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when jonathan says “you know what? you are a freak” and will snaps out of his self-pity long enough to stare at jonathan like he has all the audacity in the world 😭😭😭
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Idk man but the implications of them deliberately showing El standing up from her chair during their fight, vs Will going to sit down next to Mike to put himself at his level, and then eye to eye in almost every scene thereafter, even at the expense of Michael's spine...
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The way Jonathan’s speech wasn’t just “it’s okay that you’re gay; I love you regardless”. It was “gayness aside, I am here to talk about Mike. Something is causing you pain and you feel like you can’t talk to me because you’re scared of my reaction to one of the details of why it’s hurting you but I am a safe space to seek comfort and experience pain. No questions asked.” They way Jonathan wasn’t just trying to comfort fear. The way he looked at Will in the s3 ily scene, he’s known or suspected for a minute. He only actually brought it up now to get rid of the obstacle keeping his brother from talking to him about what was hurting him.
The way it wasn’t just about Will hurting out of keeping the secret. The way it wasn’t just about acceptance and unconditional love. The way it was about acceptance and unconditional love as a basis to just get out of the way so Will’s secret stopped spreading and making him keep other things that were hurting a secret.
The way Jonathan has still never confronted him about his sexuality because he understands that that conversation should be on his own time. The way that he kept it ambiguous so it wouldn’t be scary. The way that that conversation was about balancing keeping Will feeling safe in his emotions by both feeling like could share them and feeling like he didn’t have to.
The way Jonathan saw his brother was keeping a secret from him but said “it’s about him not me and he’ll come to me when he’s ready” then saw that something else was hurting him that he knew Will would refuse to talk to him about because of the respected secret and came to him with “We do not have to talk about the first thing. You haven’t come to me with it so I assume you don’t want to yet. But I see you, and you want to - need to - talk about the second thing. Know that you’re allowed to and I won’t ask questions about the first.”
The way that that hug for Will wasn’t just catharsis of knowing he was loved unconditionally because that wasn’t what the conversation was, it was only a gateway. He was basking in a combination of feeling loved unconditionally and safe and being able to silently admit by crying into Jonathan, “it hurts”.
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byler be like don’t quietly yearn for your best friend challenge[IMPOSSIBLE]
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"i love the fruity four"
bro which one
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“”excuse me, SIR????””
mike’s mom isn’t the only Karen in the Wheeler family. look at him. mike wants to speak to the manager. his boyfriend is HUNGRY this is UNACCEPTABLE. he will be leaving a BAD YELP REVIEW.
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stranger things characters as textposts part 1 because I had to make these
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when will and mike are arguing and murray comes in and says “what’s going on here, lover’s quarrel?”
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something that drives me absolutely bonkers is the fact that if will was a girl, byler would be so so obvious to the GA and everyone and their dog would be shipping it.
Like the airport scene?? If will was a girl??? Every cishet GA surface level viewer of the show would have IMMEDIATELY picked up on byler endgame. Instantly. Because there’s no other excuse for Mike’s behaviour outside of him having feelings for will + being jealous about the painting thing.
The bedroom conversation scene??? The triple take when burying the body?? The painting scene?? If will was a girl, literally nobody would be disputing byler endgame. If you changed NOTHING about will and mike’s dynamic except for Will’s gender, everyone would be clamouring for byler. And it drives me nuts.
The byler evidence isn’t even subtext or deep dives or colour coding or in depth analysis, as wonderful as those things are. It’s clear, obvious text that is slapped right in our faces throughout the show. But homophobia and heteronormativity get in the way of seeing that for so many people.
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I am endlessly amused by side characters who provide valuable assistance with big plot stuff (on multiple occasions I might add), but have absolutely no clue about the upside down or any of the supernatural stuff. Like they're just minding their own business, Dustin and his friends give them a call to ask a weird question with no context, and then they go back to their lives.
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mike getting all excited and happy because of a 20 sided dice will never not be adorable
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If Will was still in Hawkins during s4 not only would he have gone to Lucas's game, but he would have convinced all of hellfire to come too
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Resource for fic writers
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Click the source link for for full res (I hope that works, anyway). I spent entirely too much time on this. Help.
