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Snowgrave Inspirations?
So we all know the Snowgrave route was inspired, or at least has the texture of being as such, by creepypastas in the sense a game is being broken and has an almost gestalt intelligence in its reaction to being so. Beyond specific references and such, what do y'all think specifically inspired it? I imagine shit like Ben Drowned and Godzilla NES factor in, but I want to provide a unique addition:
Persona 1, or more specifically, Revelations: Persona.
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Some set dressing for the uninitiated: Persona 1 has two routes:
The main story is the SEBEC Route, which centers around the demon invasion and transformation of Mikage-cho as a result of the machinations and experiments of the shady SEBEC ("Saeki Electronics & Biological & Energy Corporation") and how one Maki Sonomura stands at the center of all this.
That's the story most experience, but there's a harder alternate route called the Snow Queen Quest, or SQQ for short. This route centers around the titular play which was performed at St. Hermelin High, the school of the game, and how the Snow Queen Mask came to be possessed with a vengeful spirit. But in order to activate this quest, you have to take a number of steps after leaving the school to visit Maki but before activating the SEBEC route, which most people do because of the natural flow of the story; while not the most cryptic or elaborate thing I've experienced, you definitely have to go out of your way in order to experience this part of the game.
While the SQQ is similarly hiemal as Snowgrave since the Queen freezes the school over and attempts to sacrifice a pivotal teacher to bring back the "Eternal Night," the main thing I want to talk about is:
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The fact that in the original American release of the game, retitled Revelations: Persona, cut this alternate route out. Now, there's a lot to be said about this release of the game and P1 as a whole. For that, I highly recommend Snickety Slice's videos on it from his Compendium series of essays.
As Snickety Slice says in the SQQ portion of video 3A, which focuses on the American localization of the time, no one really knows why it was cut, by which is meant there is no definitive answer. The most popular theory, as he posits, is that this was done to meet the Christmas deadline, which is a tad ironic considering the atmosphere and setting of SQQ. However, you can actually access a tiny bit of it: if you return to the school, you'll see it's disappeared and when you enter it, an FMV of the school surrounded by three towers and a peak plays. Snickety remarks how confusing this must have been for American players at the time since the actual steps to activate the quest were cut out.
With cheats you can access it, but it's a glitchy, nonsensical mess. I mention all this because of the glitchy theme in Deltarune so far, especially as a result of Noelle's seeming magnetism for the unnerving and dark as revealed in the Spamton sweepstakes and Noelle's posts. I think the details of SQQ and Snowgrave are too disprate to draw real parallels so far, but I get the feeling Toby is drawing from its atmosphere, especially the disconcerting aura of the original American release and the stray FMV. As for the glitchiness, I get the feeling it was all concentrated into Spamton, especially given Spamton's role in the game so far.
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I haven't gone through P1 in a very long time, so this is where my rambling ends, but perhaps someone else can draw deeper parallels.
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The only real problem is I have no idea how much of Megami Tensei Toby Fox has played. He's a weeb of high caliber, so I imagine he's gone through most of it by now, maybe even early Persona, given how UT's and DT's Talk systems were inspired by MegaTen's demon negotiation, which was present in P1 and the P2 duology, which certainly lines up with his age and background. After all, he gave the Earthbound: Halloween Hack that "Shin Megami Tensei Bullshit."
Also everyone here should check out the PSX OST. It has the best leitmotif.
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New personality test: in portal revolution did you solve 6-6 the fun way or the boring way
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The Two Auteurs in a nutshell
Auteur: If you see me talking to myself, go away! I’m self-employed and we’re having a staff meeting!
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my half life 3 pitch
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Now back to my usual nonsense, a stupid redrawing of that one Gooseworx drawing.
plus more Chujin doodles cuz i love this goober-
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bottom right is Nerd to Nerd communication
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The Church on Ruby Road Spoilers!
I love how 15 just straight up fucking skewers the Goblin King on the Ruby Road Church steeple like holy fuck we're back in business.
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poor guy put his whole heart and soul into protecting the underground just to get fired!!! SILLY GOOBER WAS JUST TRYING HIS BEST
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Improvement Hell day 15: Draw three 'action' scenes with different compositions in each
I didn't have a lot of ideas for this, which is a bad excuse. Also idk what this means by different composition so I likely failed to do that.
