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A realisation that came too late?

When my father passed away I was rather young however my mother bought me Morgen ist alles besser (Everything Will Be Better Tomorrow UK and GR title). She had lost her father young as well around the same age and either her mother or someone else had bought her that book.

When my mother passed away I was not as old as my mother was when it happened to her. It was sudden, striking and for the first time I couldn't read a book. I have a house with over 5000 books and no desire or courage to pick one and just read.

So today six months later after what I call 'the incident' while at a neighbour's house I picked up 'The Miraculous Journey of Edward Tulane'. I skimmed it and out of mindless boredom I started reading it. My neighbour claimed they had two copies so they gifted me the one I had started reading and I finished it a few minutes ago.

So is this post Lucifer related? Perhaps.

When you watch a series or read a book, pick whatever suits you, you tend to create a whole parallel between your life and the material. When I started watching Lucifer I was angry and frustrated with my PhD studies, no more precisely with the environment of my studies and lack of coherent guidance. Anyways! For years I noticed that many fans also had this need to express their own frustration and anguish on many different levels. Identity, life, heath to name a few things.. But most importantly it was about relationships, the need to love and perhaps not so much to be loved. To be accepted and despite everything to try to do your best even when you are bound to fail.

Here is the thing though that's just an interpretation of how this series can be experienced.

When I read the aforementioned books they were both about loss and despair. About finding love and losing it and when you have given up to still trying to pick up yourself again because humans are built this way and Lucifer was created as a character from a writers room with the same fears and insecurities as well as hopes.

The ending again makes sense to me perhaps more than before. Many many say why and how is that. Well, when l lost the last person I cared for and the one that unconditionally cared for me you realise that Lucifer provided the same ending both books and many more probably have provided their readers with.

An ending that is bound to change according to the stage you are in your life. But that's not all. Humans are not programmed to act in one specific way that's why we have variables which means that others are more sober while others maybe more (optimistic?)

It's been 1.5 years since the last episode/season of Lucifer and I think that in about a decade we will see what else it has to offer us then. It may not age well, the fandom may grow bitter or something... Sometimes I still visit a page for the series Lois and Clark from the 90s. It may not be roaring but it's still there. Not many members are active nowadays but it gives me hope for the Lucifer fandom.

So see you next week, year or decade 😅

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sanoiro · 2 years

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yall ever heard about ao3s next of kin policy

#My fav fanfic author was an educator close to 70 about 15 years ago and one day she disappeared I can only suspect she passed away #I know that one day fanfic sites may not make it but will stories disappear before vultures take their pick #I know that Twilight was a mix of different buffy stories and their authors I bet were rather surprised when that book was printed #fanfic authors are exposed if something happens to them as their family and friends often do not know or care about their fan work #I really love that provision by A03

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sanoiro · 2 years

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I just realised something. At the hell session in 610 we hear a clock ticking until Chloe knocks on the door then it stops. In 609 the ticking was used to signify the Deckerstar countdown before he had to leave. In 610 Lucifer lived in a countdown until they were reunited.

I thought it was an ingenious detail :P

#lucifer season 6 #lucifer meta

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sanoiro · 2 years

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Lucifer Meta: Rory - Aurora - Eos

Chloe: Wait, hold on. Uh, what did you say your name was? Rosy: Rory. Short for "Aurora." Chloe: Aurora. If I ever had another daughter, that's what I was gonna name her. Both: Aurora.

Early on we knew the character as ‘Iris’, the reason behind that was that when the role was out to be casted it was send out as Iris, Lucifer’s sister not his daughter. The dialogue supported it a lot so all our meta back then were built around that name and it made some sense but anyways!

Moving forward a good six months after the release of season six and the name Aurora was never really hit home for me so I left it to fellow friends who liked to analyse things and moved on. Today I realised that perhaps I was too quick o do so.

Why is that?

Those familiar with Roman Mythology know that it’s usual a cluster of Greek, Etruscan and yes Roman in origin mythologies. Stories that were blended together and the name Aurora met the same fate.

If we go back to its origins we find Eos (Ήως) a name that also means ‘dawn’ but who was also a winged Goddess. Well in reality she was a Titan. Titans pre-existed the Olympian Gods and their offsprings. If you are only familiar with Titans through Disney’s ‘Hercules’ then I would like to say that Zeus was actually the son of a Titan, ‘Kronos’. Basically she was Zeus’ great-great-aunt with one more great being also possibly applicable. No idea why some called her daughter of Zeus but with so many tales, who knows she might have been in some of them. So the world before the Olympians and their of springs had to be explained and sure enough there were Gods that pre-existed in the entities of Titans. One of them was Eos, the Goddess of the Dawn (and Love - Eros).