I traced this off the map from the companion (the one Hopper used to track rotting crops in S2), which was in turn clearly (and badly) traced from a map of Marion, Indiana. It was nearly incomprehensible once I dug into it, so I made some judicious adjustments. Those adjustments + my logic around the locations I included are below the cut.
The problem:
Whoever made Hopper's map clearly duplicated neighborhoods to make it look "a little" different from Marion, but didn't bother to erase the text associated with what they copied, didn't change landmark names, didn't think about how the river running through Marion would shape its structure in a way that Hawkins wouldn't need, and didn't bother to ask why major thoroughfares ended in nonsensical ways. Sometimes the copied parts just…cut right through words and they didn't even notice. ("Washington School" on the Hawkins map is actually "Washington School Apartments" in Marion, for example, and there's a place where "High School" was cropped to "High Sch." Many others.) They also replaced a hiking path with a second rail line. HELP. More amusing than obnoxious: I'm pretty sure Starcourt only exists because that's where there's a big mall in Marion and they decided not to remove it.
Additional issues: There are two other canonical maps of Hawkins. One was in the Mayor's office or house (I forget which). The other is the paper one Jonathon and Nancy used to track the demogorgon in S1. Neither of these maps align with Hopper's map literally at all. Therefore, I am ignoring the existence of both with the exception of one thing, which I will discuss later.
Please pour one out for my sanity, folks, I was fuckin' losing it trying to make this make sense.
My solution:
What you see here is extremely close to what they gave us, with some adjustments to make the town actually make sense. Major roads extended to explain why they exist at all, some roads added in, others removed.
Road Names
The road names you see here are congruent with Hopper's map, with a few exceptions.
Holland
I added this based on Reefer Rick's address and the direction of the water gate opening in the S4 finale
Old Highway 77
On the fandom wiki (I hate fandom SO MUCH, but it's thorough) it's described as running past Starcourt. Prospect was the only major thoroughfare that made sense, so I followed the same logic I saw in the small town I grew up in (A highway became "main street" through town, then changed back to the highway number on the outskirts).
Cherry Oak Lane
I chose this location based on the images of Scoops Troop looking down at Starcourt from Cerebro. Why Billy would be driving on this road when his house AND the Byers were in the complete opposite direction is a question for the ages, but I'll take specific visual cues over nebulous logic in this case.
"Mirkwood"
This is mentioned as being near "Kerley and Cornwallis" but the only time it's actually shown on a map is when Jonathon and Nancy are tracking the demogorgon—and the rest of that map doesn't line up with anything we've known about Hawkins before or since that scene. Therefore I took the location of Hawkins Lab and the knowledge that Will used it as a shortcut, and built out what you see here. See also: Harringtons and Byers.
Locations
Some of the labeled locations are specifically canon. Others are best guesses based on logic, references in the show, and in a couple of cases, my own preference.
Harringtons and Byers
It's popular fanon that Steve lives in Loch Nora, but it doesn't fit with canon. The one part of the Jonathon and Nancy map scene that made sense (or rather, must be considered, as that was the basis for their season 1 plot line) was that the Harringtons, the Byers, and the location of Will's bike were in close proximity with each other and the Hawkins Lab. Additionally, Steve's house is surrounded by woods and the Byers' residence has a gravel road leading up to it/is surrounded by overgrowth. Both houses seem relatively isolated.
Based on this I put the Byers to the west of the lab, with an access road leading away from town (to explain why Will was trespassing on Mirkwood instead of the "correct" route), and the Harringtons across Cornwallis to keep it...sort of maybe...visually compliant with that portion of Jonathon's map.
I figure Will took Mirkwood down to that last bend before the fence, then pushed (or rode) his bike through the woods to get home. My thought process is supported by the fact that even while absolutely terrified he still knew how to get home through the woods from where he lost his bike, and he didn't appear to be super out of breath when he got there.
Hawkins Lab
I didn't change much from Hopper's map, other than extending the area the lab controls. I didn't necessarily have to do that, but it allowed me to push the Byers' house a little further away from the actual lab but still be plausible for Will to take a shortcut through Mirkwood.
The Buckleys
There is absolutely nothing in canon that specifies where Robin lives, but I figure she must: a) live far enough away from both Hawkins High and Family Video that getting a ride would be useful and b) live close enough to Steve for him to reasonably drive her around. Any place in that triangle between Cornwallis, Cherry, and the railroad would do, so don't take that specific choice as hard canon.