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This is based on something me and RoosterM3at were talking about. Essentially that there'd likely be a power vacuum after Eli is killed, because he was the leader of the resistance. This leads to a lot of bickering between the more hot headed characters over what needs to be done. Magnusson looks down on Barneys intelligence because he just sees him as a soldier and a security-guard, which Barney can't stand, partially because he can't stand Dr Magnusson in general. Kody insisted that Barney would throw hands with Magnusson because of this.
I've just realised I may have accidentally done the next prompt as well, which was to make a comic...
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Also did these because there needed to be 3 things right?
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that one twitter meme lol
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I mean, Chujin might be haunting the narrative, but Gaster's pretty much editing the narrative as of Deltarune.
Gaster when he's in a "haunting the narrative" competition and Chujin enters the room:
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where did you get the aperture 70s logo versions of the 80s posters (the ones with the robots) shown in the hammer fuckery f-stop style 70’s chamber videos? did you make the changes yourself?
You can find them in the Portal Mapping and Modding Discord, along with a alot of custom assets
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Silurian Speculative Ancestry
Prelude – Meta-Origins of Silurians
It is of note that the Silurians, upon original development, were very much intended to effectively be ‘dinosaur people’. With their reptilian appearance being indicative of the pre-Avian, pre-Jurassic Park reptilian dinosaur conception. Though with JP-style avian dinosaurs being depicted in both the new VFX version of Invasion of the Dinosaurs and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship among others, as well as the newer designs of the Silurians themselves, make such an origin retroactively very tenuous in Universe.
Their two names from their first couple of stories, ‘Silurians’ and ‘Eocenes’, reflect two eras of history in which they are implied to originate, though both raise massive chronological problems with regards to how their depicted, especially in later works but even in their early ones. The Silurian era (444-415 million years ago) predates the emergence of reptiles entirely (310-320 million years ago) whereas the Eocene (56-34 million years ago) postdates the Dinosaurs but also still predates humanity (300,000 years ago), the homo genus (2.8 million years ago) and Hominids (22 million years ago).
And the ‘Silurian dating controversy’ only gets worse the more Silurian stories got written over time, as various pieces of media date them anywhere between less than 1 million years ago to 65 million years ago to 1 billion years ago (Which is pre Multicellular life). This exacerbated by the idea that the Moon’s capture was the reason for the Silurian hibernation, a theory that was since superseded by the Theia impact theory in modern scientific consensus and either way would have been dated to the early Solar System.
Thus for the interest of Speculative Biology I have thrown out all specific absolute dates and specific geological events associated with the Silurians in favour of hashing together an origin that makes conceptual sense for the Silurians as a prehistoric sentient Earthbound species based on what knowledge of modern biology I happen to have, as well as what jives with the overall ideas of the DWU.
Speculative Evolution
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Speciation
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Scientific Name – Colloquial Identifier for this writeup (DWU Name/Origin Story)
Genus
Bipeslacertia – Reptilian Kindred (Earth Reptiles)
Species
Bipeslacertia vehemenus – Primitive Ancestor (Primitive Ancestor)
Bipeslacertia volans – “Winged Kindred” (Winged Earth Reptiles)
Bipeslacertia diabolus – Sea Devils (Sea Devils)
Bipeslacertia homines – Silurians (Silurians)
Subspecies (Winged Kindred)
Bipeslacertia volans mortuus – “Paleocenes” (Winged Species – Adolescence of Time)
Bipeslacertia volans malakhi – Wyrm Callers (Wyrm infected Paleocenes)
Bipeslacertia volans vivus – “Winged Kindred” (TM: A Morphology)
Subspecies (Sea Devil)
Bipeslacertia diabolus sicutsimiae – Late Sea Devils (Comic Sea Devils)
Bipeslacertia diabolus abastrius – Sea Kings (Mondasian Sea Devils)
Bipeslacertia diabolus sicuturtus – Early Sea Devils (Normal Sea Devils)
Bipeslacertia diabolus reditius – “Devolved Ones” (Inhabitants of the Nameless City – HP Lovecraft/Faction Paradox)
Subspecies (Silurian)
Bipeslacertia homines malus – Serad-dur (Serad-dur)
“Scholar” Caste
Bipeslacertia homines augurius – Fair Folk (Fair Folk- The Shadows of Avalon)
Bipeslacertia homines sapentia – “Senior” Silurians (Chibnall’s original classic style redesign – Cold Blood)
Bipeslacertia homines rostrata – “Middle” Silurians (Warriors of the Deep Silurians)
Bipeslacertia homines gravius – “Horned Kindred” (Bulky Horned Herbivorous Silurians – TM A Morphology)
Bipeslacertia homines labia – “Early” Silurians (Original Classic Who Silurians)
Bipeslacertia homines abastrius – Lizard Kings (Lizard Kings – Mondas)
“Warrior” Caste (Alternatively “Hunter” Caste)
Bipeslacertia homines anguis – “Junior” Silurians (Silurian Hunters – Supremacy of the Cybermen)
Bipeslacertia homines sapiens – “Late” Silurians (New Who Silurians)
Notes
Bipeslacertia vehemenus is considered by the Reptilian Kindred to be an ancestor species and not part of the ‘Reptilian Kindred’ themselves, it is however considered to be in the same genus biologically.