At this point let’s remember that the possibility to change deities also happened in Lucifer as well. God was succeeded by Lucifer and then Lucifer by Amenadiel.

Known for her chariot, white wings and reddish clothes she became part of many legends and tales that usually included her unstoppable lust over males. Yeah so this part was not really something that happened with Rory but it fits Lucifer and Rory in general.

Another interesting fact is that Eos was also the mother of Phosphorus (Φώσφορος) or as I like it best Eosphorus (Εωσφόρος) which means of course ‘The Lightbringer’ aka in Latin, Lucifer. So there was a familial relationship between Eos/Aurora and Eosphorus/Lucifer for a very long time before it appeared on our screens. One that had the lovely epithet 'light-bringing' (see φαινόλις)...

In addition to all the above the deity it represented in many cases also was the one who opened the Gates of Heaven. Yes, Heaven was personified as well back then but in a meta attempt why not connect it to what Rory achieved and that is to open the Gates of Heaven for everyone through Lucifer’s decision to go to Hell and aid the damned souls?

Now perhaps that is but a random trivia or a meta, take it as you like but the depictions of Eos were always as a red figure as ancient Greek vases and vessels were using black or/and reddish hues. For me despite the accounts of Eos wings being white, I think I like Evelyn De Morgan’s Eos (1895) painting most. I wonder why...

Interesting wiki articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H2%C3%A9ws%C5%8Ds

#lucifer meta #lucifer season 6

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sanoiro · 2 years

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After reading the three of the soon to be fourt part interview of Mike Costa about S5 and S6 I had these wild thoughts...

First, I'm glad that Lucifer didn't end up in Hell in s5 with Dan while Chloe was probably stuck on Earth? Or perhaps their S5 ending was Lucifer commuting until Chloe's death? I think that either ending was fine by me right now if that was the original plan.

Either having Lucifer commuting watching Chloe grow old and being a stepdad or what we got. Perhaps the first would have been less traumatic for the audience especially the portion that was against the baby part but then again what if they had a kid in that S5 ending thing? Or at least... no clue.... so many possibilities

Then again having Dan stuck in hell while undergoing therapy sessions with Lucifer was a bit gloomy for his arc. But the reasoning of Lucifer would have eventually figured out what was his calling is now true and Rory could have been left out but yeah... @youcantmakeme was right she aided the plot. But still I’m fine with it.

I feel like I’m living in a weird place where both endings exist and I’m equally happy with both of them because for a little while in a writer’s room or in a collective thinking they did.

Anyways! Six months already huh?

Interview:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

#lucifer #mike costa #ending #and randomness

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sanoiro · 2 years

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Meta: Reflection

Lucifer Season 5 Part 2 Spoilers & some for S6 perhaps

First let’s go back to 2x03-Sin Eater where Lucifer in the network room comments that:

“You know, if you take away the blinky lights and add some lost souls, this place bares a striking resemblance to Hell.”

The place was dark, bluish and solemn. It was the place where human experiences were judged and ended up torturing the selected individuals for a very long time according to what was ‘funny’.

Sure enough Hell back in S2 was a bit like that…

Now take a look of the interrogation room not just in 5x10 but in general. Dark, Bluish usually but highlighted for 5x10.

Even the concrete pillars are similar to the ones of Hell. Perhaps it acts like a foreshadowing down the lane but for now, let’s see how the musical made us realise that in the interrogation room Lucifer is in Hell while Dad is in the light with only a thin piece of Glass separating them.

Dad can see Lucifer but Lucifer cannot see Dad. That has as a result Lucifer not being able to make a comparison. Hell like Heaven as we know in 5x16 has rooms. In both cases the doors are open but in Hell, the occupants of a door are self-trapped in there.

Now, Dad sees Lucifer as his reflection for some reason. Dad has given Lucifer a realm very similar to Heaven to rule he does not see him as an equal but as someone who can rise on the occasion perhaps.

But again Lucifer cannot see Dad the way Dad can see him. Lucifer can only see his own reflection and that one is usually distorted by the dimness of the room he is in. He cannot fathom there can be light as the banished there are undeserving.

Perhaps that is why only the side of the possible suspects is lighted blue usually.

But still, in 5x10 we see the interrogation room is an echo of Hell. We can wonder what that means in the series as a whole and what it means for that episode.

For the episode, it means that:

A) Lucifer feels trapped again like he did in Hell and he expresses that many times in the beginning and at the end of this particular episode. Especially since Dad is back and he feels constantly watched.

^(Remember Lucifer admitting his growth in 5x15 when talking to Zadkiel?)

B) We see the duality between Dad and Lucifer. Behind the Glass in the dimmed room there are the guilty the ones who are judged waiting for evidence that can allow them to walk away. It is a Hell in its own right. On the other side of the Glass is where the judge is waiting, observing calmly. It’s where decisions are made, in a dim lit room and where Dad is calmly standing watching his son. Evaluating perhaps if he is ready.