Hargroves
The Hargroves were ostensibly located at 4819 Cherry St. Logically, this means they're located between 4th and 5th Ave on Cherry. There are two problems with this:
A) There are three different locations with the street number 4819. It's clearly the Duffers' default and therefore not as important as the street name. B) It would put them immediately adjacent to the railroad. I don't remember seeing tracks in the background in the scenes at their house, so I just…moved'em down a block.
The Hendersons
We have no location indicators for the Hendersons other than that live between the Wheelers and the Byers. I traced a route between the two houses thinking about how kids make decisions, and landed on the spot I chose because it's simple to get there: down Cherry, through the park, down the unnamed big street next to Mulberry, across 4th. I figure if Will had to turn out of his way to get there, then Dustin wouldn't have offered to race him. I didn't put him further north because it would put him too close to the arcade.
The Hideaway / Melvald's / Downtown Hawkins
I placed the Hideaway based on the shot of Mulberry and Melvald's that we get in The Body in Season 1. I DIDN'T place Melvald's because it went out of business due to Starcourt and that place already has a lot of stuff going on.
Point of curiosity: I'm pretty sure the Hideaway and the Hideout were supposed to be the same bar (they just got the name wrong in S4 ) because Hawkins is too damn small to have two dive bars with nearly the same name. However, the Hideaway was filled with pool tables and is a block from the police station, so I decided to just roll with it. Why not?
The other labels in this area were all on Hopper's map and generally make sense, so I left them as-is.
The Hideout
This is 100% my own fanon preference. Feel free to disregard. I chose the location based on the fact that it's a straight shot down from Factory Ave (where, I figure, there are factories), near one of the only logical locations for a Hawkins train yard, and just far enough away from "downtown" and the police to get away with allowing an amateur metal band to play on Tuesday nights.
The Hospital
The hospital was on Hopper's map, but there seems to be some conflict over what it's actually named. Is it Hawkins General? Is it Hawkins Memorial? Both have been used in show. Again…does a small town need TWO hospitals? I don't think so… I gave up on making sense of it and left the specific name off the map.
Skull Rock
The location information we were given for this was that it was near enough to Lover's Lake for Eddie to walk/run there in a panic, yet also near enough to town for teenagers to use as a makeout spot. I chose a spot that made sense to me.
Junk Yard
Another location chosen on logic and inference rather than any specific canon information. The junk yard was in an isolated location (no town in sight) and close enough to Hawkins Lab for demogorgons to both come from and head to that direction. I chose this location because it felt far enough away that the party wouldn't think to mention the lab, but still accessible to people who want to get rid of stuff.
Reefer Rick's
Could be anywhere around Lover's Lake, but I chose this spot because the water gate split through a decent chunk of the lake to get to Hawkins…and because it let me name the road looping over the south east corner of the map. Both Holland and the unnamed road going around Lover's Lake are logical additions of my own and not present on Hopper's map.
Hopper's Trailer and Cabin (and the lake)
These placements are arbitrary. I thought his trailer and cabin would be in the same general area, but definitely not immediate neighbors. Also, I removed the lake's name because it is geographically impossible for that to be Lake Tippecanoe.
Family Video and the Arcade
I placed these here partially because I needed them to be there for a fan project, and partially because it's far enough away from every kid's house on the map that they'd be asking people for rides to get there…and it makes total sense that Steve and Robin would go to and from work together. Additionally, in my experience indoor malls tend to be surrounded by strip mall extensions.
Benny's Burgers
There's a Branford Way on the map, Benny's is canonically located on "Branford Lane," and I can't find it now but there was also reference to a Branford Street. I find it far more likely that the show writers forgot what type of road Branford was than that there are THREE of them in a small town, so I just put Benny's on the road we have on the map.
This is also one of those places with a 4819 street number so I just placed it in a place close enough to town that people would eat there, but isolated enough that Eleven would feel safe walking up / the basketball team would party there / justifies the amount of wildnerness we see around it in the external shots of the place.
