songs? And the purple warriors ate it right up. They could’ve at least put the demos on streaming platforms. Don’t even get me started on the 3 english songs that took over a year of “convincing” before the members agreed. Lmao my point is bts have never 100% been open about their plans, yet we all know they plan and settle things months in advance. Which means enlistment had likely already been decided on prior to the second leg of the ptd concerts. And yet, they showed no signs of it and acted like everything was swell. Even RM said the 2025 date was tentative; there’s also the Expo 2035 to consider, but after all those infrastructure problems, I’m pretty sure Busan won’t win the bid. People should accept that if the members want to keep doing their thing solo after 2025, then that’s okay. If they come back as a group, then that’s okay too. These days most of them seem happier and lighter being able to do their own thing without being tied down to the rigorous schedules that come with being “7”. So, why pressure them to do anything more as a group just to fulfill the selfish desires and needs of fans?)
Dating news ??? (this isn’t a big deal either and it’s none of our business but all it really takes is one member to open the floodgates of deranged hyperventilated tears; although it’d probably be in their best interests to continue to keep their personal lives private for that very obvious reason)
Grammys attendance (BTS has several nominations, but I doubt all 6 members will attend; j-hope’s Equal Sign was submitted for “Best Song for Social Change”; there’s been hints of a Pharrell collab involving RM; I doubt the Recording Academy will want to miss out on that BTS viewership clout so I expect at least one or two members to attend and maybe we’ll even get a performance from them)
Met Gala attendance !!!!!! (first comes FW....then comes....seriously, j-hope is just wow and this has to be said. I’ve seen the photos/videos from PFW and modeling/posing aside, not only does his entire aura change, but even his etiquette and mannerisms change depending on where he’s at and what he has on. It’s like the outfit and environment molds itself to him. It’s almost as if cameras were created for the sole purpose of capturing his presence. You know how Koreans have this thing of calling someone “Human [insert brand name here]” j-hope is like that but with every brand. As a longtime lover of fashion, it’s rare to see someone be able to digest every style so well. I can actually count on one hand the number of celebrities who are able to pull it off. He fits perfectly in everywhere he goes, and it’s no wonder why every show gave him the best seat in the house next to all their executives and other notable figures in the fashion industry. It’s amazing, not only do brands love him but so did all the photographers/journalists. He gives you something to write about just by simply existing. So it wouldn’t be a stretch to expect the star of this year’s Paris Fashion Week to finally make his Met Gala debut this May, right? Imagine j-hope attends, goes all out and does one of those behind the scenes ‘get ready with me’ videos with Vogue. Do you see the vision? He’s the only member who has a genuine passion for fashion, does his research, looks good in everything he wears, and isn’t just content with wearing whatever a stylist hands him. He’s also the only member who I’ve seen several designers go out of their way to praise. This year’s Met theme is super flexible too and I’m sure there’s lots of brands that would absolutely love to see j-hope ‘The MVP of Fashion Week’ dressed in their designs)
Hope On The Street Comeback (putting this out there just because there’s rumors that people saw him filming something dance related in Paris; what could it be? maybe for his YouTube channel? a MV? maybe LV ad campaigns or commercials of him dancing? one of the models danced at their recent show so i’m sure they’re open to incorporating more of that type of creative expression in their marketing; either way, if the rumors are true, then naturally we’ll find out soon enough because it’s j-hope)
Drama/Movie roles (lead, second lead, or guest appearances; I don’t think any of them will go this route until they’ve at least released a solo album because if they’re actually serious about their solo music careers, it’s much easier to take an established artist-turned-actor seriously, than it is to take an amateur actor-turned-artist seriously—especially in these fragile times of solo uncertainty for many)
Contract renewal announcement (their contracts expire in 2024?, but I don’t think all of them will renew with BigHit/Hybe; I doubt there’ll be any news on this until later this year at the earliest...although there may be leaks and speculation here and there; since solo activities are in full force—besides re-releasing BTS’s entire catalog as vinyls and repackaged special editions—I’m curious to know what other ways hybe plans to milk them during their hiatus in order to keep pumping that BTS money into their new groups and push a BTS successor. Gotta keep those investors happy, right? Hybe has always had a lot of internal issues with their staff and the way things are handled. Hybe has also spent the last two years promoting their plans to “reduce dependency on BTS”, and have been investing in any and every venture, to the point that their slogan “we believe in money” should be changed to “we believe in profit”. If you notice any positive deviations in the company’s usual behavior regarding how the members are being managed, then they’re likely trying to butter them up behind the scenes to get them to renew. I’m also curious about the current status of their contracts, and if any new conditions were added regarding their solo work; I feel like some may have already renewed but, again, I could be wrong; half the members have already sold a portion of their 1.2% in collective hybe shares; all it really takes is for one member to leave the company and I’m pretty sure at least half would follow suit; there’s power in solidarity)
That’s all that comes to mind for now. As for your second question (which member has been the most impressive in chapter 2) if it wasn’t already obvious, the answer is: j-hope. It’s only been 6 months, and between his solo debut, critically-acclaimed album, multiple iconic performances, being the star of Paris Fashion Week, documentary on the way. Who else is doing it like him? He’s been booked and busy since the group’s hiatus was announced, accomplishing all that in just 6 months. He set the bar high for himself and continues to raise it. 2022 was the year of HOPE and there’s no signs of him slowing down in 2023. He deserves all the recognition he’s getting because not only is he the most impressive, he’s also produced the most impressive results overall. Let’s put bias aside and face the facts because anyone who says otherwise is a l-i-a-r.