So in the end we see that Lucifer is his father’s son. They are not perfect and Lucifer as a God he will not be perfect or even all-powerful like Dad wasn’t to a point. He will be fallible but will also be loving. So in P2 the reflection of Dad in Lucifer is explored and cannot be seen more perfectly than in that moment. They are not the same but they reflect similarly in several circumstances.

For the series, it means that:

Lucifer ends up in a room that reflects Hell. In a weird way, it is like a training area for him for what may come but one thing is sure, Hell can be something different and Earth provided Lucifer with the best traineeship.

And if all the above are but a meta, Chloe confirms it by saying in 5x11 that: “Children are a reflection of us, aren’t they?”

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sanoiro · 2 years

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Lucifer Meta: Nothing Lasts Forever

This post contains S6 spoilers

I would like us to go back to S5 for a while specifically to an episode called ‘Nothing Lasts Forever’.

There was a finality about that episode that all things come to an end and there is nothing you can do about it. There is an uncomfortable feeling about it but recently I realised that the meaning was not what we assumed it to be.

Lucifer begs him to stay for a little bit longer and that was Dad’s reply. But it does not mean that all things need to come to a bitter ending. Now I see them as words of encouragement than a goodbye.

Lucifer in the same episode demands to know how far Dad’s plan went. Was Dad’s plan to be reunited with Mum eventually? In S6 and particularly in 6x10 Lucifer exclaims on how his Father was a cheeky bastards. Dad knew all along that Lucifer would not become God. So what else was his plan? Better yet how much he knew based on how he assumed his children actions once he was gone?

Have you ever thought how Mum and Dad’s arc is so similar to Deckerstar?

For two omniscient beings they seemed to be often unaware of things but I do not believe it was to the extent we perhaps were led to believe it was. Sure free will aids fate but we saw that there are many different components that make a being omniscient when Dad didn’t have his powers.

So we have to ask a very simple question here.

Did Mum and Dad had to do the same thing that Lucifer and Chloe did for/to Rory?

In 3x26, Dad says that a parent wants what’s best for their child. True, but Hell?

For two beings that are omniscient very much like Chloe and Lucifer were in the end of 6x10 on what has to be done until a certain point, they saw where Lucifer was heading along the series. They knew he was a rebel, they knew he was also very sensitive. They knew that Lucifer would eventually ruin himself beyond repair to a sadistic & edonistic being. We met that Lucifer but we also met a Lucifer in 3x11 who still waited for his parents, who still had faith until he lost it. Very much like Jimmy waited for his mother in 6x03.

So what if there was a plan there? What if Mum and Dad decided to sacrifice themselves for their child. Just one child mind you out of a myriad Angels. But one child that held their strengths and flaws in a perfect blend very much like Rory did according to Lucifer in 6x10.

In the comics Lucifer asks himself in Sandman’s presence, if he had not rebelled would that Plan be over? Perhaps someone else would have done it in his place. In Murder Mysteries a not so cannon but still connected to Sandman and Lucifer comics, novel (and illustrated novel later on) by Neil Gaiman, Lucifer sees so much injustice over punishment, a punishment that had to do with love but also a twisted form of love, one of the two in that story, so eventually Lucifer rebels there.

Let’s say that Mum and Dad planned Lucifer to Fall. They also planned for Mum to stay in Hell for millenia. Whether she was aware or remembered that deal when she went to Hell is unknown but I would like to believe that in the years of her confinement she forgot the purpose of her stay there or at least something was off. Or she was a better liar. Perhaps she expected that it would not have been so long. Chloe didn’t expect she would live around 40 years without Lucifer for example.

But why for just one child again? Because Lucifer sets in motion all his siblings change and growth. He triggers Amenadiel’s and as we saw in 6x10 Amenadiel promotes growth in Heaven. Before S6 Angels were deemed to be sloths and rather uninterested in human matters. Because though Lucifer loved a human and won a war they started applying themselves to also love humanity and it seemed by the various miracles they performed they found it rather gratifying. However, Amenadiel offered a better structure to this.

Therefore Lucifer was the locked door for the Celestials change but Chloe as Mum very well said was the Key.

Mum and Dad also had flaws in Linda’s eyes. Again the issue was the lack of growth which again was promoted only by Lucifer’s growth. Lucifer was able to help others grow even after their death, his parents to seek peace in a different universe, his siblings to do more, be more. So yes, they had to focus on that one child. And they probably hated what happened next especially with Lucifer and the ones that were lost along the way but Lucifer like Linda said, had to seek the answers alone. Of course dropping him to Hell without a manual was a bit overboard but it worked. It was harsh, unjust but it worked. As it did for Rory.