Bipeslacertia volans mortuus was the earliest sapient subspecies to diverge from the Reptilian Kindred and the first to develop a civilisation, but was however rendered extinct by the Wyrm (Alongside the Wyrm mutated Bipeslacertia volans malakhi)
The Reptilian Kindred consider themselves to have five extant ‘Classes/Castes’
Sea Devil
Scholar
Warrior
Winged Kindred
Serad-Dur
And do not consider any greater subgroupings such as the ‘Silurian/Sea Devil two species grouping’ or the ‘Scholar/Warrior single species hypothesis’ as valid, from their perspective, the five main classes are considered the maximal groupings of Reptilian Kindred outside of the sole group that includes all of them, with the term ‘Silurian’ (Alternatively Earth Reptile or Saurian) being used to refer to all five rather than just the Scholar and Warrior castes.
The original Reptilian Kindred diverged from the ancestor of the Helodermatidae family of venomous lizards in the late Cretaceous, with the Bipeslacertia genus itself diverging from the rest of the family with the origin of its bipedal stance in the early Paleocene, just after the KT Extinction Event.
Most accounts of Reptilian Kindred-Dinosaur cohabitation are either later palimpsests (The Reptilian Kindred were a time active power during the Time Wars era, with an individual of Bipeslacertia homines sapiens appearing in the Alliance of Races alongside Rassilon) or instances of Reptilian Kindred bioengineering in the Eocene and Oligocene rather than true Jurassic-Cretaceous era native Reptilian Kindred species.
Their technological civilisation emerged in the Eocene, after the divergence between the “Scholar” and “Warrior” castes of Silurians but before full speciation.
Their full classification is
Domain: Eukaryota
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Reptilia
Order: Squamata
(Potential Clade: Toxicofera)
Suborder: Anguimorpha
Infraorder: Neoanguimorpha
Clade: Monstersauria
Family: Bipeslacertidae
Genus: Bipeslacertia
The emergence order of distinct subspecies was as follows
Cretaceous (145-65 mya)
Split of Bipeslacertidae from Helodermatidae
Paleocene (65-56 mya)
Bipeslacertia splits from the rest of the (extinct) Bipeslacertiadae genera, they are separately characterised by their bipedal stance as opposed to other lizard species.
Spilt of ancestor species from the rest of Bipeslacertia
Bipeslacertia volans splits from the rest of Bipeslacertia
Silurian-Sea Devil Split
“Paleocenes” split from Bipeslacertia volans, “Paleocene” civilisation forms (mostly) above the clouds.
“Paleocene” extinction at the hands of the Wyrm
Reptilian Kindred Civilisations first form.
Extinction of ancestor species
Eocene (56-34 mya)
Serad-Dur split from Silurians
“Early” and “Late” Sea Devils Split
Scholar-Warrior Split, emergence of Scholar Third Eye
Reptilian Kindred Civilisation reaches technological level
Fair Folk Split after Silurians are transported to Avalon
Oligocene (34-23 mya)
“Senior Silurians” split from Scholar caste
 Scholar Caste splits into “Early” and “Middle” Silurians
The Inhabitants of the Nameless City split from the “Early” Sea Devils and devolve, eventually disappearing entirely under the shallow seas of north Africa.