I’m sure the haters are gonna say “he only accomplished all those things because he was the first one to release his album”. Well, any of the other 6 could’ve released theirs first, yet here we are 6 months later where some of them still have nothing close to a finished album and are busy idling their time away. Any reason they give for not being in the studio working is an excuse. Not to mention j-hope was working on his solo debut and preparing solo performances while BTS was still active as a group, meanwhile others were what? Taking vacations? Partying? Playing video games? Not that there’s anything wrong with doing any of that. If you want to rest, then by all means rest, but don’t expect to be on the same level or have the same results as someone who consistently works hard like j-hope. Even with the group being inactive it was only j-hope showing up to every award show in the name of BTS (Jin enlisted, but what were the other 5 busy doing)? Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.
“Effort plays an important role in trying to stay where I am now. I will always try my best because efforts will never betray me.” — j-hope, 2018; “Efforts never betray you....All my efforts have never betrayed me....Looking back, the efforts I made didn’t betray me, in the end.” — j-hope, 2023
And “j-hope always has a plan”, so it’s only natural for him to never miss out on a golden opportunity to show the world who he is and what he’s capable of doing. It’s one thing to be talented, it’s another thing to have excellent work ethic, strong social skills, the confidence and charisma to pull off anything. Not to mention he’s always super genuine, humble and polite with everyone he meets—and we can’t forget that heart-shaped smile. These attributes go a long way and are invaluable especially when you work in industries as cutthroat as music or fashion where first impressions are always a make or break. That sort of discipline and awareness isn’t built overnight. I’ve seen some videos of j-hope’s PFW interactions (with executives, photographers, and just recently, his bodyguards) and it always makes me go: “wow I want to meet him, I want to talk to him, he seems like a really nice guy, he’s a natural model, he’s super good-looking, I can’t help but smile too”. So, imagine how all those people on the receiving end of his affections feel? Exactly. Hence why j-hope will continue to be invited into those exclusive spaces. His body language is always warm and inviting, he’s good at connecting with people from all walks of life. Even something as simple as a smile or wave is enough to make someone’s day and j-hope gets that. The more time passes, the more obvious it becomes that he’s the main reason BTS even lasted this long as a group. Other members don’t call him “갓이홉” (god j-hope) for nothing. **final side note: even the way j-hope reposted all those photos from local photographers on his IG story is so ¡wow! Lots of celebrities wouldn’t even bother. Not only is he giving them more exposure in such a competitive industry, he’s also letting them know how much he appreciates their work. And some of these photographers often run around FW for free in order to build up their portfolios. Now, you never know who could’ve watched his story, saw those photos he reposted, and offered them a job. It’s little things like that, that go a long way, because guess what? The next time he comes back to Paris the same photographers will be happy and ready to capture him on their cameras. In fact, notice how some of them posted even more photos of him after that repost? Exactly. j-hope should really teach a masterclass on networking and building connections; the first thing on the agenda? Making the best first impressions. The second thing? The subtle art of personal branding. Don’t try to give Bighit/Hybe any credit either because as we’ve seen from some lackluster solo activities and the incredibly botched debut solo album rollouts (especially j-hope’s and especially when compared to the debut of other groups under the same company), thus far, BH/H does not give enough fvcks about BTS as soloists to invest money into them individually. the same way they’re currently doing for their other groups; they might care for some members more than others so a sponsored opportunity or two may come in the realm of that possibility, but they definitely value “OT7” above all because that’s where they believe the money lies. Ultimately, how each member’s solo career will turn out relies heavily on their ambition, respective goals, personal initiative, the drive to want more and to be more in their own right. They may be at the top as a group, but as soloists they’re just getting started.
I wrote this post about a year ago, and it seems that Hoseok has finally given us an answer. He’s clearly in it for the long haul and plans to have a very long and very flourishing career in both music and fashion; chess, not checkers~
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supop · 2 years
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ok, can you expand on one of your old posts talking about the ‘recreation’ of namjoon’s personality? or the new persona’s in bts in general?