Chloe had to spent decades in a prison that resembled very much the one of Mum’s. Lucifer had wondered, if Mum could explain herself over his abandonment what would have she said? Chloe was kept in close quarters with Rory, gave her a minimum of answers and she had to wait for Rory to realise the majority of them when it was time for Chloe to pass away. Of course Rory is unaware of her own Calling but in the end of S6 we realise that Dad had again already gave a compassionate word to Lucifer, a clue if you like. ‘Nothing Lasts Forever.’

Both sets of parents made their choices. Lucifer and Chloe’s choices led to several distinct achievements.

Dan managed to go to Heaven. If Rory had not dropped him on Earth it would have never happened. Nor would Lucifer would have been able to help as he would have been unaware of his Calling.

Forcing Lucifer to take the throne could have also been catastrophic. See Hell as an example and his conviction that he had to be a punisher there. How long would have passed until he burned out? How long before he tried to imitate his Father? Would have led to Rory taking the same path he did? With the same catastrophic results?

Lucifer had been banned from Heaven and we saw what it took to get there and survive. But here is the thing he never got to Hell until he felt he had to go. Even then Heaven was protected from Lucifer perhaps just in case so there were barriers erected (I thought Lucifer would have loved it… erected :D ). But what about Rory? When she got her wings why didn’t she try to go to Hell and find her father? Why didn’t she go to Hell to demand he gets to Earth and see her mother on her deathbed. Why did she travel in time and why did she landed in Hell and not Earth when she jumped?

As far as I see things I believe that Lucifer made sure that Rory would never be able to reach him in Hell in hopes the time loop would not be broken. So like his father he probably had similar but less harmful barriers in Hell to keep her out. It is why the only solution for Rory to see him was going in the past and not seek him out in her own timeline at any given time. It is why Rory also held a lot of guilt over perhaps her existence which made Chloe be reminded constantly of Lucifer who she never denied, she always said how much she loved him.

Rory also carries the guilt of not only her mother’s abandonment and hers but in 6x10 for a brief second, the one of realisation and the one which almost turned her to Miss Crispy, that she was wrong. Her father loved her, he wanted her, he wished and desired for her presence and existence but for some reason she was the one who drove him away even though it takes her a while to understand how that happened.

Lucifer also held a lot of Guilt over what he had done against his Father and Mother. Over what he believed he was. Rory resembles him a lot so we saw how easy it would have been for her to be consumed by Guilt and there would have not been a way back. Does that mean that if Mum and Dad had not taken the set of actions they did, Lucifer would have ended up worse?

I wonder if Mum’s words were true whether Dad wanted to destroy him because he feared the alternative, especially one that would have cost him the Goddess he loved, Uriel down the road and so much tribulation. But as we said even if it was a fleeting thought, that one child was the answer. The only problem was time. But nothing lasts forever. The same applies to Deckerstar.

The setting was perfect if you think about it. Hell’s time does indeed run in a slower pace than Earth’s. That helps dealing with more cases of damned souls than the number of incoming souls to Hell. Meaning that the ratio favours Hell and Lucifer. It means that Lucifer and now Chloe can solve hell loops, help souls redeem themselves and eventually one day, perhaps, they can have a day off. Hell can become something more than a constant occupation but also it will always provide Lucifer and Chloe with a new case as an interview noted.

In conclusion, Dad’s words echoed to the understanding that Lucifer would have to go through a long time of solitude without his child and without the woman he loves. Both Mum and Dad have experienced that for a time longer than Lucifer has but now at least there is hope, the ending of that seperation is near and the bad days will not last forever. Only love and faith is eternal and Deckerstar held both until that knock in 6x10 and beyond.

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sanoiro · 2 years

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-Parents do not send their children out to a concrete happy future. Also children that acted out were sent away to places which in their parents perception could help them. Whether that happened or not it’s a different subject.

-War only led to honours if that side what won and in a spectacular way which often meant great sacrifices, more often than not a limp for the high ranked second borns.

-Knowing what will happen in which path, which path will be taken and what choices your children will take is a different thing than saying that Dad effectively picked the path that would lead to two of his children dying. Let’s also not forget that this is not the Biblical God we know well the New Testament one, the Old one surish but an entity very different based on the work the show was.

-Lucifer’s free will remains. Like Dad, Lucifer makes a choice that will lead to a very short term unpleasant future. Free will does not mean evading pain. Painful choices are always on the table whether we like them or not. Free will does not constitute good outcomes. Also free will is not making choices freely without being influenced from the world and the people around you. Example if you raid a public building how much can we blame an ex president and the media propaganda?