“Early” Silurians and “Early” Sea Devils end up on Mondas and begin to diverge
 “Junior” and “Late” Silurians split
Miocene (23-5.3 mya)
Speciation begins to slow down due to civilisation technological advancement
Reptilian Kindred civilisation enters hibernation due to disaster (Either the newest Moon or a planetoid close passage unrelated to the Moon)
Pliocene (5.3-2.6 mya)
Various apes modified and bred by the Reptilian Kindred begin to develop to fill the ecological niche left by the Reptilian Kindred’s hibernation.
Pleistocene (2.6 mya – 11,700 ya)
Evolution of Homo Sapien Sapiens (humans).
Holocene (11,700 ya – 1712)
Various sporadic reawakenings that are almost always killed off by the newly developed humans.
1500 BCE – Atlantis is destroyed, the Nameless City is forced above the ocean in Africa and the inhabitants are rendered (mostly) extinct
Anthropocene (1712 – 500,000 yf)
(25th Century) Reptilian Kindred civilisation reawakens and is forced to cohabitate the planet with the human civilisation.
Relinquecene (500,000 yf – 2 myf)
Reptilian Kindred and humanity mostly abandon Earth for the first significant geological time (Previous abandonments had happened temporarily for much shorter timespans), whilst they would make sporadic returns, from this point onwards the Earth was allowed to evolutionarily develop without its previous intelligent species. (This is when the Haemovores evolve)
Perdicene (2 myf – 10 myf)
Earth was lost, and began being known by different names including Ravalox, Orphan 55 and Tellus. This is the point in which the Reptilian Kindred became no longer tied to Earth as a homeworld beyond as a cultural factoid (Unlike humanity who consistently returned and remained conceptually tied to it until its destruction in 10 myf and the start of the Posthuman era).
This writeup for the most part, only covers the Extant subspecies of Reptilian Kindred and does not account for the unknown species and subspecies that went extinct prior to the Anthropocene (nor the other extinct Bipeslacertiadae genera) with the exception of Bipeslacertia vehemenus, identified only due to Vastra’s devolution into one during ‘The Evolution Episode’ due to exposure to temporal radiation, the Mondasian species which were documented by both the Homo Sapien contra (Mondasians) and the Mondasian Cybermen and Bipeslacertia volans mortuus, an early intelligent extinct species documented by Bernice Summerfield and Peter Summerfield.
I basically ignored most direct years given in DWU sources when doing this in favour of trying to work out something that conceptually made the most sense (IMO). Since DWU sources give Silurian origin or even civilisation years as far back as 450 mya, in the Ordovician, Pre-Reptiles, which is not conducive to trying to actually do speculative biology with, and the less said about 'They predate complex life entirely' the better.
I went with Eocene - Miocene because references to the Dinosaurs can always have been post-Cretaceous genetic engineering stuff (They have the tech) but references to "apes" should be theoretically constrained to early human evolution in the Miocene and Pliocene, and the idea that the Silurians existed for the entirety of the Ordovician, Silurian, Devonian, Carboniferous, Permian, Triassic, Jurassic, Cretaceous, Paleocene, Eocene, Oligocene and Miocene was... kinda ridiculous IMO for this exercise.
Subspecies Visualisation
Bipeslacertia vehemenus – Primitive Ancestor (Primitive Ancestor)
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Subspecies (Winged Kindred)
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Bipeslacertia volans malakhi – Wyrm Callers (Wyrm infected Paleocenes)
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Bipeslacertia volans vivus – “Winged Kindred” (A Morphology)
But the wreck, first seen from the air by a migratory tribe of the flying kindred en route from the tropical swelter of the Oriental Archipelago to the temperate climes of the Austral Spur, had confirmed to the profile of no known vessel from any of the saurian kindred, and Morrahaurm had been the only specialist available. And so, with many misgivings, she had embarked.