Hi, anon I saw your previous ask on this. I’m currently on a time crunch, but I’ll be sure to get to it the next time I have a chance to answer your questions (probably later today or tomorrow).
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supop · 2 years
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Armys, fandoms in general overhype everything, but that doesn't change or take anything away from an artist's talents or attributes.
Namjoon doesn't seem like the type to jump ship lol what are you talking about, bang pd turned bts from a hip-hop group to a kpop group and he stayed despite the hate from his peers and him not wanting to dance, honestly I wonder what gives you that impression.
The members have talked about him working two times harder as the leader, how he bridges the gap between them and the company, how he advocates for them, encourages them, helps them out in writing lyrics etc. Why downplay a position you're not in? a position you haven't seen the details of first hand like the members have?
You're right though, many companies would love to have his "flowery and insubstantial" words on their payroll seeing as those words are one of the main reasons bts have such critical acclaim and a dedicated fandom in the first place.
Seek first to understand and then to be understood.
Anon, you may be lacking when it comes to reading comprehension since nothing you’ve said relates back to anything I’ve stated. You read my post blindly and ruffled your own feathers in the process.
Regrading leadership, you’re referencing back to 2013, which automatically makes everything you’ve written invalid because when I form my thoughts I’m always referring to the present-day. Like I’ve said in another post, there’s a vast difference between the 2013 ragtag hip-hop small company group that was BTS, and the 2022 love yourself young rich and successful billion-dollar company that is BTS.
By “jump ship” I meant when BTS is all said and done. Lol, be honest what is Namjoon supposed to lead when there’s no group to lead? Yea, that’s what I thought. If you would prefer for him to stay tucked under Bang PD’s pits (in a company that was built off his back and yet he doesn’t even own 1% share of it), for the rest of his life and not explore other avenues, then that’s on you. I could honestly care less what he decides to do with his career, all I do is answer questions people send me.
And I simply spoke on how half the philosophical shit Namjoon says has no substantial meaning behind it. So where did I “downplay” his position? Seeing as how hurt you sound, I guess you’re one of the fans I spoke about, who thinks he’s unlocked the secret to all your life problems.
You’re right, those words are one of the reasons BTS have such “critical acclaim”. In addition to Yoongi and Hoseok’s lyrical contribution and the numerous of production staff on HYBE’s payroll, of course. After all, this isn’t a one-man show. At the end of the day, BTS is more know for their performances, than they are for their lyrics. And you can likely thank Hoseok for the former. However, if we’re speaking on the reason behind the “dedicated fandom” it likely has more to do with the parasocial relationship that’s been formed with 2 out of every 3 fans seeing themselves in a romantic or sexual relationship with one of the members, but I digress.
Anyways, what do flowery words have to do with helping the members? I’m sure Namjoon helps them within his means and has a good relationship with the group. I even spoke briefly about it here with the way he often acknowledges Hoseok’s position and contributions to the group. It takes a decent amount of leadership skills to be able to give credit where it’s due, you know.
“He advocates for them” lol and if by relaying what the company tells him to tell the others is your definition of “advocate” then so be it (let’s not forget he’s the one in charge of telling them when they need to stop eating and lose some weight). “Encourages them” you might be describing someone else here. “Helps them out with writing lyrics”, so did he single handles pen the entirety of BTS’s discography and all of their solo songs (mixtapes included)?
I’m not calling him a bad leader, neither am I calling him a good leader. I’ve seen better leadership skills than the evidence you provided to back up your claims. Relax on kpop for a bit okay? The world is a lot bigger than you think it is. And I guarantee you Namjoon’s english skills was the primary decision in making him leader and he would’ve flopped as a soloist with the concept he originally tried to portray. The cultural appropriation? Expensive girl? Wow, talk about backlash for daysssssssssss. It’s a good thing he chose BTS, otherwise “RM” would’ve never seen the light of day. And we both know that’s the truth.
On a positive note, Namjoon is a good lyricist (even though I think he has the tendency to write better for others than he does for himself). His currently style of music? It works well for him and he should stick with it.
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supop · 2 years
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Random question time!!!! What did you have for dinner?
Lolol I keep getting asks like these.
Are you actually curious or are you just bored?
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supop · 2 years
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I've sent several messages for discussion and for months none of them have been answered, but I know you would find them engaging and I'd love to discuss these things with you. Are the messages not coming through?
Sorry anon, your questions might not be coming through or they’re ending up at the bottom of my inbox :( The latter is more likely. I’m not ignoring you, I promise. I just get so many messages at a time and tumblr always shows the most recent asks, so those are the ones I usually answer first when I find time. You’re also all anonymous so it’s not like I’m playing faves (lol). I either have to increase my response speed or scroll all the way down to the older messages. Sorry, again to all the asks I haven’t been able to answer (to you anon and the others). If you can tell me what your previous asks have been about I’ll try to find them or if you leave an emoji on your next ask (so I know who you are), I’ll be sure to get to it. I’ll get to them all eventually.