-We always see Lucifer’s story as being solely based on Chloe’s existence at that time. In reality it was about Delilah, Linda, Trixie, Charlotte, Ella, Marcus, Father Kinley, Malcolm, The Viper, Father Frank, Eve and so so so many others being present at the right time, in the right place. So no we do not care only about Chloe’s existence. We care about the whole deal because Lucifer’s decision in the end was not made just because of Rory. He was influenced by everyone above and their lives and actions. Father Frank died to protect a boy he felt he owned a life to, he died preserving the memory of his lost daughter. Every character mattered Chloe as Mum said was just the key so she had to be placed at the right time for the right people to make the right environment for Lucifer’s ‘vacation’ to work.

Dad was a bad parent as we are all at some point. Some more, some less. He was also a man with the plan which led Mum to Hell and in her own universe in a story in which we see a parallel between the two couples.

Imagine you want your child to grow up to be a therapist.

In order to do that though, you decide they need to experience some of the hardships their future patients have, in order to assist them successfully. They must fall, and then learn to rise again, before helping others do the same.

So when they become a teenager, you kick them out of the house. Not onto the streets, but into a shelter you built below ground in your backyard. It is dark and desolate, devoid of hope, life, and even music. There, they are assigned a task, which they repeatedly do, in the hope of pleasing you.

Neither you, nor their siblings, speak to them again until they've spent the majority of their life down there. The only contact they have with their family is with one brother, who takes it upon themself to force them back into the basement whenever they manage to escape.

You're aware of this, but you do nothing. You're also aware when your child is distraught, despairing at a parent who refuses to acknowledge them. You're aware that most of their siblings hate them, and that everyone who knew or has even heard of them does too. You're aware when they're forced to kill their brother after they attack them, you're aware when they start to self-mutilate thinking they can escape your control, and you're aware when they start to hate themselves so much that they think they're a monster, incapable of love. And still, you do nothing. You always do nothing.

Not until the day you decide they're ready to leave, at which point you introduce them to someone who will guide them towards them being the therapist you always wanted them to be. Eventually, they do, but it means leaving that guide, the woman they fell in love with, and their unborn child, devastating them once again.

Still, they find happiness in the work, and help a great amount of people, even though they have to return to and work out of that very same shelter they grew up in. Just like you always planned.

Was it worth it? Are you a good parent?

Because as far as the writers of Lucifer are considered, you are. Your child is Lucifer, and you are God. Which makes the situation even worse, because that shelter is Hell, that job is torture, and that self-hatred physically manifests in a monsterous appearance.

But hey, it was all for a reason.

And traumatising your child is acceptable if you think it's the best thing for them.

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sanoiro · 2 years

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I believe that outlook is not correct. I will not go over the my perception is right but that Lucifer was about choices and finding a life course through them.

You have a child that you know will be the happiest in a certain place. You see them struggle to dominate the house in their quest and see the family breaking apart as that child is lost. At that moment whether you keep them in the house or send them away will have the same result. So in hopes they will find their way you send them to the place where you see the being the happiest and well for good.

The first son will inherit the estate, the second will go to the military and the third will take over the estate’s parish. You do not want your second son to be killed but with the chances of his birth and education they might get a fortune, a title, a estate of their own. You do not want your son to be in solitude with God -necessarily- but in case they cannot thrive outside their privileged lifestyle, you give them a way to survive but also help the rest of the family.

In Lucifer’s case God knew what was going to happen. However as he said in 3x26, it’s all about choices. Sooner or later by sending Lucifer to Hell, he would have met Chloe. Lucifer appeared to be unable to find his way without Chloe and eventually Rory. He had million of years to make the choice that would have given him his purpose. There was though no initiative.

No matter how many times we want to go through Dad’s actions or the writer’s ability to craft a story, as individuals we get through life through luck, chances and choices. Lucifer had all three. In 6x10 he picked to go to Hell, wait for Chloe there, not see his child grow up for what he believed would not interfere with Rory as the person he got to know as well as what it meant for what he sought for a very, very, very long time.

I’m sure that like 3x26 suggests there is a universe of multiverses of different choices, something that we are even aware in real life as well according to certain theories. That means that Lucifer could have taken several other choices, which would have led to several other outcomes. Make no mistake though, just because something can happen differently it does not mean it can happen better or lead to a joyous end. It just means that we have a variety of decisions to make but unfortunately no succession of choices will always be good. That can be explained by statistics when it comes to the throw of the dice, the hand you get from a 52 deck or even a flip of a coin.

Therefore no it was not tragic, Lucifer would have refused the very word as he distastes goats. It had a painful salty aftertaste but as they say salt is the main ingredient of life so, it’s good that it was a story about life before and after death.

Imagine you want your child to grow up to be a therapist.

Still, they find happiness in the work, and help a great amount of people, even though they have to return to and work out of that very same shelter they grew up in. Just like you always planned.