The Wheelers
The Wheelers specifically and particularly live on Maple St near Dearborn and Maple, which is in the northeast of Hawkins. In S4 the four older teens go to the Wheelers after going through the water gate because it's supposedly closer than the police station…which is absolutely, 100%, unequivocally false. I am chalking that up to trivia error and moving on because there's literally nothing else I can do about it.
Boane Hill Cemetery
In Dear Billy, Max asks if the walkie will reach Pennhurst if they "go to east Hawkins." However, they were at the Wheelers and that's already just about as far into east Hawkins as you can get. Therefore, I'm chalking her statement up to forgetfulness (or carelessness) because their actions and the plot line up. It's just the one word that doesn't.
I chose this specific location for the cemetery because "Lincoln Park" (the label on Hopper's map) is a sloppy holdover from the Marion map they based Hawkins on. Since it's a nice sized square, already green, and near where the Hargroves lived, I decided to replace the Marion location with a Hawkins one.
Forest Hill Trailer Park, the Creel House, and Fred's gate
On Hopper's map there's a "trailer park" in the southwest, and a "Forest Hills Park" in the north east. When first drew this map, I assumed the "trailer park" on the map was probably the one Eddie and Max lived in even if that meant the name made no sense, and based the locations of the Creel House and Fred's gate on that information, leading me to this map:
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The shape and map accuracy please me. However, the more I looked at it, the more issues I had.
It's weird that the creepy Creel House would be so near the Wheelers and Sinclairs, yet never mentioned before. I'm also vaguely recalling that the Creel House was implied or even stated to be south of Hawkins/near Lover's Lake, but I can't find the reference (and don't have the patience/time to rewatch S4 to find it because Google is singularly unhelpful). More importantly, Fred would have had to walk through downtown (or walk all the way AROUND town) to get to the approximate area he would have had to die in to get that X.
However…if we move the Creel House south and the trailer park north, then Fred's walk makes far more sense and we DO get a neat X. It also makes more sense for the Party to be there when the Upside Down crew get to Eddie's trailer.
Locations I didn't place because I didn't have enough info:
The grocery store Eleven stole from / Scoops Troop broke into to get supplies. My guess is it's somewhere along the road directly beneath the arcade + video label because that's within easy distance of Benny's And Starcourt.
Pennhurst. Apparently there's contradictory info IN the show about whether it's located in or outside of Hawkins. Given it's mostly irrelevant, I left it off entirely.
Hawkins Post. I'm assuming this is in the downtown area, but don't have specific street names to place it.
Fairgrounds. Mega shrug. Maybe the green area in the north east of Hawkins?
Minor characters' homes and various farms. Again…shrug.
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two subtle things that always makes me emo about castle byers:
firstly, the sign “all friends welcome”
and secondly the sword just beside the entrance, almost protecting, guarding the castle byers
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i wonder who left there the sword, who it belongs to, maybe maybe..
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so i was seeing more parallels of ST and lotr, and was rewatching the hobbit for a bit today (just bc im dreading the new show, and missing middle earth),
and when gandalf was speaking about Radagast it made me think Will and some possible parallels:
(long post ahead - sorry i didnt want to put it behind read more)
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the mirkwood in the hobbit is part of middle earth that was once called greenwood, but once sauron and evil forces made their home there it became full of danger and evil creatures
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it makes me wonder if in ST the area where WIll has the castle byers, if they would call it Greenwood after defeating Vecna, and once they rebuilt the castle byers?  (cough.. green)
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the woods grew poisoned, from an abandoned fortress where a necromancer/dark wizard appeared again.
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and once again going to my theories based on dustin’s shirt
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(sorry, i love putting together scenes from across the series. you just have to click through them one-by-one and hopefully it will give you some conclusion i had in mind ♥)
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wait okay. . . eyeliner boy is wearing a shirt with "HELL" written on it. Looking past the obvious fact that that's super badass of him & I would like to date him now, but that feels like a pretty damn obvious parallel to hellfire club and therefore Mike. I know I reblogged a post several days ago (or at least saw it) about background characters who dress similarly to central characters, and like, this guy is clearly one of them. I don't think there's enough romantic context here to call this any kind of byler proof, but still. . . interesting.