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supop · 2 years
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will you be tuning in to hobi’s bday vlive?
I try to watch all their lives (especially the birthday ones). I feel like each member has the tendency to become super reflective during their these particular vlives. There’s just something about crossing out another year of life that makes people reflect tbh. I like to see how much they’ve grown in the past year and how freely they’re willing to speak their minds when it’s just them and the camera (and other members or staff aren’t around). Some of their lives offer actual substance and are more entertaining to watch than others. Some members have actual personalities and are more interesting in general. Hoseok is one of those members, so yes, I will be tuning in.
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please continue answering questions. your thoughts and the way you answer them is so intriguing and i’m always agreeing with your wording and whatever it is you respond to.
will do lovely anon :)
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Also hsk did post about that ost on weverse and yes anon you're so right about amis expecting way too much from him and liking him just becoz he gives them their bias' unseen pics,,,, the same thing never happens to other members they are all free to have their own life and hobbies without others but hoseok has to cater to the whole fandom🙄.....and don't even get me started the demands they have from him,they want him to post about their bdays on 12AM kst and the vise versa is not true because on his bday only namjoon posted pics of him earlier(if I remember it correctly) and others just left him a 3 lined acrostic poem(which made no sense and had nothing to do with him only jk served with that drawing) that too when his bday ended...I hope armys see how high their expectations are from hoseok and wish that they will see the hypocrisy
I agree with everything you said anon.
Going off my previous post, I’d like to add that Hoseok has a huge heart. Not just with the members, but in general and how he interacts with the world around him. I’m one of those people that believe there aren’t that many genuine and selfless people in this world, but he’s definitely one of them. And fans will always try to take advantage of that because human beings are inherently selfish (even the purple-blooded ones that constantly claim to “love all 7 equally”).
And at the end of the day, Hoseok is still gonna do what he wants to do. That man doesn’t even let the other members boss him around, so I doubt he’s paying attention to a bunch of purple pixels on the internet making demands and expectations of him. He’s always done what he wants (even if people refuse to see that).
Hoseok interacts with BTS because he’s currently part of BTS. If he was able to publicly interact with other people outside of the group (without armys giving themselves brain aneurysms), then he likely would show those people the same energy. Just like how he’s now taken control of his instagram feed (and how the general public perceives him). When given the opportunity, Hoseok comes across as the type to take lead of any and all social situations.
In addition to that, things like not forgetting birthdays, commenting on posts, shower people with praise, etc. Gifts and words of affirmations are likely Hoseok’s love language (to others). I don’t think he does what he does because it makes them happy, but because it makes him happy. If it didn’t make him happy, then I doubt he’d do it at all. He doesn’t owe anyone anything (especially given how some of the members treat him/have treated him in the past). And I’m sure he’s aware of this. Just like how certain members often abstain from social media, Hoseok could do the same. He just chooses not to because that isn’t his vibe. Overall, he’s such a pro and he handles things well.
Just my two cents~
Side note: I don’t get why so many people think Hoseok’s (receiving) love language is physical touch. Yes, because how someone receives and gives love can differ greatly. It’s so obvious that he doesn’t liked to be touched in any affectionate manner unless he’s the one initiating the touching. Seriously, touch him unprovoked and you’re likely to get pushed away.
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Thank u for answering about Hoseok renewing his contract - I'm that pessimistic anon) Tbh I'm pessimistic exactly due to years of shitty treatment of Hoseok from bh so when it comes to his career it's like rollercoaster in my mind: one moment I think about how brilliant Hobi is & am sure he'll do great, next moment I see how invisible company makes him be & am sad cause he can't make it lol Can u elaborate on "guy's a lot smarter than people take him for (especially his fans)"? What don't I see?
The company making him invisible doesn’t take anything away from him as an artist or a person. Diminishing his presence within the group won’t make the others anymore talented. A diamond won’t turn into a rock no matter how much it’s buried, and a rock won’t turn into a diamond no matter how much it’s elevated. I’ve said previously that j-hope’s audience has yet to be fully explored and isn’t within the realm of armys. Yes, BTS are gaining new fans every day, but it’s more or less for all the wrong reasons. Their fanbase is saturated (and not in a good way).