Was it worth it? Are you a good parent?

But hey, it was all for a reason.

And traumatising your child is acceptable if you think it's the best thing for them.

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sanoiro · 2 years

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Happy Holidays

#9000th post #Hang in there #Satan Day was only Yesterday :P #lucifer #Lucifer Season 6

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sanoiro · 2 years

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Watch the video of this man giving away his software for free to help people with degenerative diseases communicate

#This might be a game changer for a colleague's kid #fingers crossed

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sanoiro · 3 years

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So what’s next?

If you have not seen it yet Netflix is set to license their originals in other streaming services also it holds a license over its originals for a certain time span.

What does that mean?

We should start though with the question who owns a tv show?

Answer: The production company, the distributor, studio, or network, or some combination thereof.

Who owns Lucifer?

Answer: I assume -> Jerry Bruckheimer Television, DC Entertainment, Warner Bros. Television & Warner Bros. Television Distribution

Who has the license to stream it?

Netflix in several countries and Amazon Prime in UK & Germany (Certain seasons in certain cases)

So again what does that mean?

That when Lucifer is either given to HBO max through Netflix before its streaming license expires or when its Netflix license expires its owners will decide where to give it next. Usually that is happening according to the performance of the show/film, the demand and the right price given.

It is highly probably that whatever happens next will happen when we reach the above point. That will take a considerable time so WB either will use HBO Max and use that license for its own benefit or less probable will make a new licensing agreement with Netflix.

Do not forget that the streaming wars are on and however things 5 years in the future will be able to survive, at least in a way...

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sanoiro · 3 years

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Snack Bite Meta: Music in Hell

With Chloe, a pure innocent, getting willingly to Hell as a ‘reward’ and the song ‘Welcome to the Dark Parade’ did that mean that with her there Music finally made it to Hell? Meaning that Lucifer’s two greatest loves Chloe and Music were back to him with his third, his child, incoming as well?

Here is to meta hoping that’s what that meant :P

#lucifer meta #lucifer season 6

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Snack Bite Meta: Mended Heart

In Rory’s first scene we see her wearing a top that depicts a stabbed heart, which on a meta level gives us how the character feels at that point.

In the end of the season in the ‘past’ but also the ‘future’ we see her wearing the top with the safety pin mended heart. It is not a perfect solution but like stitches her heart is in the process of being mended together again thanks to her parents.

#lucifer meta #lucifer season 6 #lucifer 6x02 #lucifer 6x10 #snack bite meta

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sanoiro · 3 years

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When you realise the hidden Rose was Rory...

There was always a countdown and the Rose had to be preserved in the end.

But that's fine. Being in a different setting than the one they fell in love with is also good in my book.

Thanks to the one who reposted this and I had the chance to re-read it again.

Lucifer Speculation-Meta: Only You

I decided to break my speculation into 2 parts. The first is called Lucifer Speculation-Meta: Lucifer’s Dream and the Second Lucifer Speculation-Meta: Only You.

What I want to say first is that I believe that Lucifer gives to Chloe a gardenia prom corsage… Gardenias are popular for that purpose but also convey the meaning of purity, love, refinement (hence why they are used in weddings), and they also carry the meaning of secret or untold love.

The dance scene can be analysed on so many levels that I’m already afraid that I’ll miss or fail to convey most of what I wish to say so I’ll start by saying that the song picked for that scene does not only shows the writers dedication to sweet jams although this one was from the 80s but also reminded me of the 1994 movie. A time when Robert Downey, Jr. was still high and Hollywood tried to challenge the meant to be the notion of romcoms… On second thought, please hold that part for a little while longer and let’s start this post. This post will be divided into 3 sections. The first will be the scene breakdown as I interpret it in the episode. The second will be a speculation on the future of this season, and the third will be a mix of the second as well as featuring the importance of the dance’s song.

Part 1 - Scene Breakdown

Lucifer for the first time seems ready to do something just because Chloe needed it. He buys a flower, dresses up and asks her to the prom. Proms I guess are supposed to be an “off-age” experience which both Lucifer and Chloe missed for different reasons.

Lucifer in this episode shows that with the appearance of Marcus has become more considerate. He feels more in tune with other people’s feelings which he was unable to do so in S2, to the point where he had to go through a Duchification… The more interesting hint is where he says “a friend”. A common word to use but still an important one. Lucifer does not lie.

