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Not a hot take, but I'm 100% on board with people who say that Flay's sexuality is put on display on purpose to further juxtapose her with Lacus' pure image.
Becausee....for all her being written as an understandably flawed character, the more misogynistic fans only remember her for sleeping with Kira and nothing else.
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Day Five - Kira Yamato/Flay Allster (Mobile Suit Gundam SEED)
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What if 'Gundam SEED' was told from Flay's point of view? How would they approach it? Would it have been better?
i think SEED did a good job of showing how she changed as a person over the course of the series and tbh i wouldn't really change much about her arc, it would probably be a little like Gundam 0080 because she's not really involved with the mecha action that much
could be interesting! how would you have done it?
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Oooh interesting idea. I'm not sure if it would work as well though, since Fllay's er... relationship early on with Kira was kind of a surprise to everyone else.
And while I would like to see what she was up to from when Rau took her to when she reappeared again, we'd miss basically the entire arc of the Archangel crew forging their own path. Again, I think the viewer were supposed to be surprised along with Kira when she reappeared.
It would be interesting to hear her thoughts and motivations, but I think Fllay works better as an enigma to the viewer and Kira sometimes
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That ... Is an interesting thought. I never thought about it since I didn't really like how manipulative she was towards others around her and her one-sided ideals. Poor Kira never deserved to be toyed around by her.
But it would seem like it would be in a point of view of a civilian that is in a mid-crisis. Though I think it would be really difficult if they show her PoV early in the story because all she is doing is either spacing the hell out in her dorm room, searching desperately for Kira, sitting down and contemplating about how Coordinators are bullshit.
Although, I think what would have been better would be showing her PoV when she was taken into a different military facility halfway through SEED. That way, it will show more of her character progression rather than being afraid left and right with snippets of being a "hostage". Because at that point, she didn't seem to be that much important for me to care about her.
... I am not gonna lie, I am one sided with her so all I can see from Flay, is that she ... Kind of deserved her karma.
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Oooh that’s a really cool idea! Would Flay like pilot a mobile suit or would she just be like herself? It’d be a little odd if like the main character of Gundam couldn’t pilot a mobile suit.
also would she still be as manipulative/hateful of space people (can’t remember what they call them in seed lol) from the get go? She’s kinda fucked at the start of the show but like she does redeem herself.
Tbh I’m a bad person to ask cause I kinda really like Kira as a main character, I like how much he cries and like how wacky he’s written
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im assuming you're sending this to anyone you see in the gundam seed tag, but my personal opinion is that while it would be a different way of telling the story (and that has value!) it'd be better done as a spinoff if anything at all. kira's POV is extremely important to the narrative and removing him from it would be INCREDIBLY difficult without completely changing the story being told. flay is an essential piece of the puzzle and i love how complex she is and how she slowly changes over the course of the series, and i REALLY wish they hadn't killed her off (a major injury instead, maybe?) but from what we know of her i don't think she has the ability to carry the narrative on her back the way kira does. the story, and conflict, is derived from kira's internal conflict, and flay's internal conflict is completely different because her allegiance lies solely with the naturals. i don't think it could be done without massively changing her character, at which point i would say... just make a new character? or a new story altogether. SHRUGS
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What if 'Gundam SEED' was told from Flay's point of view? How would they approach it? Would it have been better?
Are you really going around asking anyone that posts about Gundam SEED this question?
Look, I'm a big fan of Flay even though she's absolutely an awful person in so many ways, but I don't necessarily think it would have been better. It would have been different. You're looking at having a protagonist who is very much somewhere between deuteragonist and tertiary character in the current story (I don't think she's quite an antagonist, though she does have some of those characteristics). Which, while it would be an interesting story it wouldn't be a Gundam story exactly, so I don't think it would work as well. TBH, Gundam wouldn't be Gundam if the main characters weren't fighting in giant robots, and Flay would be an observer or assist in the fight rather than an active participant. Maybe if you made it like a 10 episode side story. Fact is, if you stuck Flay in a giant robot as she is in the show she'd die asap.
Okay, but fr I don't understand why you keep asking people this question, like, idk, chill?
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Wow. This is a difficult question for me. It has been years since I last saw all the episodes of Gundam seed. I only have a few episodes on my computer. When I first saw Flay. Spoiled, Narcissistic and Racist. She blamed all misfortunes on coordinators. Even though she ignored that some of her people killed innocent civilians too. Like what war does to all sides.
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I hated how she blamed Kira for failing to protect her loved ones and her late father. But, when she died I still hated her. Her personality was annoying. But, she stopped being racist and close minded. She now realized she was wrong and not everyone has a perfect group.
She reminds me of Gabi Braun from SNK. Ignorant and stubborn to hate her enemies and justify it and claim herself holy and right.
Her POV would have made the series better. The goodie two shoes usually are always telling the story and not by corrupted and stupid people like Flay. People would have hated Coordinators because of her POV but after her death few will change their opinions.
So, in the end. The villains labeled by Flay's eyes would not have been loved or forgiven or even understood if Flay was the main character.
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It would certainly make for an interesting, if bittersweet, side story. Seeing Flay’s perspective as she goes from a scared, racist child trying to kill Kira to falling in love with him, becoming brave enough to defy Azrael, and comforting Kira before she goes to the afterlife does have potential, provided it doesn’t change canon.