Now, as for your question, here’s what I think ~
Hoseok is a complex and introspective individual. Whenever he speaks, he does so with conviction. He presents his ideas as suggestions, but 9/10 he’s already made up his mind and knows exactly what to do next. He takes criticism and further uses it as fuel to improve himself and his craft, and to eventually prove everyone around him wrong. He rises to the occasion and succeeds in areas where others would likely crumble, falter, and fail. He works out his problems on his own and only brings them up after he’s found a solution (or accepted that the problem is one he shouldn’t waste his time and energy on). Nothing he does is ever simply for show. His actions are always very purposeful, deliberate, and dare I say, calculating. Not in the manipulative sense, but in the “I know what I want and I know how to get it” sense or the “I know exactly what type of mood I want to convey to everyone in this room” sense. Now, whether or not his actions benefits him directly, depends on where his priorities lie. Which leads me to my next point.
Hoseok is also someone who (strategically) puts others’ needs before his own. He operates on a “greater good” principle (aka actions that promote the happiness of everyone and not just his own). If Hoseok was more selfish, he’d be a huge threat to everyone. Not that he isn’t still a threat, he’s just a lot more tamed with his behavior and doesn’t like to rock the boat unnecessarily. He moves smartly (even when placed at a disadvantage) and he still manages to come out on top. He’s always sure to cover all his bases and you’ll never catch him slipping, ever. Hence, why I say he’s a lot smarter than people take him for.
Fans may view Hoseok as someone that serves their own agenda (be it hyping up the group or another member), when truthfully, underneath all his actions, he’s only bringing more positive attention and energy towards himself (whether he knows it or not). And he does so without getting caught in the crossfire (of deranged fans) or being tied to anything that would go against his personal values. Given his current position (because we all know BTS could never properly function without him) it would be easy for one to be demanding, lash out, burn bridges and have everyone bend to your every will (especially when things aren’t going his way). However, this approach doesn’t last long and you’re likely to make tons of enemies in the process. It’s much harder to pull strings behind the scenes and stay in everyone’s good grace while still being in an opportune spot to elevate yourself and your position at a moment’s notice. Hoseok is the latter. He plays the long game, chess not checkers. There’s a reason why everyone who has ever worked with BTS has nothing but good things to say about him. Even if they don’t have much to say about some of the other members, there’s always a word of praise for Hoseok.
When BTS is his priority, he’ll go all out for BTS. He’ll put the needs of BTS before the personal needs of j-hope. However, this also serves as a double-edged sword for everyone around him because the day he fully prioritizes his solo career is the day you can likely kiss all things BTS-associated good-bye.
When that day will come, however, I don’t know. You’d have to ask Hoseok.
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Out of everything you wrote I agree the most about Namjoon and him being completely out of touch with reality. The man says so many things without saying ANYTHING at all. Every time I read one of his interviews, I leave the page thinking "Well, nothing of substance was said." Also no hate but I don't think he is as smart as he presents himself and as the fandom/people around him think he is. But I don't think he will ever leave HYBE, even if he is unhappy with the way things are going.
Armys love to take a single poetic or philosophical statement from Namjoon’s magazine interviews, weverse letters, or just general things he says and praise him like he’s some sort of intellectual genius who understands all their life problems and has unlocked the solution to it all. And if he does say something decent during live interviews it’s likely the questions we’re coached through beforehand.
It’s so cringe because my Korean friends say even as a native speaker he tends to use words that most Koreans don’t use in everyday language. Korean is already a very contextual language to begin with, so when you translate it all to English, what’s being said is likely to gain even more of an abstract meanings.
I think everything Namjoon says has the tendency to come off as very flowery and insubstantial. Yes, I think that’s the best way to view it. His words are like a pile of flower petals that have been yanked off their stem. Pretty to look at for a moment, but not worth your time in the long run.
I also have a feeling he’ll stay with HYBE long term but he comes across as wild card to me. He seems like the type to jump ship when things are no longer going his way. BTS may have initially started around him, but it’s hasn’t been that way for the longest. That “leader” position is surely not everything it’s cut out to be and that’s the only thing armys ever praise him for. “omG besT leadeR eveR” lol what exactly is he even leading at this point. Surely not their english interviews.
And what happens when one or two members leave or the group disbands? I think he’s likely to follow. It’s not like he has a major share in HYBE to begin with and there are plenty of people and companies that would love to have his flowery words on their payroll.
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For the one who asks 'has Hsk even congratulated Tae's ost' even? hsk has spoiled you all so much that your expectations are getting on my nerves. I even saw some 'but I wish he put link to song too' comments on hsk's stay alive ig story... (Dont make it so obvious that most armies care about Hsk only when he hype the members) none of them have to do this, including Hsk. you can't question it when he doesn't. I always wished the best for hsk but most of all I wished he had a better fandom.
I completely agree with you anon.