What is important also is that in that dance he takes control. In the dive as you remember he comes close to her, he almost kisses her but restrains himself. It’s the first time in the episode where we see some real chemistry between the actors and that’s in my opinion because Tom knows how to play Lucifer. Lucifer at this point is rigid, he refuses to take chances and knows he cannot have Chloe even if she does know the truth. For a moment though he is on the brink of forgetting that… Moving on I would like to highlight the dive. In the beginning, he makes sure he has her back, he knows he will make it happen, and he will catch her this time. Chloe tells him “Thank You”, and that has him freeze for just a moment. His dream disappears as in real life he managed to get her without his wings and gave her what she needed. You see that she leans a bit forward and he almost gives in before realising that it’s all about her not him. He seems almost at peace although he still doesn’t have what he needs to move forward. What she does tell him though is that you cannot re-write the past so forward is the only way to go. Unfortunately, he doesn’t get again the obvious.

So the dive is important as Lucifer at the end of the episode disproves his dream. He is there to catch her, and he is in control. He can protect her, he can give her what she needs even if -ironically- he cannot give her himself as he believes that’s what she wants and not actually needs. At this point, of course, I would like to say that he is probably wrong and he will mess things up. From her side, Chloe tries once again to understand Lucifer. This is not poor writing but as you know when you love someone you are just there without demanding for much. Moments are precious, and whatever the other is willing to give you, it’s enough. That’s not a disregard of being your own person or being manipulated or even being lovesick. It’s just there for the other although it might cost you. Lucifer complies and tells her about wanting to break the curse, which Chloe believes to be a crazy metaphor, in order for his Father to not be able to control his friend (Marcus/Cain) or him. In reality, though it’s not just his will, he wants but also hers. The control over him as I mentioned in the first part affects Chloe more than we think. Aware of the danger he thus pushes Chloe further away and focuses once again on the mark of Cain, his revenge over Dad and of course he is distancing again from Chloe. The problem here is that he sees her interest and affection as a manipulation by Dad, so he enjoys it for a bit just enough in order to satisfy his craving and at the end of the episode, he looks upward.

In 3x11 he looked upward when he had Maze cut his wings, and I cannot help but wonder if in a sense that’s what he is doing again. Were the wings a gift as Chloe probably is? Cutting her away from his personal life is and will be painful. Does he unknowingly surrenders his own freedom? We shall see and so at this point we get to the second section of this post.

Part 2 - Speculation for the Future or the Past

For someone who is obsessed with films, I cannot believe he hasn’t watched the Back to the Future trilogy… You just do NOT mess with the continuum!

The real question is can he do it? Yes, yes he can. This is, in my opinion, a small highjacking from the comics but not really one at the same time. Many fans believe that time and Lucifer in the comics are connected, but that’s a text for another time. For a few months now if you check some previous posts of mine and as an anon pointed out on Monday, Ship and I since the beginning of the season saw something off with Chloe. Many of you have lamented over not having enough time and space to grow in the series, and that might be because she will be used in a very ugly yet interesting way. In brief, Chloe might have to actually die this season. Yes… Not in a permanent way but just enough for Lucifer to realise what he has done. Changing the continuum of time which most have heard it’s not a linear thing but it is treated as a linear concept, will have unforeseen consequences… Everything in this life makes us who we are… Even Dan in Chloe’s life made her who she is today. Lucifer assumes that Chloe was just placed on Earth as part of his father’s manipulation, but the thing is that Chloe is connected to also several other things and not only Lucifer. Fans have speculated, myself included, that the focus of the series might also be Trixie. I’ll not delve into that but let’s keep it in might just because. Okay so back to Chloe. In S2 Lucifer said he was her Guardian Devil… Funny how he indeed was one since the Pilot of the series so certain pillars can collapse if Lucifer meddles too much with the past. Especially since we have to ponder, what if Lucifer was placed on Earth for Chloe and not the other way around? Next, I would like to say that we have some footage from a time-travel shooting, not the one with the bus, that was a movie that was shot in the same area as Lucifer 3x16, but there are some weird scenes we have not shared with you mainly because we didn’t know what to make of it… Part 3 - Only You by Yazoo

As most of you know, I love to search for hints in songs that have been featured at the end of the episodes. In the movie of 1994, the plot was dealing with a woman who believed in destiny a bit too much to the point she chased a guy from the US to Italy… In that movie the meaning was simple. Destiny cannot be foretold, but it is our actions that define our future. In Lucifer, we have this conviction that its endgame. It is but not because of this meant to be, by Dad’s plan. Their future will be decided by their actions and not a grand plan. The grand plan is made not written beforehand. In this episode, Todd tried to say something very simple. An ending about real people can be beautiful although many people might find it boring.

“A peaceful and grounding ending with no scandals and insiders versus outcasts, just people finally understanding each other.” - Todd in Lucifer 3x15

(Also see Lucifer reading a passage from the book in my snack bite meta)

Does this foretells the series ending one day? I hope so…

Funny thing is that Chloe has accepted Lucifer and I know that most say she needs to know the truth in order for them to move forward and I partly agree but please also think of this. Chloe accepted Lucifer. Can we love someone wholeheartedly without knowing every aspect of his life and past? Yes, yes we can. I realise that might raise an eyebrow or two, but the thing is that we rarely get the chance to know and love everything about a person, but I do believe we can love a soul without knowing some of their aspects.