(The Book of the Enemy - Only reference)
Subspecies (Sea Devil)
Bipeslacertia diabolus sicutsimiae – Late Sea Devils (Comic Sea Devils)
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Bipeslacertia diabolus abastrius – Sea Kings (Mondasian Sea Devils)
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Bipeslacertia diabolus sicuturtus – Early Sea Devils (Normal Sea Devils)
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Bipeslacertia diabolus reditius – “Devolved Ones” (Inhabitants of the Nameless City – HP Lovecraft/Faction Paradox)
They were of the reptile kind, with body lines suggesting sometimes the crocodile, sometimes the seal, but more often nothing of which either the naturalist or the palaeontologist ever heard. In size they approximated a small man, and their fore-legs bore delicate and evident feet curiously like human hands and fingers. But strangest of all were their heads, which presented a contour violating all know biological principles. To nothing can such things be well compared - in one flash I thought of comparisons as varied as the cat, the bullfrog, the mythic Satyr, and the human being. Not Jove himself had had so colossal and protuberant a forehead, yet the horns and the noselessness and the alligator-like jaw placed things outside all established categories.
Subspecies (Silurian)
Bipeslacertia homines malus – Serad-dur (Serad-dur)
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“Scholar” Caste
Bipeslacertia homines augurius – Fair Folk (Fair Folk- The Shadows of Avalon)
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Bipeslacertia homines sapentia – “Senior” Silurians (Chibnall’s original classic style redesign – Cold Blood)
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Bipeslacertia homines rostrata – “Middle” Silurians (Warriors of the Deep Silurians)
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Bipeslacertia homines gravius – “Horned Kindred” (Bulky Horned Herbivorous Silurians – A Morphology)
Her mass alone would have made Morrahaurm the most conspicuous individual on board, even without the horns and crest majestically adorning her high forehead. Among her own she was known as a beauty, a graceful dancer and no mean athlete: here she was simply a bulky, lumbering target.
(The Book of the Enemy)
Bipeslacertia homines labia – “Early” Silurians (Original Classic Who Silurians)
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Bipeslacertia homines abastrius – Lizard Kings (Lizard Kings – Mondas)
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“Warrior” Caste (Alternatively “Hunter” Caste)
Bipeslacertia homines anguis – “Junior” Silurians (Silurian Hunters – Supremacy of the Cybermen)
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Bipeslacertia homines sapiens – “Late” Silurians (New Who Silurians)
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Notes on the Meta-history of Earth Reptiles
The natural evolution of most species on Earth was a by-product of the anchoring of the thread, when the Time Lords locked down the rational Universe and rewrote all of history to suit their new rules. In the pre anchoring Universe, humanity was created using Time Lord Looms by the Original Mammoths, a powerful, psychic and magical sapient species that rivalled the Time Lords in the pre-Universe.
Whilst we have pretty much no knowledge of the Silurians from that era, we do know that they were a Time Active power in the Alliance of Races during the Time Wars era, shortly after the anchoring. Implying some kind of time active power, which would explain their appearances in eras of Earth history predating the one in which they originally developed in the Time Lord dominated rational Universe. It is, however, also of note that the vast majority of other more recent (in Universe) accounts depict the Silurians as a mildly advanced mostly stagnant species with very little space travel capabilities most likely indicating at some point between Gallifrey’s ancient past and relative present that the Silurians time active civilisation was erased from history. It is possible they experienced some equivalent of the Ghost Point (The point in which humanity became culturally sterile and stopped meaningfully advancing as a civilisation) though more extreme as humanity was still able to traditionally, if not conceptually, advance whereas the Silurians grew complacent and stagnant for presumably millions of years.
It is of note that New Who consistently depicts the Silurians as both coexisting natively with Dinosaurs and knowing humanities Ape ancestors despite an ~60 million year gap between the two eras. There are numerous potential explanations for this including human evolution occurring over a much longer period in the DWU relative to real life, the effects of the Last Great Time War on the history of Earth, genetic engineering resurrection of Dinosaurs in the Eocene-Miocene and potentially Silurian related dates being actually in months rather than years.
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rememberingcitadel · 4 months
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Friend pointed out that I really should of done the Lebron Sprite Cranberry meme here soo
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The 15th Doctor is giving you a Whopper from Burger King
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The 15th Doctor is giving you a Whopper from Burger King
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look i'm not opposed to the unit we see in new who, but there is just something special about the idea of unit being, like, six guys in a shed with walkie talkies
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Lucy going for round 2
Russel you bastard man
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Don't do this to us again
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