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Did you see Jimin fans were cursing out the members for not posting get well soon messages and not posting about him/giving updates, most of their anger was directed at Tae 🥴 they even went in the hyungline's dms to threaten and mock them. Doing all that like Jimin was giving us daily updates and well wishes when other members had covid. Aside from that one time with yoongi, I don't recall jimin ever doing that publicly either. These are the same fans who accuse other members of bullying him, call them incels, curse them out whenever they even mention him for anything they don't think is positive, what a bunch of freaks
My blog was originally made to repost cute BTS gifs. But Jimin stans felt the need to go rabid late last year, so here we are. Why they think they can bully, curse and attack people unprovoked without facing any sort of consequences is beyond me.
Truly their breed of stans are bold af for no reason. It’s to the point one would think they’re operating on pure gas and not actual brains. Another anon sent me photos of the following tweets made by a notorious Jimin stan:
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Apparently all they do is cry all day about why Jimin has no solo work :( no studio :( no solo MV :( no spotify profile :( no anything :( It’s fucking embarrassing. At this point what are they even stanning?
Everyone: “Jimin pick up a pen”
Jimin stans: no :( how could you tell jimin to do that :( how dare you ask jimin to do that :( how dare you expect a musician to make music :( jimin is our idol IT boy :( he has no actual musical skills :( his job is just to stand on stage and act cutie sexy lovely :( just because the other members can make music doesn’t mean our jiminie can and should :( jiminie needs help and he needs someone to walk him every step of the way :( someone should write all his songs for him, then take him to the nearest studio so he can record it with auto tune :( but don’t get it wrong, just because jimin can’t write, produce, or sing doesn’t mean he isn’t the most talented member in bts and all of kpop okay :( it’s been almost a decade since the start of his career and he could’ve learned a thing or two about making music, but he chose not to and that’s okay becasue jimin is a perfectionist and park jimin = pure talent :(:(:(
Pjms are truly the bottom barrel of all solo stans. Every day they prove just how pathetic they are. Jimin would be so embarrassed if he read that person’s tweets. His stans genuinely operate as if they have worms for brains. This is why the only thing they have to brag about are a fake popularity ranking chart and their purchased streams for his 3 solo songs. They drag down other members becasue that’s the only thing they can do to bridge the gap between him and them, while covering up for his notorious lack of talent. A tragic group of fans. It’s funny because I’ve seen Jimin get dragged by every fandom (western and kpop), yet I doubt you’d see them barking under those tweets. His fans are so problematic. When (if) BTS disbands, they’ll surely be receiving a wake up call.
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Jungkook IMHO is not centre-worthy AT ALL; he is just privileged. I don’t understand how and why the industry makes such a big deal out of him. The only thing I see he is pretty good at is singing and even then his voice grates after a while. If that is the so-called standards that K-pop has to be given the green light by all label at audition then they must worship mediocrity in K-pop. What is your opinion on this?
In a past post I said (and I quote) “if not for his tattoo’s blah golden maknae, center time, shippers, tattoos and piercings golden maknae, center time, shippers, tattoos and piercings agenda, there are many instances Jungkook simply fades into the background”. And I still stand by these words. Jungkook isn’t the best at anything concerning 3rd generation idols, much less all of k-pop.
Jungkook is the most popular member in BTS (by default) because he’s the one the company pushes the most. By default he’s always in the center, abc as a result, he hasn’t had to work as hard as the other members for the spotlight to be on him. Whether BTS is on stage or off stage, Jungkook is always right there in front of our faces, you can’t miss him, no matter how hard you try because that’s the whole point of company push. So, it makes sense that he’s one of the more recognized members in the group. However, I think the privilege HYBE has given Jungkook has been extremely detrimental to his individual growth as an artist.
The fact that Jungkook hasn’t had to work as hard as the others and got everything pretty much handed to him is his biggest vice and could be his ultimate downfall. He’s already spent nearly a decade in the industry and he still has yet to discover his individual sound and style as an artist. In a lot of people’s eyes Jungkook = BTS and there really is no Jungkook outside of BTS. Thanks to the image the company has built for him, when (if) BTS disbands Jungkook’s popularity will likely get hit the hardest. Not to mention he’s also part of the two largest ships the fandom has built (Taekook and Jikook). So what happens when these two ships can no longer sustain themselves? When Taehyung and Jimin’s dating news comes out and all the delusional people finally get their wake up calls? Will Jungkook still be worth stanning in their eyes? Will he be worth the hype without all the gimmicks that follow?
To answer your question is he center-worthy? To a degree, yes. Jungkook is a decent kpop idol and BTS is a kpop group. However, would I regard Jungkook as an artist? Probably not. Jungkook is a fast learner but he still lacks in a lot of areas and struggles to stand toe to toe with some of the best in the industry. Outside the golden maknae agenda, he really doesn’t have that IT factor that leads to long-term sustainability, legacy, and growth as an artist. If we’re talking purely on the basis of talent, then Hoseok should get the most center time in the group, but that isn’t the case. In conclusion, Jungkook benefits the most by being a member of BTS, but as a soloist he’d probably struggle to retain a lot of the popularity he has now without the company shoving him down all our throats.