Chloe loves Lucifer for what he is even if she does not know he is truly the Devil. Lucifer loves Chloe although he believes he knows her attention and feelings are fabricated. Both of them have a veil that cannot lift at the moment but when the time comes will those feelings change? In any case, I would urge you to stay a bit again on the main lyric. And all I ever knew… Only You.

Time to move from this and get back to the song. Looking from a window above, it’s like a story of love Can you hear me?

So far we know that God sent Chloe as a miracle on Earth. Lucifer believes that it was in order to manipulate him through Chloe. Still isn’t it interesting that everything is interconnected? Amenadiel blessed Penny to have Chloe. Amenadiel got Mum in Hell. Amenadiel marked Cain/Marcus… And all that comes crashing down now on Lucifer’s present. At this point can we wonder if God writes destiny or should we go back to the comic books? In any case, Dad seems to be a very hands-on parent. As Lucifer said in 2x16 he is a helicopter parent as was Mum…

Came back only yesterday. I’m moving further away. Want you near me

Now, this is what I mentioned before. Lucifer in this season seems to keep Chloe at a safe distance and yet whenever he gets the chance he might do something extra just to have her close again but also push her again at the same time. The bullet, the dance… Everything in this season betrays a character who is at war with himself. In love but also desperate to keep everyone safe. Perhaps it was his Father’s cruelty according to Lucifer that he fears what He may do to others, namely Chloe. The thought if He treats His kids this way just imagine what He may do to Chloe terrifies him. And never forget… Father’s bargain from S1 might be still on. I doubt that Dad has collected on his deal with Lucifer and the payback might be due any day now.

All I needed was the love you gave. All I needed for another day. And all I ever knew. Only you.

I sincerely believe that Lucifer has misunderstood things and instead of focusing on Pierce he could find several of the answers he seeks through Chloe. Sometimes I wonder if Uriel saw the patterns change in the timeline of 3x11 when Lucifer and Chloe were close together. Now there is not much I can say about that lyric only that the only person Lucifer has managed to love, care and unconditionally protect is Chloe. In return, Chloe does not only robs him off his invulnerability, but I truly believe he supplies him with a power we have not seen yet. Yes, it is transferable through love as I believe that his invulnerability is also affected by it, but Linda’s comment in S3 on whether the only power Lucifer had was to bring out people’s desires was a hint enough of what it may come our way in the rest of S3. Sometimes when I think of her name. When it’s only a game And I need you. Listen to the words that you say. It’s getting harder to stay. When I see you.

Rafferty, as you know, is a big softy and loves romcoms… He also loves teen sitcoms but anyway… The choice of the song can summarise everything I have said before and more. Lucifer tries to stay away but as we all know once Marclo starts for good Lucifer will definitely have a fit, and it will not be pretty. This is going to take a long time. And I wonder what’s mine can’t take no more. Wonder if you’ll understand It’s just the touch of your hand Behind a closed door.

If there was one that we could bring forward and say that’s a hint the above would be it. Lucifer indeed does not know if Chloe is here just for him or not. He believes he is but tries t challenge that. He steals small moments here and there without real promises while at the same time Chloe is as confused as Lucifer. Neither of them makes the first step anymore, and they seem oddly in tune with their reluctance to get down to that path of romance again. It is true that Chloe in 3x15 was more open to Lucifer and perhaps even opened a door for him if he wanted to take the chance, but he never did. In this episode, we can see that Chloe still loves Lucifer and will do anything in order to keep him in her life while Lucifer is set on staying away from her. That, of course, does not mean that he is unaware of what he has to do. He believes he needs to protect her and in that twisted logic, he has added that prooving Father he can hold his ground might also help him with Chloe and might break her curse as well. You see since S2 Lucifer said openly that he will try to find a solution for Chloe and we never got back to that but then again we did. Marcus scar if it is removed that means that Lucifer can also remove Father’s influence from Chloe and then perhaps he will be able to have her. So according to him everyone right now carries a mark from God. Marcus the scar, Lucifer the Wings, Chloe the love, Amenadiel the mortality, Maze her lack of soul, Charlotte the stink of Hell… Everything the divine touched is scarred for Lucifer, and so Marcus is not just a solution for giving salvation to the first murderer and defying Dad… No, it is a proof that Lucifer can reverse Father’s will which he believes it is unjust.

Finally, say whatever you want, but the choice of LUX with gold confetti was a bit like recreating the dance from Beauty and the Beast… The question though is where the withering rose is hidden?

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