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i want will do date the guy who held the door open for him. why you ignoring the swag dude who is obviously in love you because he held the door for you. like bro his eyeliner on point he’s adorable date him
i mean mike could never (yes he could mike put on eyeliner and stop shopping at the gap)
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A convo with @bylermyheart & @willbylersheart got me thinking about how “show, not tell” ships are my kryptonite, and maybe I’m rehashing something that has already been stated by somebody else already, but: I definitely think that The Duffers agree with me.
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Lumax never had a true get together or “I love you” moment, we saw their relationship and love for one another through their actions, and have never had reason to doubt their love, even during their time broken up in season 4.
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Same for Jancy- sure, their get together was a bit more obvious with the whole hookup @ Murray’s, but we still never had to hear them say that they were getting together or that they loved one another. We see it in the way that they are together, as well as the fact that all of their drama stems from them not wanting to hold the other back from their dreams.
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Jopper is the same! Lots of dialogue about their missed date at Enzo’s, of course, but we never had to be told that they were interested in one another. The audience could see it build over the course of four seasons, with barely any spoken dialogue about them having feelings for one another; their love was shown through acts of devotion, through belief and hope. It was obvious to anyone with eyes that they love one another, and nobody was surprised by the inevitable kiss they shared. I’m sure we all breathed a sigh of relief and said ‘finally’ (or shouted it at our tv screens).
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I can’t possibly forget about Boyce- Bob and Joyce’s love was so pure and beautiful, and I miss it sometimes. It didn’t even feel off putting to me that Joyce had a boyfriend in S2E1, despite there being no mentions of Bob or her looking for romance in S1. Their casual intimacy and the way Bob dropped everything to be there for the Byers family, the way Bob tried his best to connect with Joyce’s children and be there for them, all of it. They showed us the love these two had for one another in the way that they lived, and the way Joyce grieved for Bob after he died.
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Duzie is a tiny bit of an outlier with this, because they are never physically together, so it’s a bit harder to do the show versus tell bit- however, they STILL manage it. Their relationship withstanding distance (and Suzie’s deeply religious and disapproving family), the way she goes against her own morals and also drops everything to help Dustin/Dustin’s friends 3 separate times? Their love is shown to us through the fact that they are still together through all of these odds.
Now, let me check my notes real quick and see if I’ve got everything right for this part:
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Stancy was the couple to have the “tell” issue first. Lots of talk of love, discussion of how they feel about the other another, etc. all of which ended in a breakup. They could have easily just shown us that Nancy either never loved or had fallen out of love with Steve, however they chose to tell us instead. The “telling” was the marker for their relationship being doomed. Any couple worth their weight in this show never had to tell us anything.
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Remember when Dustin had a crush on Max in S2? And we got a LOT of dialogue about Dustin pining for her? Yeah, me too. We were told that Dustin liked Max, and yet we were shown that Lucas and Max liked one another- All of which led to Lumax.
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We got a LOT of talk about Steve liking Robin in S3. Between Dustin grilling Steve for details and Steve actually outright confessing that he likes her, there was a lot of “telling” going on. And, as we know, Robin did not like Steve back and was in fact a lesbian. These two still have an amazing bond and their friendship means everything to me, but once again we see that “telling” us how someone feels in this show does not lead to a couple getting together- it typically leads to something platonic with a capital P.
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So what does it tell us, that Mike and El had the conversation in S1 where Mike tried to tell El how their bond would be different than that of Nancy or Holly? What does it tell us, that Mike told a room full of people that he loved El when she was pushing her powers to the limit? What does it tell us, that their entire S4 narrative [as a relationship] spins around the idea that Mike cannot tell El that he loves her, until he does and it’s once again verbally spoken in a room full of people during a time when her life is in danger?
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What does it show us as viewers, that we’ve never once been explicitly told that Will likes Mike? (And yet, even the GA is starting to see this.)
And finally, what might we assume about Mike’s feelings for Will, when he insists that “we’re friends”? Why tell us that these two are friends—an already weird statement to make towards your ‘friend’ while arguing about your girlfriend—if this is supposed to be the case?
We have arguments about love between people who aren’t in love, we have crushes explicitly put into words in situations where they never pan out- why explicitly tell us in the heat of the moment, in a state of defensiveness, that Mike views them as friends if this meant to be true?
This is what Mike tells us, but what does he show us?
Just something to think about.
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