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About contract resign. Tbh I don't think Hobi has a choise. Imo he's the one who wants to continue career on stage as singer/rapper/idol & he needs company for that. What he'll do without it? We don't even see him building network like, for eg, Yoongi does or Tae (in acting field), he probably has some connections but so far they seem invisible. I just hope he negotiated with hybe some conditions for himself to promote as solo... Tbh I am kinda worried about him
First of all, you always have a choice. We all have a choice, always keep that in mind. Secondly, the only issue I think any of the members could potentially face is if they’re unable to retain their masters or stage names of they choose not to renew (which I highly doubt will be the case). Company vs artist legal battles are likely the last thing hybe would want to engage in given their already fragile IPO.
but but but…HYBE isn’t like any other kpop company…they’re different and special…because BTS isn’t like any other kpop group….they’re different and special. aht aht aht.
Behind every great artist is an equally great promotional team (company), that’s a given. However, in Hoseok’s case, that doesn’t necessarily mean that HYBE is the company for him. Please keep in mind that HYBE isn’t some behemoth industry disruptor, the company isn’t innovative, neither are they visionaries. It just so happens to be that Bang PD got lucky with recruiting 7 Korean boys (some talented than others) who happened to amass a giant fanbase along the way. And the reason I say this is because they’ll never be able make another BTS. TXT will never be as big, neither will enhuphen, or any of their future groups. BTS seems to have used up all the luck….because there was never a secret formula to begin with.
As for having connections, those only work when your position is stable. If you lose the position then you’re likely to lose the connections as well. For example, Yoongi has a had alot of collabs, but I’m not sure if there’s enough evidence to call it connections. I think he’s just good (profitable) at what he does (making music) so HYBE sends whoever comes knocking at their door his way. It’s less about him being connected, and more about him having a beneficial position in the company (whatever that may be), but it’s clear someone high up favors him. The Juice Wrld, IU, and Coldplay, Samsung, and OST collabs were all set up by HYBE and not Yoongi directly. Which goes back to the first point I made in this paragraph, and why it’s likely Yoongi will probably be renewing his contract with HYBE or working with them long-term, (if not as an artist, then as a producer or something).
Also, isn’t the whole point of connections for them to be invisible? Always be weary of those who flaunt who they know, because 9/10 those connections are operating on a mutualistic (potentially parasitic) “you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours” basis. On a more personal aspect, it’s important to note that every OST Taehyung has done has been for a kdrama of one of his actor friends. So, does this mean that Taehyung isn’t in demand as an artist outside of his social circle? Perhaps. There’s the age old tale of caution about having too many friends in the entertainment industry. Especially if those friends all share the spotlight. I’m going off topic here, but true friends are those who’d be willing to stick around even if you became the most useless person on the planet. Does Taehyung have that? Friends from before the fame? I’d hope so because if any of his current relationships ever sour, it won’t be pretty.
My point is j-hope’s destiny isn’t tied to HYBE. Especially not at this stage of his career when he’s already found a lot of success outside the group. In general, what Hoseok has accomplished has less to do with company backing (or hidden connections), and more to do with his innate talent and hard work. Which isn’t a bad thing, it just goes to show how he can succeed even in the most disadvantageous circumstances, so imagine if he was actually working in an environment that prioritized him and his artistry? Anon, you’re either young or a pessimist, either way you should know that life has a magical way of working itself out. Nothing is ever as it appears to be and everything is always hidden behind picture-perfect guises. I wouldn’t worry too much about j-hope. Yea his current position in the group sucks, but the guy is a lot smarter than people take him for (especially his fans). The more I think about it the more I want to pick his brain, but I digress.
I have a feeling Hoseok can play his cards right and won’t allow the potential brilliance of his solo career to be squandered away at the hands of a company that prioritizes ships and gimmicks over music and artistry. There’s also the option of him going fully independent, but that’s difficult and unnecessary. If he doesn’t renew his contract with set conditions, then it’s likely he’ll go elsewhere. After all, there are lots of companies who’d be lucky to have j-hope.
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I know HYBE wouldn't allow official solo debut (meaning physical album, solo comeback stages and individual sponsorship from brands) until the older members enlist because they want to milk the fandom to its very last bit, but what do you think can be the reasons why HYBE doesn't even allow small activities such as appearance in variety shows and radio shows? They allowed those pre-2019 until they became obsessed with the US market. Why not any more?