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Hey it's you again! I've finally finished the show so I can answer this better (maybe.)
Spoilers for a twenty year old show ig.
Sooooo Flay sure did die at the end, eh? She was an interesting character as maybe the main source of the melodrama but in the end they did her kind of dirty by killing her off, like the emotional impact just didn't work.
Telling the story from her pov would maybe make the ending land a bit better and hearing her thoughts more when she was kidnapped by Le Creuse would be at the very least interesting.
But idk if any of that would make the series better. Different for sure but not necessarily better. Her dealing with her father's death and her hatred of coordinators was handled well enough for me.
Maybe the only sticking point was that her using Kira was just kind of waved off by everyone including Kira himself.
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Interesting ask, nonny! I can see it as a story about a girl getting swept up in the war, not as someone who can fight like Kira and Athrun but someone who can use and manipulate others through political and emotional motives. I'd like to delve more into what she was thinking about coordinators and Kira; such as her confusion and anger, yet wanting someone to share the experience with. To Flay, I think Kira was the safest AND most dangerous person to be around, and she kind of flip flops between wanting to use his protection and being afraid of his power at the same time. Not sure if it would be better or worse, just a different angle on the same story. There are a lot of POVs they could have told (and still probably can). Thanks!
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Honestly, a good portion of SEED was already from Flay's POV as it was and until they introduced even bigger monsters than her it did little to make her sympathetic. If it were entirely from her POV without changing anything else I don't think the show would have lasted past the midway mark with how hateful she was.
That being said, if it were me, I'd go the "unreliable narrator" route with a dash of psychosis induced hallucinations with a late first cour reveal that all we as the audience had been shown, with our anti-"heroine" Flay just trying to survive, was fake. She was actually a manipulative monster who'd basically groomed Kira into being a killer for her.
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I honestly can't see that being any better than having Kira as the protagonist, or done well in general, but I don't like Gundam Seed so I don't have much of an opinion either way orz
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ANOOOONNNDJWKFKW MY HAND SLAPPED OVER MY MOUTH. GUNDAM SEED TALK ON MY KPOP X READER BLOG….. IM OBSESSED W U LET’S GET INTO IT .
to be honest with you i didn't rewatch seed during my latest viewing of seed destiny so i can't say i remember enough to have a In-Depth analysis about the successes and failures of seed But! that being said in retrospect i actually really like flay? i like what they do with her character and i like her role in the story. i like that she's meant to be an asshole and more than a little of a bitch but it's never unsympathetic (unjustified maybe) and i like how her being rich and sheltered and YOUNG (i'm pretty sure the girl is literally 14 when the series starts) plays into how she reacts to the events of seed ... like the war is Not kind to her in the slightest. she's such a good character that explores the civilian side of war and how hatred can so easily twist into your very being if you don't know any better (or you're not given the opportunity to know any better)... i love her!! and i love her redemption arc at the end!
that being said, i actually don't think making flay the protagonist would have been better ,,, a large part of seed (and extends to seed destiny) is the relationship between kira and athrun; how your enemy is just those who happen to be on the other side of the battlefield, the cycle of violence and how it continues to be exacerbated in the name of revenge, etc etc. i think it's important that s/sd are told from the pov of the soldiers because of that? also because i just think the kira-athrun conflict throughout the series is soooo .... </3 i love my star-crossed bffs .
to be fair i think if flay was the protagonist it would have been a lot more of a character drama than it already is but i feel like they explore her character well as is in the anime? she has such a pinnacle role in kira's character i can't really see her being expanded in a better way than that! also i'm ngl the anti-coordinator bigotry flay has in like . probably the first third of the anime is already a hard pill to swallow as a side character idk if i could go through seed with her as the main character HSDFJLDSFKJJ like i already don't like kira!!! the beginning of seed is hard enough to get through with him as the protagonist!!!!
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What if 'Gundam SEED' was told from Flay's point of view? How would they approach it? Would it have been better?
Honestly, I don't know how I can answer that! I'm not the biggest fan of Flay (I think she is a spoiled-ass bitch that doesn't deserve to lick the bottom of a toilet!) No, the show would not have been better. In fact, it probably wouldn't be a recognizable Gundam series. That is NOT to say a female lead is wrong! The Gundam series needs strong female lead characters, and Flay is just too weak and manipulative to fit that role. Lacus would be a better choice, although she is also manipulative in her own way.
What I simply can't answer is how they would approach the series from Flay's POV. That answer eludes me, but as I said previously, it wouldn't be recognizable as a Gundam series. I just don't know.
I am sorry if that doesn't answer your question, but that is what I think.
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Not "better" from my point of view because she's the character I dislike the most, sorry anon.
I have trouble seeing how they would have approached it.
If we are seeing things from her point of view, I guess we would have been presented with a very black and withe word. "The coordinators are abominations, no redeeming qualities, the only thing they do is try to kill us and the universe would be a perfect place without them" vs "we naturals didn't do anything wrong ever, we have absolutely nothing in common with the coordinators and don't deserve all we are going through".
The nuances Gundam is also known for wouldn't have been present, at least for the first part of the story.
But given that Gundam is anti-war and all for mutual understanding, I think by the end of the series she would have stopped being a racist, and probably regretted emotionally manipulating Kira (as well as fixing her other many bad sides that are not as serious as the two above mentioned).
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