You could blame it all on HYBE but it’s probably something the members also agreed to. Keep in mind they were on several variety shows last year (You Quiz on the Block, KBS World TV, and The Game Caterers X Run BTS collab). It’s not like BTS have completely abstained from kmedia since their focus on the US market. However, the real question here would probably be why haven’t the members done any INDIVIDUAL appearances since 2018/19(?).
This again is likely something the members agreed to when they renewed their contracts and HYBE decided to pushed the ot7 agenda and other fan attachments. It’s not like shows haven’t requested individual members. There’s been a few producers who have requested Hoseok on their dance shows, the same goes for Jin and Taehyung when it comes to acting (I’m not aware of the demand of other members, but if there is then let me know).
HYBE’s younger groups have all been given the opportunity to purse individual opportunities. TXT’s Yeonjun, for example, has done a lot of modeling gigs, MC roles, acting debut, he has his own fashion line, and now he even has his own instagram. So again it all boils down to how HYBE (and the members) have decided to market and promote themselves. It’s no coincidence that the timeline of BTS’s newly announced solo era and the heavy promotion of their latest solo tracks coincides with them now having their solo instagrams. Whatever they’re doing now likely falls in line with the contracts they renewed back in 2018 (or the contracts they’re renewing now). For any major changes within the group, we’ll just have to wait and see which of the members choose to renew this time around and which of them decide to go their own way.
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Hi, any thoughts on the situation regarding j-hope's Spotify profile and songs being missing from korea for awhile now?
I’ve heard. My friends have been upset about it for awhile now. It sucks but I figured it has nothing to do with spotify and is an internal issue with the artist (j-hope) and their agency (hybe). A friend told me they emailed spotify korea and it was confirmed that it is indeed an issue with the agency (hybe). The only instances I’m aware of artists having issues with their agencies is when it’s concerning copyright, masters, distribution, or image infringement (all of which are contractual between the artist, agency, and music streaming service). However, I’m not sure why it’s only Spotify Korea having this issue, and not other counties or steaming platforms.
His profile has been gone since December right?Since Hybe is currently doing a lot of promotion for Stay Alive on Spotify (they even debuted Jungkook’s official profile), it’s likely that they are already aware of j-hope’s missing profile and it’s also likely that his profile was taken down on purpose. The same applies to j-hope’s knowledge of his missing profile. So the question here isn’t why j-hope’s Spotify Korea profile is missing, but why the company has yet to release an official statement explaining the situation to his fans. Hybe has been quick to deny dating rumors in the past, so shouldn’t they have acted even quicker seeing as how this issue concerns the music of one of their artists?
The only plausible theory I can come up with is that j-hope is currently in the process of reworking certain aspects of his contract or the claim he has over his music (it could be that the clauses he had in place prior have expired and he’s negotiating new ones). The distribution and copyright channel for his mixtape and songs are the same for all of rap line’s mixtapes and songs. Namjoon’s and Yoongi’s Spotify Korea profiles are still up which means it’s only Hoseok dealing with this. Whatever the issue may be, hopefully it gets resolved quickly. Korean fans who use spotify should be able to freely listen to j-hope’s songs just like the rest of us.
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I keep wondering why is Tae posting and deleting the stories almost immediately? To generate more interest? Why would he even bother, considering he the second-most favorite (or the first, depending on whom you ask) BTS member? Something feels really off with him, especially lately.
On a side note, i secretly hope his relationship with a girlfriend comes to light soon, mostly because i want to see a certain shipper fandom crumble. The obsession with shipping, fueled by HYBE, is reaching very uncomfortable levels. (I want the other biggest ship fandom to crumble the same way but i doubt Jimin or Jk will reveal they are dating someone - who is not a BTS member- anytime soon).
“I keep wondering why is Tae posting and deleting the stories almost immediately? To generate more interest?” Oh, anon it looks like you’ve answered your own question. Yes, he does it for attention.
Taehyung is weird, and I say that in the most neutral way possible. I’ve seen his comments on weverse responding to people asking why he keeps deleting his stories/posts. There’s thousands of comments but he specifically chose the ones that would stroke his ego. It’s the same energy as when he told fans that he doesn’t post selfies because he wants them to miss him more. Whatever that means.
I wouldn’t concern myself with whatever Taehyung is doing...the only ones entertained by his antics are those who have nothing going on in their personal lives, or those whose personal lives are tied to his personal life. All I know is that he’s always posting somewhere and none of it is worth keeping up with (IMO).
I want them to all reveal their dating news (even though it’s none of our business). But I’d rather them be honest than pretend to be 12 year old virgin boys who are scared of girls and all happen to be gay. And I won’t deny that there are several people I’d like to see become a blubbering mess and cry and as their delusional fantasies are torn apart right before their very eyes. I could care less about what people do in with their lives, I just hate when their actions come across as disingenuous and manipulative (and people start feeding into it).
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